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It would have made more sense to double up ( if they were, looks like we are *probably* getting three different sprues) on the chain cannon sprue as we are already getting a heavy bolter and lascannon in the standard CSM kit. But just leaving out a whole sprue picture on the website? Poor on their part.

The terminator kit is a joke, they should have made the arm and hand separate and added another sprue with the weapons on.

Instead we got literally 1 of every weapon except the worst one :/

How the feth did GW made Grey Knight Terminators with 10 fething falchions 5 swords , 5 lances, a power staff, banners, etc, etc... and then does this terminator kit so lacking in weapons?

Fething trophy racks! They take so much space!

GK terminators will always remain the best multipart plastic terminator kit in relations quality-parts-price followed by the Deathwing one.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Good for you. The context of this thread is how to play the CSM as optimally as possible though, ergo no one is ever going to talk to you like we're discussing fluffy beerhammer.

This is a release thread. People read it for news, not complaining. In theory.

More I look new Chaos Terminators the more baffled I am.

Compared to Havocs those just look minimum effort update.

AND without a tentacle arm!

0/10 try harder GW

A lot of people (myself included) think they're an "older kit." Something that should have been released awhile ago, but only now is coming out. No primaris heads on the trophy racks, less ornate than the CSM, oddly proportioned limbs, etc. Maybe they were meant to come out alongside Dark Vengeance or something.

So, the original fear when the sprues for the havocs leaked is that there would only be ONE of each weapon. Then GW came out and said that most of the weapons had a double in the kit.

My only hope is that these terminators have a sprue that we haven't seen, because holy crap I dont want to have to get 5 boxes to properly load out a minimal squad with combi bolters and chainaxes.

Edit: never mind. The GW site lists the weapons. Only one of each as is seen on the sprues. Good lord this is upsetting.

GaroRobe wrote:
A lot of people (myself included) think they're an "older kit." Something that should have been released awhile ago, but only now is coming out. No primaris heads on the trophy racks, less ornate than the CSM, oddly proportioned limbs, etc. Maybe they were meant to come out alongside Dark Vengeance or something.

Old GW sculptor would make legs and torso separated bits. And went out of his way to make sure every single gun had a bayonet attached, even if that meant making a third sprue, then he'll add a top mount banner, wepons and tons of accessories on the 3rd sprue. This kit is definitely not made in those time, the sprue design look very similar to the Blightlord Termie.

The more I look at that Terminator kit and with the idea that it might have been sitting for a while before release.I mean it looks like the hands of the powerfist are identical to the Raptors. I wonder if Abaddon and these Terminators were meant to drop before the Primaris but switched things up. The terminator feet are awfully flat, like the old models rather than the new. I'd love an explanation but obviously we'll never get one.

Abaddon feels more "new." Either he and Guilliman were designed at the same time, or he was designed after him, since both models mirror each other. He also has the Primaris marines all over him, so that can help determine his age. I feel like if he was made at the time as the terminators, he'd be posed standing on a dead terminator, or a dreadnought arm like Magnus.

I don't think speculating on the age that a kit was sculpted is going to help, but here's my 2 cents.

The new terminators are the proper 'scale'. That tells me they were designed with the 'scale up' in mind, which puts its design at least around the same time as the Dark Imperium range.

Yeah I really want to like this new terminators and even if they are good and cool in design (And the helmets in the sprue are nice), but as a multipart plastic kit, is very mediocre. (To GW standards, of course, just like Blightlord terminators are much worse than TS Exalted Sorcerrers as a kit, or Blightkigns)

Wow the Terminator kit is just awful. 1 each of all those different weapon types and perhaps the lamest looking Chainfist ever produced (ok, not the lamest - FW still gets that dubious "honour").

Now before nostalgia goggles make us forget everything, the previous Chaos Termy kit's weapon options weren't huge - 1 Chain Fist, 1 Power Maul, 2 Power Axes, 2 power fists, 1 Combi-Melta, 1 Combi-Flamer, 1 Reaper AC, one Heavy Flamer and 2 Combi-Bolters. So the new kit does have a greater variety of weapon options - that much is true - but just one of each seems really poor given what GW can do with their plastics technology.

As Galas so perfectly put it: How the feth did GW made Grey Knight Terminators with 10 fething falchions 5 swords , 5 lances, a power staff, banners, etc, etc... and then does this terminator kit so lacking in weapons?

Well, if we're honest I think we all know the answer to this question...


And then we get to the Havocs, who GW want AUD$90 for (the feth?), and they aren't even showing the third sprue, which has to exist for there to be 2 of each gun (except for Malibu Stacey's new Gatling Gun). It's a pretty kit, to be sure, but damn the cheek on them for charging that much for a Chaos Dev squad. The Community Survey cannot come quick enough...

Yeah, looking at the old sprue here:



The new kit has more heads, more weapons, and greater variety of weapons. The old kit doesn't have lightning claws at all, and no combi-plasma. The new kit also has enough combi-bolters to fit the entire squad with that basic weapon, which is also a big upgrade from the old number.

So, actually, this is a big upgrade. Yes, it may take some effort to make some unique builds, but...

Well, let's be real, Chaos has always gotten the short end of the stick when they compare themselves to anything Imperium based. So, don't compare Chaos to anything Imperium. Instead, let's look at what they gained over the old kit. If you want a greater variety of weapons, hit up e-bay and snag up some old Terminator kits or bits. There are also plenty of forgeworld bits for things like chainaxes and other weapons.

The Havocs, despite having only one chain cannon, are getting not only that new weapon, but also two of every other weapon. This is vastly superior to the old kits that had only one of each weapon in metal. The extra plasma gun, melta gun, and flamer can also be swapped around with the normal Chaos Marines.

Speaking of the normal Chaos Marines, they gained a missile launcher, so if you don't like the havoc missile launcher, use that one. There's some more variety. They also gained a lot more close combat weapon options. Yes, they lost out on the normal bolters that I'm sure will be in high demand now that people are planning on taking min squads of 5, but GW doesn't tailor to min-maxing. Yes, they lost the different icons, but the icon of flame is featured in the Rubric Marines, and the Icon of Despair has two models in the Death Guard range. I'm sure that the Icon of Excess and Icon of Wrath will be forthcoming in those kits, and really, if you paint the normal chaos star that does come in the kit different colors, you can represent it as any of the icons you want. Pink/purple for Excess, red for Wrath, green for Despair, blue or red for Flame.

Let's also remember that when it comes to special weapons, even the updated Tactical Marine box is lacking on many of the options. If you want to throw a lascannon or plasma cannon into a tactical squad, you need to get a box of Devastators. It's the same for Chaos, but Chaos has a lot of different melee weapons you can give to the champion, or use to convert other models in your force.

The great part is that when you combine the options in the Chaos Marines, Havocs, and Raptors sets, you get a massive variety of heads, shoulder pads, special weapons, melee weapons, and pretty much whatever else you could want to customize your army and make each model unique. Then you have the Shadowspear models that, while simpler (not ETB but close), they can be chopped up into all sorts of different things as well.

I sold of 15k points of Chaos Marines 7+ years ago because I didn't like how GW was treating the faction as a whole. Now? I'm thrilled by the new size and detail of the kits that are coming out. The fact that Death Guard and Thousand Sons have their own Codexes and Emperor's Children and World Eaters are likely close, the fact that all 4 Greater Daemons will finally be in plastic, all of the above... from a modeling standpoint, we're in a much better place than we were before.

How dare GW only have one chaincannon in a havoc set? How dare they have only one plasma-gun? I know you guys weren't born yesterday. You're here complaining because you've been complaining about these things for 5-10+ years. Sure, we can expect more out of GW, but they're also a business that's doing what businesses do: keeping to what has made them money before.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:



And then we get to the Havocs, who GW want AUD$90 for (the feth?), and they aren't even showing the third sprue, which has to exist for there to be 2 of each gun (except for Malibu Stacey's new Gatling Gun). It's a pretty kit, to be sure, but damn the cheek on them for charging that much for a Chaos Dev squad. The Community Survey cannot come quick enough...

Havoc has a reasonable price for a 3 sprue GW kit in 2019. Look at Atalan jackal, they don't even get the extra sprue.

Lol I complaint about the Deathshroud Termie pricing in the last survey and that did absolutely nothing, and it were GW bestseller for awhile even. These survey did squat, as long as GW profit still double, they will not stop experimenting with ridiculous pricing.

BlaxicanX wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
For the love of God.

SOME. OF. US. DON'T. USE. UPGRADES. THE. COMPETITIVE. WAY.

We like things like Meltaguns, Heavy Flamers, Terminators and Heavy Bolters. We put them on units we like. We go play and we have a great time with our friends, without Castellan knights, Ynarri bull sauce and all the other hyper competitive nonsense.

It's okay, the Heavy Bolters on the sprue won't hurt you.

Good for you. The context of this thread is how to play the CSM as optimally as possible though, ergo no one is ever going to talk to you like we're discussing fluffy beerhammer.

I always come to the N&R section for heavy supermeta competition advice, thanks for reaffirming why I enjoy this.

The terminator kit should have had another sprue. GK Termies have 3 and they are 9€ cheaper. I know, different times, but still.


Of course at this point is useless to complaint, GW don't do anymore what they did with the basic CSM or OrkBoyz and repackage a kit with an extra sprue.

 Galas wrote:
The terminator kit should have had another sprue. GK Termies have 3 and they are 9€ cheaper. I know, different times, but still.


Of course at this point is useless to complaint, GW don't do anymore what they did with the basic CSM or OrkBoyz and repackage a kit with an extra sprue.

That kit also came out back in 6th edition.

This is how GW does price hikes now. They don't do the old yearly ones, they just steadily up the price of kits as they replace them.

I think we'd be less annoyed about a price hike if the level of bits and options were the same. If the new Chaos Termies were €9 more expensive than the GKs yet also had 5 fists, 5 chainaxes, a smattering of Chainfists/Power Mauls/Power Axes/Power Swords/Lightning Claws, enough parts to give all of them any of the combi-weapons, a Reaper and a Heavy Flamer there wouldn't be much left to complain about.

But it doesn't. It's bare bones and more expensive.

Chopstick wrote:
... reasonable...

It's 5 Marines for $90. There's nothing reasonable about that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
... reasonable...

It's 5 Marines for $90. There's nothing reasonable about that.

I count the sprue, for that reason 5 Aberrant on 1 sprue or 3 tiny knight on 1 sprue, or 10 ghost on a sprue for the price of 2 sprue kit is not a reasonable price. They could be making a single tiny dude packed to the brim with option into a giant sprue and I'd still call that reasonable price if the price is comparable to similar products.

Based on how the new sprue looks, I have to be the negative Nancy...

...when Kill-Team Elites drops, and Terminators become an option... I'll probably be using Tartaros or Cataphractii terminators as a proxy- for one, I do not want a Chaos Army or any more full blown armies.

Secondly, terminator helmets irk me. They look like a cow crossbred with a Dustbuster. The Chaos version just looks like someone added tusks to that already hideous combo.

Sorry to anyone who really loves the general Terminators' aesthetic, but to me it's the least appealing aesthetic of all 40k Infantry.

I always felt that terminator helmets kinda had dog faces. Like if you glue them in tilted to the side kinda looking down they look so cute.

But he people we get two pf's. Aren't you happy about that? No?



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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I always felt that terminator helmets kinda had dog faces. Like if you glue them in tilted to the side kinda looking down they look so cute.

Yep always thought of them more like that.
That or walrusses.

AngryAngel80 wrote:
I always felt that terminator helmets kinda had dog faces.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/29/grim-dark-corners-tactical-dreadnought-armour/

"Indomitus Terminator armour features large rounded pauldrons and an iconic helmet design that resembles the face of a long-extinct species of Terran canid."

So yes, definitely dog faced.

Indomitus pattern helmets are styled after "ancient Terran canids" according to the background. I'd say bulldog or a similiar breed going by the hanging jowls-looking respirator tubes.

I'm still unsure whether I want the new Termis or go for two boxes of Havocs. Like the Blightlords the weapon options are too hodgepodge and the weapons are not that good/cool looking compared to other examples of the same weapon. At least they're not downright UGLY like many Blightlords parts. Actually I had hoped that the new Termis have lots of cool wespons to arm my second squad of Blightlords (got an Infection Cyst for christmas), but now...sigh.

I love the Havocs, though. If the Havocs were more posable I'd only buy Havocs instead of normal CSM for their bigger size and more stylish chest armour with that lovely gorget and trade chainguns for bolters and chainswords


Edit: soundly beaten. That's what you get for hitting "send" on a commute through Germany and it's brilliant cellphone coverage.

That explains why I always loved terminators, that trusty dog face.

So... either they're still not showing a havok sprue or the description is wrong, right?
I mean, it could still have two of each (which it won't, duh), but it'd still be wrong...

 Albertorius wrote:
So... either they're still not showing a havok sprue or the description is wrong, right?
I mean, it could still have two of each (which it won't, duh), but it'd still be wrong...

I can't find it in the image assets that normally can be found(there was a missing frame on the Eidolon of Mathlaan for example that could be found by replacing the sprue # with 7) that way.

The missing sprue, whatever it is, would contain:
-1x Lascannon
-1x Autocannon
-1x Heavy Bolter
-1x Missile Launcher
-2x Havoc bodies

From the sprue shots we have?

The Champion and the Lascannon guy on the bottom are on the same sprue.
Reaper Chaincannon guy is on sprue #2.
Missile and Heavy Bolter chaps are on the missing sprue.

Also an interesting note:

This image? It's "FebWeekFourPreorders".

Ok, hear me out on this one, and it may alleviate some of the hostility toward GW regarding the terminators. Chaos and Imperium are different. Chaos warriors are extremely old and I'd expect each terminator is technically a character onto himself. Therefore, in GW eyes each terminator should be equipped differently to show this individuality. This is probably their thought process which unfortunately doesn't help more competitive players, but then again, people should know GW doesn't primarily cater to that crowd anyway.
So instead of having access to different kit for different jobs like the Imperium, they are more attached to a certain weapon loadout in a personal way.