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Is the any news on the release of the loyalist half releases?

What's all left for chaos?

Executioner, lord discordant and what else?

New Preacher dude and his minions.

Still that CSM backpack from the rumour engine that hasn't surfaced.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Still that CSM backpack from the rumour engine that hasn't surfaced.

Alternative option to make the executioneer into a sorcerer? Replace the axe blade with a staff.

The "Sorcerer" backpack image still hasn't been revealed. Which is weird.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Alternative option to make the executioneer into a sorcerer? Replace the axe blade with a staff.

Options? On a mono-pose clampack character? This isn't a bolter and a slightly more different-er bolter we're talking about here.

Its also possible that the Sorcerer backpack is tied to a upcoming Kill Team, BSF or even Apocalypse release.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
... or even Apocalypse release.

That must be some sorcerer.

Kill Team makes some sense as GW has already done that with GSC, the Chaos Sorcerer is a Commanders option and there is a brand new CSM kit to put together a faction starter with. Plus, Heretic Astartes doesn't have a starter yet.

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

That must be some sorcerer.

Yeah its definitely an outside chance. But I wouldn't want to rule it out. Some kind of super coven unit, or a crewed/ridden demon engine could be possible.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:

That must be some sorcerer.

Yeah its definitely an outside chance. But I wouldn't want to rule it out. Some kind of super coven unit, or a crewed/ridden demon engine could be possible.

I could see Apocalypse coming with some new generic characters released, to freshen up the releases or the like.

But I think the Kill-Team avenue is more reasonable. We know there's the Kill Team "Elites" expansion still to come, but we don't really know what will come with it aside from The Fractal Blades and Toofrippa's Krew sets...both of which just seem to be pricier kits than a KT+Commander option.

I do think the sorcerer will be part of a group. Maybe because I already have the finecast one, I don't see me getting the new one unless it comes with something else I could use. Besides, I think the Master of Possession makes a great count as if I didn't already have one or wanted to run two. The MoP already looks the part far more than my finecast one.

Grey Knight terminators being boring when they have a ton of customization with 10 helmets (in two styles, 5 and 5), bare heads, hands holding demon heads, standards, weapons, etc...

What kind of customization do this new terminators have? Heads that are more homogeneus than the previous one, lack of TENTACLE ARM, and basically 1 of each weapon.

As others have said, NO, this could have been a three sprue kit for the same price as many others shown. GW was the one that decide this kit had to be done in two sprues for absolutely no reason.

How long are they pushing this release out? I thought the rest of the models were going to be on preorder this week.

SeanDrake wrote:
"Begun the Clone War has."

Monopose sculpts in a mass battle game is bad mmmkkk
Massively overpriced Monopse kits one tiny step above easy build kits are even worse.

I might be in the minority, but as a modeler first and a gamer second, I think stuff like the DW:OK monopose kits work fine for most infantry. Being able to swap in weapons, heads, details, and sergeant gear (in other words, stock bodies and arms for most guys) I don't think would notably hurt just about any line but some of the more creative renegade/ork sort of kitbashes. But, only if the idea is you're able to make cheaper line infantry or whatever. Like, I'd be happy if my Neophyte Cultists had all been one of 9 poses and I got to pick heads, auto/shotguns, special weapons and the sergeant's arms, if the sprue efficiency cut 1/3 off the price.

But, the problem is that latter bit: they're still charging more. Just like PVC had me dropping out of WM when they kept charging the same prices as metal, I'm not going to tolerate those high prices and them just making the models cheaper for GW to produce (or, in this case, the slap in the face that is some seemingly intentionally poor options) without seeing a decent price. I'll stick to kitbashing my old marines, when GW could have seen me buying new kits of theirs, if they'd made them well and priced them reasonably.

As a heads up for anyone buying Abaddon and wanting to build him and paint components:

I highly suggest building the cape onto the shoulderpads, as per the instruction, and also attaching it to the trophy rack on Abaddon's back. It's a very snug fit otherwise and can potentially break something after you've been painting!

 Sasori wrote:
How long are they pushing this release out? I thought the rest of the models were going to be on preorder this week.

At least another week. Just terminators and Havoks went up for pre-order this Saturday. I was also expecting more

Conspiracy theorists, GO!

What's there to conspiracy about? CSM squads and terminators got updated, and the cultists got reboxed. Nothing to see, here.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
What's there to conspiracy about? CSM squads and terminators got updated, and the cultists got reboxed. Nothing to see, here.

massive pricedrop, on cultists, ergo we will probably see new cultists?

I mean, About Bloddy time, but yeah, i guess that is what he wants to point out.,


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Alternative option to make the executioneer into a sorcerer? Replace the axe blade with a staff.

Options? On a mono-pose clampack character? This isn't a bolter and a slightly more different-er bolter we're talking about here.

He, shh, come close, Have you heard about the swiss army knife?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/31/coming-soon-the-lord-discordant/

Seriusly? one week only for this?

Without "specialist games" things ?

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
What's there to conspiracy about? CSM squads and terminators got updated, and the cultists got reboxed. Nothing to see, here.

Some of that stuff(the Terminator Lord's Cadre, specifically) hasn't been available for quite some time either.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:
From the voxcast interviews the view I'm getting is that they are interested in promoting customization by mixing parts between different kits, not giving all the options in one kit - but that philosophy might only hold true for the Primaris line.

Given the way GW minis are desgiend these days I think it's clear that this is demonstrably false.

How? With both the Primaris and the new CSM most of the bits are interchangeable between the kits. It just that the rule writers refuse to do anything with this potential. It is not the models which are the problem it is the rules. Have you actually build any of these kits you constantly keep spreading false information about?

The Lord Discordant getting a week all to himself is rather weak, but whatever. I'm not even done assembling the Shadowspear box I got this week and I'm getting a box of CSM, a box of Havocs or two, maybe Abaddon if he's back in stock and just maaaybe the Termis next weekend. A slow week won't kill me I'll skip him for a while, I never bought dinobots and don't really like them. But I *would* have bought a Dark Apostle.

next week I'm guessing will be the two character clampacks and the release'll be done

Crimson wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:
Given the way GW minis are desgiend these days I think it's clear that this is demonstrably false.

How? With both the Primaris and the new CSM most of the bits are interchangeable between the kits. It just that the rule writers refuse to do anything with this potential. It is not the models which are the problem it is the rules. Have you actually build any of these kits you constantly keep spreading false information about?

I'm getting a bit tired of this whole "nEw KiTs ArE lEsS cUsToMiZaBle" That's not entirely correct, in fact- it's only a tiny bit correct.

In the new kits, torsos and leg components are matched together. Unless you were going all out and buying Mark 3 and 4 armor and also buying Forge World kits- there wasn't much 'customization', it was just more parts to glue together- and everything you could add to it for customization (tabard pieces, pouches, holsters, etc.) wasn't much different (though Mark 3 has the best pouches), and most of that kibble can still be attached to the new kits.

Two arms holding a weapon are matched up, giving them a wider variety of poses when paired with the legs. And don't pretend the old kits did any better- it was pretty much the same pose holding a bolter or special weapon, with the same arms. All of the old arms are completely compatible with the new kits. Primaris arms are compatible with the new kits. Original loyalist arms are compatible with the new kits. And vice versa.

If you want to use backpacks from older kits, you just cut the little 'pyramid' nub off the back, and glue the backpack on. Mark 3, Mark 4, Deathwatch, Old CSM backpacks, jump packs- it's all the same. Primaris backpacks also work.

You can glue damned near any head you want onto any of the bodies, beakies might be a little tricky with some torsos but that's about it.

So let's be honest- nothing has been 'taken' from your pool of customization options. Things have been added. You do not have fewer options than before, you now have more options than before. You can take arms, legs, heads, backpacks, weapons, etc. from the new kits and kitbash them with the old kits. The new Havocs are ALSO compatible with the new CSM kit and the older stuff as well.

The sad thing is that with Chaos Space Marines, you have some legitimate complaints to be made about the army... but it seems like people gravitate over and just complain about literally everything. No wonder GW didn't do anything with this faction for nearly 15 years.

Well I actually expect that besides Lord Discord we are getting those clampack characters until further notice.

I am truely happy for all the Chaos fans out there...after all, the Havocs look rather badass...and the Marines look very "flexible" as to which evil deity they worship...

...BUT HOW LONG IS THIS FRIGGINNG CHAOS PRE-ORDER CRAP GOING ON FOOOORRRRRRRRRRRR????

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Its just that its now been FIVE! weeks of Chaos and nothing but Chaos...and its getting to the point where I feel I have to purchase something Chaos to appease the plastic overlords whom reside in Nottingham, just to resume pre-orders that are NOT Chaos-related!

Once again, I am sorry for my out burst - I'm an emotional chap - but I do forsee the next issue of White Dwarf being a glorified argos catalogue dedicated to the forces of the foul fiends from the warp...

Im glad for the long csm release window, hopefully followed by a few weeks of shadespire and sigmar. I dont play either, and my wallet needs the relief from an upcoming fw order, heresygirls kickstarter, and maybe artel w. So bring on another week of csm characters after the lord discordant. Or at least drop the last clampacks alongside some sigmar.

I guess you're right, Wes...sigh.

Still, the new Chaos stuff does look good. At least for those players it must be like Christmas come early...or late? Hmmm.

 Kanluwen wrote:
As a heads up for anyone buying Abaddon and wanting to build him and paint components:

I highly suggest building the cape onto the shoulderpads, as per the instruction, and also attaching it to the trophy rack on Abaddon's back. It's a very snug fit otherwise and can potentially break something after you've been painting!

How does Abby compare to regular Terminators? Would you say he's the right size for a "true scale" Terminator if you use Primaris as "true scale" Marines?