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Mallex is available because now you can give certain units Thunder Hammers. Namely regular Lords, Sorcerers, and Chosen.

It's a nice addition that went mostly unnoticed in the Codex.

He isn’t Easy To Build I don’t think.

Just a monopose sprue like a lot of the stuff lately..

Danny76 wrote:
He isn’t Easy To Build I don’t think.

Just a monopose sprue like a lot of the stuff lately..

The BSF models are push-fit.

drbored wrote:
Mallex is available because now you can give certain units Thunder Hammers. Namely regular Lords, Sorcerers, and Chosen.

It's a nice addition that went mostly unnoticed in the Codex.

Is he available because you can have hammers, or can you have hammers because they wanted to make him available?

 AduroT wrote:

drbored wrote:
Mallex is available because now you can give certain units Thunder Hammers. Namely regular Lords, Sorcerers, and Chosen.

It's a nice addition that went mostly unnoticed in the Codex.

Is he available because you can have hammers, or can you have hammers because they wanted to make him available?

I'm going to go with both. If they didn't want Chaos to have thunder hammers, they would have given him a power maul or something for BSF.

Is the eye of Horus symbol a sort of chaos crux terminus? I hope so otherwise the thunder hammer lord is BL only...but it’s not like it’s the first model that features the eye...the oop metal daemon prince does for example. So no new sorcerer eh? I’m disappointed but only because the current sorcerer is failcast. Pretty good realease, but the terms were a bitter pill to swallow. I know I know, typical chaos player, whinging about new kits...but I really prefer the old one. There was a theory kicking around that the new term kit has been ready to produce for a while now, and is only now being rolled out. I saw a size comparison and they look smaller than the new havoks...anyone else seen it?

 Lotus Corgi wrote:
Is the eye of Horus symbol a sort of chaos crux terminus? I hope so otherwise the thunder hammer lord is BL only...but it’s not like it’s the first model that features the eye...the oop metal daemon prince does for example. So no new sorcerer eh? I’m disappointed but only because the current sorcerer is failcast. Pretty good realease, but the terms were a bitter pill to swallow. I know I know, typical chaos player, whinging about new kits...but I really prefer the old one. There was a theory kicking around that the new term kit has been ready to produce for a while now, and is only now being rolled out. I saw a size comparison and they look smaller than the new havoks...anyone else seen it?

The new havocs are big but the new terminators are bigger.

Remember, there's a regular space marine inside terminator armor, so they can't be *that* much larger than their brothers.

Also, yeah, the eye of horus is pretty readily used across the warp as a symbol of chaos and rebellion against the imperium.

was really disappointed when I realised the chaos space marines kit only has 7 boltpistols and 7 chainswords, now I'm gonna have to go on ebay/bits sites to find the last ~9 of each I need, obviously not as big a deal as the havoc or terminator kits but still...

So, Obliterators are insanely good at 65ppm. 1 deepstriking unit of mine did 21 damage to a rhino today, then activated EK and did 20 wounds to a 5 man plasma squad that was inside it, killing them outright.

My second squad did 17 damage to my opponents suppressor squad, and Oblit squad three wiped a 10 man unit of bolters, freeing up Sgt. Tellion to be charged and killed with chainswords.

My first squad pulled off a 12 inch charge later that turn and obliterated an entire squad of Eliminators. A sorcerer with Warp Time and Presience is also so good with Oblits.

 Alexonian wrote:
was really disappointed when I realised the chaos space marines kit only has 7 boltpistols and 7 chainswords, now I'm gonna have to go on ebay/bits sites to find the last ~9 of each I need, obviously not as big a deal as the havoc or terminator kits but still...

Do you not have any spare bolt pistols and chain swords? I know I've got tons

 Alexonian wrote:
was really disappointed when I realised the chaos space marines kit only has 7 boltpistols and 7 chainswords, now I'm gonna have to go on ebay/bits sites to find the last ~9 of each I need, obviously not as big a deal as the havoc or terminator kits but still...

I bet the two from the BSF game will show up as an easy to build set, they both have bolters.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Alexonian wrote:
was really disappointed when I realised the chaos space marines kit only has 7 boltpistols and 7 chainswords, now I'm gonna have to go on ebay/bits sites to find the last ~9 of each I need, obviously not as big a deal as the havoc or terminator kits but still...

Do you not have any spare bolt pistols and chain swords? I know I've got tons

nope just (re)started chaos, but its okay as I said..Ebay will save me

 Togusa wrote:

 Alexonian wrote:
was really disappointed when I realised the chaos space marines kit only has 7 boltpistols and 7 chainswords, now I'm gonna have to go on ebay/bits sites to find the last ~9 of each I need, obviously not as big a deal as the havoc or terminator kits but still...

I bet the two from the BSF game will show up as an easy to build set, they both have bolters.

Not helping me if they do, want chainsword and boltpistols for my flawless host

 Togusa wrote:
So, Obliterators are insanely good at 65ppm. 1 deepstriking unit of mine did 21 damage to a rhino today, then activated EK and did 20 wounds to a 5 man plasma squad that was inside it, killing them outright.

My second squad did 17 damage to my opponents suppressor squad, and Oblit squad three wiped a 10 man unit of bolters, freeing up Sgt. Tellion to be charged and killed with chainswords.

My first squad pulled off a 12 inch charge later that turn and obliterated an entire squad of Eliminators. A sorcerer with Warp Time and Presience is also so good with Oblits.

Yep...that's why they're not actually 65 points per model. That's just a typo being abused.

Just a word of advise. Actually, bolt pistols and chain swords aren't exactly the best loadout. Most people go bolters. Maybe you want to consider magnetizing them. At a later stage, you might prefer them to be bolter CSM instead of pistol and chain sword.

Eldenfirefly wrote:
Just a word of advise. Actually, bolt pistols and chain swords aren't exactly the best loadout. Most people go bolters. Maybe you want to consider magnetizing them. At a later stage, you might prefer them to be bolter CSM instead of pistol and chain sword.

I'm aware, never been the type to play what's best , and they don't take advantage of flawless host trait with bolters

Ah, I see you have a specific build in mind. In that case, knock yourself out!

Do consider though, if its additional attacks you want. World eaters get a guaranteed +1 attack each model and you don't lose veterans of the long war. And berserkers have so many attacks they will always be far and away the best melee infantry unit that CSM has. And world eaters can take zerkers as troop choices. So, while a 20 man flawless host CSM blob sounds good, a 20 man world eaters CSM blob will do better, and a 20 man zerker blob will do 2x, or 3x better.

 Elbows wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
So, Obliterators are insanely good at 65ppm. 1 deepstriking unit of mine did 21 damage to a rhino today, then activated EK and did 20 wounds to a 5 man plasma squad that was inside it, killing them outright.

My second squad did 17 damage to my opponents suppressor squad, and Oblit squad three wiped a 10 man unit of bolters, freeing up Sgt. Tellion to be charged and killed with chainswords.

My first squad pulled off a 12 inch charge later that turn and obliterated an entire squad of Eliminators. A sorcerer with Warp Time and Presience is also so good with Oblits.

Yep...that's why they're not actually 65 points per model. That's just a typo being abused.

RAW Codex supercedes until FAQ. I wouldn't say it's abuse, it's following RAW.

The Chaos Raptors kit is a great source of bits for Chaos Marines, with extra special weapons, bolt pistols, chainswords, and a bunch of other melee weapons as well, all in the 'new' style. You also get a bunch of variations on heads and shoulder pads.

 Togusa wrote:

 Elbows wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
So, Obliterators are insanely good at 65ppm. 1 deepstriking unit of mine did 21 damage to a rhino today, then activated EK and did 20 wounds to a 5 man plasma squad that was inside it, killing them outright.

My second squad did 17 damage to my opponents suppressor squad, and Oblit squad three wiped a 10 man unit of bolters, freeing up Sgt. Tellion to be charged and killed with chainswords.

My first squad pulled off a 12 inch charge later that turn and obliterated an entire squad of Eliminators. A sorcerer with Warp Time and Presience is also so good with Oblits.

Yep...that's why they're not actually 65 points per model. That's just a typo being abused.

RAW Codex supercedes until FAQ. I wouldn't say it's abuse, it's following RAW.

Nope. It's abusing an obvious typo to gain an advantage in a game of toy soldiers - then relying on the RAW as an excuse. I know loads of people are doing it, just really says a bit about them though.

How can it be 'abusing an obvious typo'?

GW's said nothing on subject and so far all this seems to amount to is 'I think it is unfair therefore I'll attack anyone who's playing by the rules by calling them a cheater!!!'.

This "Obliterators are 65ppm is RAW" disaster is really bringing the worst of so many people

Eldenfirefly wrote:

Do consider though, if its additional attacks you want. World eaters get a guaranteed +1 attack each model and you don't lose veterans of the long war. And berserkers have so many attacks they will always be far and away the best melee infantry unit that CSM has. And world eaters can take zerkers as troop choices. So, while a 20 man flawless host CSM blob sounds good, a 20 man world eaters CSM blob will do better, and a 20 man zerker blob will do 2x, or 3x better.

It's not only about the Flawless Host CSM.

A Flawless Host Daemon Prince can easily have over 20 attacks in close combat.
A World Eater Daemon Prince can only dream of that.

If you think it's not a typo REMOVED - RULE #1 PLEASE Baffles the mind that anyone think it is 65 points.

Also, Reece has said it's obviously 115 not 65. If anyone would know it would be him.

 Virules wrote:
If you think it's not a typo REMOVED - RULE #1 PLEASE Baffles the mind that anyone think it is 65 points.

Also, Reece has said it's obviously 115 not 65. If anyone would know it would be him.

Some dude who doesn't work for GW said it, so it must be so!

Until the people who make the game say otherwise, they'll be 65. They should stay 65 anyways, it's only fair in the face of Castellans.

 Virules wrote:
If you think it's not a typo REMOVED - RULE #1 PLEASE Baffles the mind that anyone think it is 65 points.

Also, Reece has said it's obviously 115 not 65. If anyone would know it would be him.

I tend to agree with the 115 point figure being right but Reece doesn't have much weight. he's a play tester, I've play tested for other games before, sometimes you get a little bit of insight into how the devs work sure, but equal times the final product contains one or more decisions that just leaves you face palming thinking "why did they do this?"

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How can it be 'abusing an obvious typo'?

GW's said nothing on subject and so far all this seems to amount to is 'I think it is unfair therefore I'll attack anyone who's playing by the rules by calling them a cheater!!!'.

GW Facebook team confirmed that it's a typo. We're all just waiting for it to come out in the FAQ.

tbh, I just don't play with an army UNTIL the FAQ comes out, so it's not a big deal to me.

drbored wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
How can it be 'abusing an obvious typo'?

GW's said nothing on subject and so far all this seems to amount to is 'I think it is unfair therefore I'll attack anyone who's playing by the rules by calling them a cheater!!!'.

GW Facebook team confirmed that it's a typo. We're all just waiting for it to come out in the FAQ.

tbh, I just don't play with an army UNTIL the FAQ comes out, so it's not a big deal to me.

Do you have a direct link to that confirmation? I've been asking on community posts for over a week and they never reply, to any of us that ask about this. Any time someone asks about rules, they always just say "watch this space."

Let the Chaos players have their fun.

We all know this is unintended, just like how the matched play rules contradict the data sheet's squad size.

We all know the more they abuse it the more likely it'll be fixed alongside another cultist need to

This reminds me of the issue Tau had with the Cold Star Commander and wording on weapons. It was painfully obvious what was meant, but those who wanted the OP angle fought tooth and nail that they were right.....right up until the FAQ came out and clarified the obvious.

Sotahullu wrote:
Okay, so why the chaos lord from BSF is getting tagged on?

Would you have preferred it have whole week for itself later?-)