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2019/05/27 18:05:43
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] First painted model and sprue Pg 22
The boob plate or lack thereof on the first one is a bit weird. Almost like someone photoshopped them out. Second one actually has detail and something going on. But why the change? Without the boob plate they look less feminine at a glance, I hope it's just these models and not the whole range or i'm gonna be bummed GW caved in to the social media whiners.
Thargrim wrote: The boob plate or lack thereof on the first one is a bit weird. Almost like someone photoshopped them out. Second one actually has detail and something going on. But why the change? Without the boob plate they look less feminine at a glance, I hope it's just these models and not the whole range or i'm gonna be bummed GW caved in to the social media whiners.
Yeah, I noticed that too.
Didn't the other models have a proper breast plates? The ones on these models are inconsistent.
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2019/05/27 18:25:18
Subject: Re:[Adepta Sororitas] First painted model and sprue Pg 22
I prefer this style. In this scale and heroic proportions is the only way to make semi heroic feminine miniatures that actually look feminine but not too stilized like Malifaux or Raging Heroes ones.
I don't know. All female models done from GW in the past like 1-2 years have been phenomenal. All the previous ones have been horrible, so I don't think they are doing anything wrong. And they don't look off alongside male models either.
While I'll admit that recent GW is a step up with recent sculpts, they look like what men would look like in actual power armor. Not what women would look like in power armor.
Ironically, in the real world, we're ditching the 'looks like a dude' body armor because it's wildly uncomfortable to women with breasts in sizes other than 'none' (yes, folks, the 'no breast plate' argument has been taking a beating in real life). It's cost the US army almost a billion dollars to make the realization that women are not shaped like men. Not as bad as them trying to learn that the left and right foot are not interchangeable, but still.
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Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
Sarouan wrote: Debate about scale is indeed laughable, especially when it's about renders.
But hey, it's more about hating GW's work for the sake of hating GW's work, at this point.
No mate, there is no debate about scale. I merely express the opinion that I hope they’re not all really tall like a lot of GW’s other female lines (such as Sisters of Silence). I never mentioned scale.
... and I don’t hate GW’s work. If anything, the phrase, “massive fan” would be more apt.
Thargrim wrote: The boob plate or lack thereof on the first one is a bit weird. Almost like someone photoshopped them out. Second one actually has detail and something going on. But why the change? Without the boob plate they look less feminine at a glance, I hope it's just these models and not the whole range or i'm gonna be bummed GW caved in to the social media whiners.
If GW went woke will be revealed when they show off the new Repentia squad. Should the girls be covered up, you will have your answer.
Thargrim wrote: The boob plate or lack thereof on the first one is a bit weird. Almost like someone photoshopped them out. Second one actually has detail and something going on. But why the change? Without the boob plate they look less feminine at a glance, I hope it's just these models and not the whole range or i'm gonna be bummed GW caved in to the social media whiners.
If GW went woke will be revealed when they show off the new Repentia squad. Should the girls be covered up, you will have your answer.
They’ve already shown off three different renders that did have the traditional boob plates though.
2019/05/27 19:26:43
Subject: Re:[Adepta Sororitas] Heavy Weapons pg 23
Which is why I maintain it's ridiculous to whine about renders. They're not the final miniatures we'll have in plastic. Yes, they look weird like this - they look like they have no boobs and the hair is barely showing any details. If you look better, you notice the renders look actually a bit too smooth. Pretty sure the final miniatures will feel different, once we'll have all the actual details clearly showing and we don't have the perspective fooling us.
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2019/05/27 19:32:03
Subject: Re:[Adepta Sororitas] Heavy Weapons pg 23
regarding the play vs to collect sales ratio. I actually think it might be correct, in sort of a round about way. I suspect most 40k players buy more minis then they, strictly speaking, need. I know I do, I have an army but I also have a collection. For example. I might only play with 3 5 man marine squads, but I've got considerably more. and thats proably pretty normal.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
The more I look at it I think it might be the cloth underneath the corset. Almost like they took the corset off so they could be more lightweight/wield the larger weapons more easily. The retributors did need a bit more to seperate them from regular battle sisters so this might work out okay. So long as the basic sob have the classic look I can live with it. My favorite part so far is the helmets though.
I fully expect the repentia to be the most drastic redesign.
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Thargrim wrote: The boob plate or lack thereof on the first one is a bit weird. Almost like someone photoshopped them out. Second one actually has detail and something going on. But why the change? Without the boob plate they look less feminine at a glance, I hope it's just these models and not the whole range or i'm gonna be bummed GW caved in to the social media whiners.
Yeah, I noticed that too.
Didn't the other models have a proper breast plates? The ones on these models are inconsistent.
Like was said earlier, pretty sure that's just a robe over her armor. It looks more like cloth than metal/ceramite.
Thargrim wrote: The boob plate or lack thereof on the first one is a bit weird. Almost like someone photoshopped them out. Second one actually has detail and something going on. But why the change? Without the boob plate they look less feminine at a glance, I hope it's just these models and not the whole range or i'm gonna be bummed GW caved in to the social media whiners.
Yeah, I noticed that too.
Didn't the other models have a proper breast plates? The ones on these models are inconsistent.
Like was said earlier, pretty sure that's just a robe over her armor. It looks more like cloth than metal/ceramite.
Probably. It's a little hard to tell as you can't really see any changes in size or depth due to the digital design.
What I have
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~1660
Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
2019/05/27 21:56:24
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] First painted model and sprue Pg 22
Well, I'm confused about why they removed one of the best part of the previous kit, the reinforced arm to allow them to carry the heavy weapons. And the weapons need to be BIGGER . And bigger backpack with extra ammo! And more details and baroque engraving on the guns!!! MOAR!!!§§§
Galas wrote: I think the loincloth is now a tabard they wear over the corset.
It's already revealed, have you missed the AOS Chaos mortal releases? They absolutely 100% went woke and I love it.
Spoiler:
Ripped women in similar pose and clothing as men. And even a black dude. GW is woke and that makes cool models!
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2019/05/27 22:12:45
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] First painted model and sprue Pg 22
Ripped women in similar pose and clothing as men. And even a black dude. GW is woke and that makes cool models!
If you replace 'cool' with 'bad' I'll agree. It took me a few looks to determine that he one of the far left was female, I thought it was just a scrawny dude at first glance. The shamaness is the only really clear one.
Mind you, this could be just so they can make just dudes, and scrawny dudes, again, and just claim the scrawny dudes are women.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
2019/05/27 22:50:19
Subject: [Adepta Sororitas] First painted model and sprue Pg 22
Ripped women in similar pose and clothing as men. And even a black dude. GW is woke and that makes cool models!
If you replace 'cool' with 'bad' I'll agree. It took me a few looks to determine that he one of the far left was female, I thought it was just a scrawny dude at first glance. The shamaness is the only really clear one.
Mind you, this could be just so they can make just dudes, and scrawny dudes, again, and just claim the scrawny dudes are women.
Or maybe it's just you, because I needed a single glance to determine there were two women there.
2019/05/27 23:01:16
Subject: Re:[Adepta Sororitas] Heavy Weapons pg 23
BaronIveagh wrote: It took me a few looks to determine that he one of the far left was female
Don't blame me or GW for your limitations .
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2019/05/27 23:33:29
Subject: Re:[Adepta Sororitas] Heavy Weapons pg 23
Marakarr is one of the best character minis GW has produced in years and has boobplate, so somehow I doubt the Godsworn Hunt minis designs or paint jobs comes from GW being “woke”. They just made nice miniatures that fit the aesthetic standard set by the Darkoath Chieftain and Marakarr, both of which are fantastic.
Expect the dog, that thing is hideous and I hate it.
2019/05/28 02:42:39
Subject: Re:[Adepta Sororitas] Heavy Weapons pg 23
Dr Mathias wrote: When GW showed the weapon concept drawings a couple months back, had they done that (showing concept art on a project in development) before?
Not for a while.
There's a difference between showing concepts and showing incomplete renders, though. A concept is very clearly not the end product, and most people will accept it as a work in progress. When you show off a render, though, regardless of how loudly you shout that it's not finished, people tend to take it as being indicative of the final product. Renders often don't show a mini in the best light to begin with, because of the odd way that many 3D renderers treat perspective, and the sculpt not being complete just exacerbates that.
Showing in-progress renders is certainly not unheard of in the industry, and I'm sure it works for some companies. It just doesn't strike me as something that GW would do. For all of their perplexing decisions over the years, they've generally been fairly consistent in only trying to show their models in the best light.
Thargrim wrote: The boob plate or lack thereof on the first one is a bit weird. Almost like someone photoshopped them out. Second one actually has detail and something going on. But why the change? Without the boob plate they look less feminine at a glance, I hope it's just these models and not the whole range or i'm gonna be bummed GW caved in to the social media whiners.
I've seen way more people complaining about boobplate here on Dakka over the years than I've ever seen on social media. So its not random non-gamers complaining (which is what it seems like people mean when the say "social media whiners"). Theres a large number of dedicated sisters players who have been complaining about boobplate for over a decade.
And honestly, the only people more vocal than them are the people who loudly complain about them.
Robes for the win. Now I only need female hooded heads and Sabbat helmets with hoods.
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