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 Irbis wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Pop Goes The Monkey makes them in a few varieties as well.

People still recommend that ?

Not only he shown he has law in his behind and is all around terrible person, his stuff (at least things that aren't 1:1 copy/paste knockoffs of GW bits) look like garbage on top of being so expensive even Forge World looks reasonable in comparison

Uh, yeah, I really like his stuff and find it quite good. Not everything he makes is a style I would use myself, but I can’t think of anything he makes that I would call garbage at all.

 Togusa wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
I don't think the 4 chaingun havoc unit will be a thing, but I do think people will want a lot of chainguns. A troops unit of 5 CSMs with a chaingun and combi-bolter seems very viable. I can certainly see these having a place in battalions and maybe even brigades.

So either way you cut it, people will want lots of chainguns. I guess it might be worth building some havocs with autocannons or maybe lascannons.

I don't know why they still bother making CSMs with heavy bolters though. What an absurd choice that would be.

For the love of God.

SOME. OF. US. DON'T. USE. UPGRADES. THE. COMPETITIVE. WAY.

We like things like Meltaguns, Heavy Flamers, Terminators and Heavy Bolters. We put them on units we like. We go play and we have a great time with our friends, without Castellan knights, Ynarri bull sauce and all the other hyper competitive nonsense.

It's okay, the Heavy Bolters on the sprue won't hurt you.

Whilest i agree with the position, i would still have prefered an autocannon, luckily the hb is indeed easily modified into an autocannon.

 Togusa wrote:
It's okay, the Heavy Bolters on the sprue won't hurt you.

They really do, when that sprue space could have been used for better options and making a viable unit wouldn't require spending as much on conversion parts. If GW is going to make options with terrible rules then they should at least refrain from having those options take up valuable sprue space.

(Well, that or sell every kit with enough copies of every option to equip it however you like without resorting to third-party bits sellers, but we know that's never going to happen.)

I’m not a competitive player anymore either and I just make units that I enjoy.

That being said, I always want the game to be designed with competitiveness in mind to keep things balanced and all options useful.

Would it kill GW to make something like heavy bolters assault 3 or 4. Or give them +1 to hit <infantry>, or extra hits on 6’s against <infantry> or something? Give them a niche.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
It's okay, the Heavy Bolters on the sprue won't hurt you.

They really do, when that sprue space could have been used for better options and making a viable unit wouldn't require spending as much on conversion parts. If GW is going to make options with terrible rules then they should at least refrain from having those options take up valuable sprue space.

(Well, that or sell every kit with enough copies of every option to equip it however you like without resorting to third-party bits sellers, but we know that's never going to happen.)

This is the other half of the coin really, when the base weapons are not even available in high enough numbers to field the full box with the exact same weapon, like the bolters in the new csm box.


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 Brutus_Apex wrote:
I’m not a competitive player anymore either and I just make units that I enjoy.

That being said, I always want the game to be designed with competitiveness in mind to keep things balanced and all options useful.

Would it kill GW to make something like heavy bolters assault 3 or 4. Or give them +1 to hit <infantry>, or extra hits on 6’s against <infantry> or something? Give them a niche.

Have you heared about the Lord and saviour rotor Gun?

What you can't spare a kidney?
Too bad lad.

 Togusa wrote:
For the love of God.

SOME. OF. US. DON'T. USE. UPGRADES. THE. COMPETITIVE. WAY.

We like things like Meltaguns, Heavy Flamers, Terminators and Heavy Bolters. We put them on units we like. We go play and we have a great time with our friends, without Castellan knights, Ynarri bull sauce and all the other hyper competitive nonsense.

It's okay, the Heavy Bolters on the sprue won't hurt you.

Good for you. The context of this thread is how to play the CSM as optimally as possible though, ergo no one is ever going to talk to you like we're discussing fluffy beerhammer.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
For the love of God.

SOME. OF. US. DON'T. USE. UPGRADES. THE. COMPETITIVE. WAY.

We like things like Meltaguns, Heavy Flamers, Terminators and Heavy Bolters. We put them on units we like. We go play and we have a great time with our friends, without Castellan knights, Ynarri bull sauce and all the other hyper competitive nonsense.

It's okay, the Heavy Bolters on the sprue won't hurt you.

Good for you. The context of this thread is how to play the CSM as optimally as possible though, ergo no one is ever going to talk to you like we're discussing fluffy beerhammer.

Actually this is the news thread, go for the tactics subforum instead for such discussions.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
For the love of God.

SOME. OF. US. DON'T. USE. UPGRADES. THE. COMPETITIVE. WAY.

We like things like Meltaguns, Heavy Flamers, Terminators and Heavy Bolters. We put them on units we like. We go play and we have a great time with our friends, without Castellan knights, Ynarri bull sauce and all the other hyper competitive nonsense.

It's okay, the Heavy Bolters on the sprue won't hurt you.

Good for you. The context of this thread is how to play the CSM as optimally as possible though, ergo no one is ever going to talk to you like we're discussing fluffy beerhammer.

Is it really though? I often don't comment on 'playability' because I also play for fun. I think that's why a lot of us who play for fun don't post because of comments like this. The whole DBTG syndrome is very tiring so we just don't bother & just wait for the posts with the pretty pictures. To say 'the context of this thread' is whatever is wrong. This is for everyone who's interested in ALL aspects of the hobby.

One very distinctive chainaxe...

Perhaps when they get round to Khorne Terminators they'll have chainaxes.

Looks like a solid update apart from that. Good selection of Helmets etc.

Very surprised that Havocs are on 40mm and look decently larger than regular CSM.

 Gael Knight wrote:
One very distinctive chainaxe...

Perhaps when they get round to Khorne Terminators they'll have chainaxes.

Looks like a solid update apart from that. Good selection of Helmets etc.

Very surprised that Havocs are on 40mm and look decently larger than regular CSM.

GW seems to be moving in that direction, specialsit troops get 40 mm bases

 Gael Knight wrote:
One very distinctive chainaxe...

Perhaps when they get round to Khorne Terminators they'll have chainaxes.

Looks like a solid update apart from that. Good selection of Helmets etc.

Very surprised that Havocs are on 40mm and look decently larger than regular CSM.

Most people won't care about mixing power weapons and treating them all as the same type, outside Power Fists and Chainfists of course.

What ever happened to that rumoured Sorcerer that we were supposed to get?

Isn't that "dragon head" power armour backpack still like the only unsolved rumour engine image?

My fear was justified and only 1 pair of LCs? Booooo-urns.

Not sure I'll even get a box to steal their legs for truescale CSM now, simply adding plasticcard to CSM legs works okay. It's a more slender look than Termi legs, but not bad.


Edit: I see a lot of moulded Havoc legs on my regular CSMs in the future if those bad boys are bigger And the gatling screams "add me to a Slaughterpriest for a badass Vulcan Raven conversion'. I like the Havoc as is, too, so...two boxes for two gatlings?! Curse you Kojima.

Only one pair of lightning Claws? That's gak.

Whatever, Warp Talon Lightning Claws look better on terminators anyway.

 Gael Knight wrote:
One very distinctive chainaxe...

Perhaps when they get round to Khorne Terminators they'll have chainaxes.

Looks like a solid update apart from that. Good selection of Helmets etc.

Very surprised that Havocs are on 40mm and look decently larger than regular CSM.

Are the pictures for the sprue now released?

Okay, those Terminators are not that good when it comes to weapon options. Not at all. (seriously, only one chainaxe when it is stock weapon?)

But I think you can fit other Terminator weapons from other sets quite easily.

About Reaper Havocs : with-1 to hit from Dark Apostle, Alpha Legion and Nurgle spell, these guys can very easily get -3 to hit... Nothing bar Dark Reapers or Dakkadakka Dakka Orks will be able to hit hem.

Here's the list

- 1 chain axe
- 1 chainfist
- 1 power sword
- 1 power axe
- 1 power maul
- 2 power fists
- 2 lightning claws
- 1 heavy flamer
- 1 reaper autocannon
- 5 combi-weapons

Sprue pics.

Let's talk about that amazing Chainfist though!

 Gael Knight wrote:
Here's the list

- 1 chain axe
- 1 chainfist
- 1 power sword
- 1 power axe
- 1 power maul
- 2 power fists
- 2 lightning claws
- 1 heavy flamer
- 1 reaper autocannon
- 5 combi-weapons

Sprue pics.

Spoiler:

Only one combi plas aswell.
And here i thought we might get dakka terminators.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Gael Knight wrote:
Here's the list

- 1 chain axe
- 1 chainfist
- 1 power sword
- 1 power axe
- 1 power maul
- 2 power fists
- 2 lightning claws
- 1 heavy flamer
- 1 reaper autocannon
- 5 combi-weapons

Sprue pics.

Spoiler:

Only one combi plas aswell.
And here i thought we might get dakka terminators.

Its a shame that they only have 1 Chain Ax, considering the article has listed them as the Basic Loadout for the Terminators.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Gael Knight wrote:
Here's the list

- 1 chain axe
- 1 chainfist
- 1 power sword
- 1 power axe
- 1 power maul
- 2 power fists
- 2 lightning claws
- 1 heavy flamer
- 1 reaper autocannon
- 5 combi-weapons

Sprue pics.

Spoiler:

Only one combi plas aswell.
And here i thought we might get dakka terminators.

Its a shame that they only have 1 Chain Ax, considering the article has listed them as the Basic Loadout for the Terminators.

Like bolters for csm, yet you can't have the bolter dudes in one box.
Or rotor cannons.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Its a shame that they only have 1 Chain Ax, considering the article has listed them as the Basic Loadout for the Terminators.

It's a complete joke on GW's part really.

LMAO, only 1 combi-plas too

Well, having a fair amount of the old metal and plastic termies I wasn't very interested already. After looking at what you get for the price... yeah, nope thanks.

Is there a third Havoc sprue that I am not seeing? Things just don't seem to add up.

One of them appears to be doubled up

Yeah it looks like the third sprue is missing from the Havoc page. I mean how hard is it to get this stuff right?

One other thing that's annoying about the Terminators is there's no Icon options. Similar to how the CSM went from having 5 differents bits in the kits to an Black legion eye or just a chaos star.

I don't know what this trend towards removing bits from kits is about but I wish they'd stop it.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
One of them appears to be doubled up

That can't be the case - one sprue has chaincannon/heavy bolter/autocannon, while the other has lascannon/missile launcher/special weapons. Can't double up the chaincannon sprue obviously and if you doubled up the latter you'd have 2x las/missile but only 1x autocannon and heavy bolter. There has to be a third sprue we're not seeing

What’s really eating up space on these sprues? Those tusks and trophy racks. Makes me wish they’d all gone to the style of trophy rack Abaddon has just to free up the real estate. 4 or 5 more combi-weapons or combat weapons would make a bunch of people happy.