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2019/04/29 15:48:54
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
Well confirmation that old fluff > new fluff.
That tyranid part was a bit ridiculous. Tyranids don't make for good one on one enemies, each tyranid invasion is designed to devour an entire planet!
And they didn't even mention the Trial of Sebastian Thor and the Plague of Unbelief, some of the best fluff!!!
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2019/04/29 17:04:14
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
Ugh. Unsurprising that they're focusing on their new Fauxhammer 41,000 plot, but still disappointing as I'd hoped the Codex would at least have value as a sourcebook for the faction.
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2019/04/29 18:45:18
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
Yeah, i'm kinda concerned about the lore and artwork in the new codex. GWs codex art is not what it used to be. Kinda hoping they use colorized versions of the older art more than anything. I don't trust whatever digital artists GW pulled from deviantart to compose anything too worthwhile for SoB. And hopeully the new lore is kept to a minimum, i'd rather have more of their full history.
2019/04/29 19:12:08
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
Thargrim wrote: Yeah, i'm kinda concerned about the lore and artwork in the new codex. GWs codex art is not what it used to be. Kinda hoping they use colorized versions of the older art more than anything. I don't trust whatever digital artists GW pulled from deviantart to compose anything too worthwhile for SoB. And hopeully the new lore is kept to a minimum, i'd rather have more of their full history.
The worst part of GW new art direction is not the talent of the artists but the "THOU MUST DRAW THE MINIATURE".
In the first months of AoS, ok, there was a ton of pretty crap art, and unlinke the old art that was less than stellar, it lacked any kind of charm exactly because they where just bad drawings of miniatures, like the dreaded Stormcast in Dracoths vs Stormfiends.
But you can't say artists like the one that has been doing the art of a couple of warhammer recent box sets
Or my favourite of 40k new artists, Igor Sid
https://www.artstation.com/sidwill Just look at some of his non GW work, is more warhammer than many proper warhammer pieces because he has that freedom.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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2019/04/30 15:46:56
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
Thargrim wrote: Kinda hoping they use colorized versions of the older art more than anything.
I would feel this is incredibly lazy tbh. I'd prefer new art, even if it's called "bad" by some, it at least won't be worse than a Blanch piece.
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2019/04/30 16:14:02
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
Thargrim wrote: Yeah, i'm kinda concerned about the lore and artwork in the new codex. GWs codex art is not what it used to be. Kinda hoping they use colorized versions of the older art more than anything. I don't trust whatever digital artists GW pulled from deviantart to compose anything too worthwhile for SoB. And hopeully the new lore is kept to a minimum, i'd rather have more of their full history.
The worst part of GW new art direction is not the talent of the artists but the "THOU MUST DRAW THE MINIATURE".
Like the Godbeast miniatures, or that model of Slaanesh that's coming out?
It's been like that for thirty years, though. And if they did draw what they wanted, this forum would just be full of people moaning that they can't get a miniature of this, that or the other.
2019/04/30 19:03:12
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
Thargrim wrote: Kinda hoping they use colorized versions of the older art more than anything.
I would feel this is incredibly lazy tbh. I'd prefer new art, even if it's called "bad" by some, it at least won't be worse than a Blanch piece.
A genuinely hilarious comment, given that one of the big reasons a lot of people will have gotten into Sisters in the first place was that stunning 2nd Ed codex cover by Blanche.
I'll take the sketchiest, lowest-effort concept pieces with actual character by Blanche over the bland "wait, why am I looking at videogame promotional art?" feel a lot of the modern stuff has. Same goes for Miller, Kopinsky, England et al - they all had style, they were all distinctive, they all had their own mad windows into the world, these days a lot of the art is technically proficient but...constrained, a bit soulless.
Thargrim wrote: Yeah, i'm kinda concerned about the lore and artwork in the new codex. GWs codex art is not what it used to be. Kinda hoping they use colorized versions of the older art more than anything. I don't trust whatever digital artists GW pulled from deviantart to compose anything too worthwhile for SoB. And hopeully the new lore is kept to a minimum, i'd rather have more of their full history.
The worst part of GW new art direction is not the talent of the artists but the "THOU MUST DRAW THE MINIATURE".
Like the Godbeast miniatures, or that model of Slaanesh that's coming out?
It's been like that for thirty years, though. And if they did draw what they wanted, this forum would just be full of people moaning that they can't get a miniature of this, that or the other.
People keep asserting this guff, but it's exactly that and you surely must know it. I literally can't recall a single instance of anyone, in a twenty year period, complaining that they couldn't buy the exact things depicted in the art. I can't even recall anyone expressing a sentiment vaguely along those lines, except more recently as a hypothetical from people defending GW's modern approach to art.
And you know fine well that there's a huge difference between setting-scale background stuff and what people are actually talking about when they say the art has stopped depicting interesting stuff in the setting that's not sold as miniatures - bringing up "godbeasts" and actual deities is like arguing that even during the worst phase a few years back when they were literally just commissioning poor shlubs off Deviantart and saying "here, paint this model in an action pose" they were still technically depicting things that aren't available as models because there was a hive city visible in the backdrop
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2019/04/30 19:25:37
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
I mainly saw that complaint when the image in the art had rules, but no models (pretty common for IG stuff outside the plastics), or had a model that was ancient and looked awful, where the artwork looked awesome. All niche situations though.
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2019/04/30 20:07:30
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
Thargrim wrote: Kinda hoping they use colorized versions of the older art more than anything.
I would feel this is incredibly lazy tbh. I'd prefer new art, even if it's called "bad" by some, it at least won't be worse than a Blanch piece.
I was thinking more along the lines of this:
colorized old artwork, none of gws current artists that I know of use that almost drawn style. IMO Blanches artwork is the heart and soul 40k was originally built on, like it or not.
2019/04/30 20:31:03
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
Yodhrin wrote: A genuinely hilarious comment, given that one of the big reasons a lot of people will have gotten into Sisters in the first place was that stunning 2nd Ed codex cover by Blanche.
Codex v2 art is best art.
Spoiler:
NOT the cover though, I'm talking about this BEAUTY!!! I just LOVE how that optic/visor is almost bigger than her head, for BIGGER precision!
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2019/04/30 20:31:55
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
Haighus wrote: I mainly saw that complaint when the image in the art had rules, but no models (pretty common for IG stuff outside the plastics), or had a model that was ancient and looked awful, where the artwork looked awesome. All niche situations though.
It's a shift in philosophy really. There used to be a time when the art was intended to be a portal into the world-building aspect of the 40k universe. Games Workshop wanted to show off how vast and weird and totally awesome that universe was—and the models they built were just a small component of that setting. The art was a way to broaden the perspective of the audience.
When you boil it down to the basic argument, it's a similar complaint to the one where people say that GW used to offer their setting as a means to play out your own sagas within the framework of the 40k setting. Named characters used to be relatively rare—let alone Primarchs and similar. In short, GW used to promote much more individual creativity and variation within the hobby. Like when they used to post cool conversions or write tutorial articles about how to turn household scrap into cool terrain. I personally liked those days. It STILL made me want to buy models, but it didn't feel like they were shoving it down my throat as much. BUT, that said, any truly good, well-rendered and executed art is welcome.
2019/04/30 20:59:12
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
pm713 wrote: Apparently I'm the only one who likes the new lore snippets then.
The Tyranid one doesn't really make sense, but I rather like the 'Path of Righteousness' one.
Which Tyranid one? The one where saint Ophelia traded her life for a Tyrant’s to save her charges or the one where a cloister help hold off a splinter fleet invasion?
Because that first one is from the original 2nd edition Codex but the second one… I guess if you do enough damage to your own world that the Nids won’t get any return on their investment they might withdraw but that’s a heck of a lot of promethium…
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2019/04/30 22:08:42
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
The second one, for the reason you mentioned.
Why would tyranids attack a barren rock, and how would Sisters be numerous enough on that rock to stop them? Nothing makes sense here.
The 'Path of Righteousness' could expand into something cool, for now it's ok.
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2019/04/30 22:24:46
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
The second one, for the reason you mentioned.
Why would tyranids attack a barren rock, and how would Sisters be numerous enough on that rock to stop them? Nothing makes sense here.
The 'Path of Righteousness' could expand into something cool, for now it's ok.
Why wouldn't Sisters be numerous enough? Tyranids aren't always in absolutely HUGE fleets they can be smaller (relatively) than normal. Sisters possess an advantage in that they almost all have ranged weaponry against a melee dominated horde and they have literal miracles.
Tyranids attacking them is easily explained with them noticing a force they subsequently underestimate and attack.
It's not the most ridiculous sounding thing with Tyranid lore. Maugan-Ra took out a Hive Fleet alone. Now I'm a huge Phoenix Lord fan but that takes some explaining.
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2019/05/01 00:50:28
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
Is specifically mentioned that it is a cluster of a larger fleet. And yeah fire is the kind of weapon that works best agaisnt Tyranids, something Sisters really love. Fire and Melta.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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2019/05/01 01:17:02
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
Thargrim wrote: IMO Blanches artwork is the heart and soul 40k was originally built on, like it or not.
I keep hoping that one day people will realize that art is subjective, and we aren't required to like the same art style they are. Blanche's style is polarizing to say the least. I consider it to be dated and overly busy. It's okay if you like it, but I just don't.
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2019/05/01 02:09:07
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
Tyranids don't do small forces because Tyranids come to EAT YOUR ENTIRE PLANET or don't come at all. No Imperium faction alone should be able to face a hive fleet. Should only be stoppable at very high cost by multitudes of PDF + IG + potential extra allies.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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2019/05/01 02:29:51
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Tyranids don't do small forces because Tyranids come to EAT YOUR ENTIRE PLANET or don't come at all. No Imperium faction alone should be able to face a hive fleet. Should only be stoppable at very high cost by multitudes of PDF + IG + potential extra allies.
But it is specifically mentioned as not a hive fleet but a smaller splinter of a bigger hive fleet, something that has appeared in the background before. Like, Tyranids don't go to a system in a unique unified army, normally the bulk of the hive fleet attacks a couple of very protected targets and then it spreads like a plague of locust consuming star systems at once.
And thats how many varieties of Tyranids fleets appear because some of those groups that was devouring one planet survive when the bigger one is destroyed and they go their own route, or they just continue consuming , flying away from the bulk of the force.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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2019/05/01 08:41:42
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
I always was intrigued by the massacre at sanctuary 101 way back in the 90’s when it was introduced. Ominous way to introduce the original necrons. I doubt it would make much of a box game though
John D Law wrote: I always was intrigued by the massacre at sanctuary 101 way back in the 90’s when it was introduced. Ominous way to introduce the original necrons. I doubt it would make much of a box game though
You can be sure it would be retconned to include a wider variety of troops that both armies had in 2nd ed. GW even makes fitting plastic terrain these days, which they could throw in if they felt like mixing up their battle boxes.
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2019/05/01 11:03:25
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
Tyranids descending on an utterly lifeless planet to quote the text. Fundamentally something wrong there and having one Sister leftover at the end is just silly.
If a single hiveship can wipe Malan'tai then a whole splinter fleet would have no problems with a couple thousand Sisters.
Thargrim wrote: IMO Blanches artwork is the heart and soul 40k was originally built on, like it or not.
I keep hoping that one day people will realize that art is subjective, and we aren't required to like the same art style they are. Blanche's style is polarizing to say the least. I consider it to be dated and overly busy. It's okay if you like it, but I just don't.
That's fair, but it's still true that his art and style is fundamental to the look of 40k and AoS. He's been providing artwork, art direction and concept art for 30-odd years, after all. You not liking it won't change that.
2019/05/01 12:35:33
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] New Vehicle Renders Pg 16
Tyranid Horde wrote: Tyranids descending on an utterly lifeless planet to quote the text. Fundamentally something wrong there and having one Sister leftover at the end is just silly.
If a single hiveship can wipe Malan'tai then a whole splinter fleet would have no problems with a couple thousand Sisters.
I don't see a problem. Splinter fleet sees a supposedly easy source of biomass. Diverts for a quick and easy meal. Quick and easy meal doesn't go down quick and easy and proceeds to butcher them in a fire and fury reply. Neither side backs down and committed, kill each other off. Sounds typical 40K to me. Plus it's a Sister article, so they're going to get bits to show they can put down other forces.
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