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 Sim-Life wrote:
It makes sense that we won't see amy new units if they exist because they won't want 3rd party manufacturers releasing models for them before they do.

Is that ever a realistic problem?

I like them well enough. My only real complaint is that, based on the apparent depth of the cut-out in the forehead, one would need to paint the inside a bone colour as there shouldn’t be any skin in the way.

And yeah, the shoes look bad.

As for the plugs? I like them. Potential for better execution, of course, but they make sense to me. I have no sense of old fluff being particularly important. I like cool models.

I like the reworked model I saw earlier, with the longer robe and sleeves. I think it looks better than the stock model.

 warboss wrote:
I think folks in the thread who like the sockets and can't stand the idea that someone on the internet disagrees with them need to get over it and accept that the sockets just won't be a universally popular retcon and that they're in for years worth of jokes and snarky comments about them. Alternately, folks like myself who don't like the sockets need to accept that they're here to stay for the forseeable future (at least for a decade until the nuns with guns get their next real codex) and that our only option to avoid them involves a hobby knife, small file, and putty.

I think folks in the thread who don't like the sockets and can't stand the idea that someone on the internet disagrees with them need to get over it and accept that the sockets are going to be a universally popular retcon.

See how this is more accurate when you turn it around?

I read this thread.


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 Sim-Life wrote:
It makes sense that we won't see amy new units if they exist because they won't want 3rd party manufacturers releasing models for them before they do.

If GW show off sisters in terminator armor or something you can be 100% sure companies like Raging Heroes would start the process of making alt sculpts for them asap and likely get them out around the same time.

Raging Heroes already has them.

https://www.ragingheroes.com/collections/soem-sf/products/knights-chalice-tr-s-sf

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 warboss wrote:
I think folks in the thread who like the sockets and can't stand the idea that someone on the internet disagrees with them need to get over it and accept that the sockets just won't be a universally popular retcon and that they're in for years worth of jokes and snarky comments about them. Alternately, folks like myself who don't like the sockets need to accept that they're here to stay for the forseeable future (at least for a decade until the nuns with guns get their next real codex) and that our only option to avoid them involves a hobby knife, small file, and putty.

I think folks in the thread who don't like the sockets and can't stand the idea that someone on the internet disagrees with them need to get over it and accept that the sockets are going to be a universally popular retcon.

See how this is more accurate when you turn it around?

Not at all. It's obvious that they won't be universally popular given the response in thread but I don't think it's worth trying to convince you.

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 Mmmpi wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I think folks in the thread who like the sockets and can't stand the idea that someone on the internet disagrees with them need to get over it and accept that the sockets just won't be a universally popular retcon and that they're in for years worth of jokes and snarky comments about them. Alternately, folks like myself who don't like the sockets need to accept that they're here to stay for the forseeable future (at least for a decade until the nuns with guns get their next real codex) and that our only option to avoid them involves a hobby knife, small file, and putty.

I think folks in the thread who don't like the sockets and can't stand the idea that someone on the internet disagrees with them need to get over it and accept that the sockets are going to be a universally popular retcon.

See how this is more accurate when you turn it around?

Not at all. It's obvious that they won't be universally popular given the response in thread but I don't think it's worth trying to convince you.

yeah except the response in this thread proves nothing because the interact reacts like this to ANY new thing GW puts out. I have yet to see a new addition to 40k since I started playing that was universally accepted by everyone and didn't cause at the very LEAST some old grognards to scream "THIS MAKES NO SENSE BECAUSE OF X! AND MAH IMMERSION!"

 warboss wrote:

 Mmmpi wrote:

 warboss wrote:
I think folks in the thread who like the sockets and can't stand the idea that someone on the internet disagrees with them need to get over it and accept that the sockets just won't be a universally popular retcon and that they're in for years worth of jokes and snarky comments about them. Alternately, folks like myself who don't like the sockets need to accept that they're here to stay for the forseeable future (at least for a decade until the nuns with guns get their next real codex) and that our only option to avoid them involves a hobby knife, small file, and putty.

I think folks in the thread who don't like the sockets and can't stand the idea that someone on the internet disagrees with them need to get over it and accept that the sockets are going to be a universally popular retcon.

See how this is more accurate when you turn it around?

Not at all. It's obvious that they won't be universally popular given the response in thread but I don't think it's worth trying to convince you.

Of course you're not going to try and convince me. You've already decided that people saying that they like the change are 'unable to stand that people disagree', and that they should accept that jerks are going to continue to be jerks.

As I've said, I've read this thread, and the ones trying to shut down disagreement aren't the supporters of the change.

To me, it’s obvious that the interface implants were added because selling sculpts of >basically< nude women was not an option.

The designer dressed them in tank tops, gym shorts, and trainers. And sculpted them in tennis poses. The result would be utterly baffling to anyone who did not already know what they were (supposed to be) looking at. Certainly, this concept totally fails to get across the idea of zealous fanatics bereft of the habit of their militant religious order — i.e., power armor.

So how do you get across the notion that “this is a space nun without her armor” (as opposed to some other kind of troop, who even knows what, nun scouts maybe)? Well, they went with what I’m sure someone who doesn’t know much or care much about Adepta Sororitas but, on the other hand, is very familiar with Adeptus Astartes, thought was very clever: gIvE tHeM pLuGs LiKe SpAcE mArInEs HaVe LoL. And at the last minute, somebody else red penciled this non-sequitur into the bulletin:

The power armour worn by the Adepta Sororitas (and other agents of the Imperium, such as Inquisitors) doesn’t require the full interface of an Adeptus Astartes black carapace.

Ya know, just so nobody gets the idea that Space Marines are any less special.

For all the Johnny Come Latelys, I know you don’t give a feth about this. Naturally. This is trivial, insignificant, of no importance. The change is just an update, an upgrade, a retcon to improve, ahem, PLAUSIBILITY. (Plausibility is a major concern of the Warhammer 40,0000 setting.) It’s not the sort of thing that anyone would care about. Except for actual fans of the Sisters. For ten years, I have read countless posts of people who say they like Sisters except everything about them needs to be changed. So I’m hardly shocked by what I’ve read here today.

But as to the shoes, I like them. I am fine with these Repentia. It’s a pity about the armor interface retcon. It makes me nervous about whether the designers really understand the point of this faction. But I think it’s more likely that this was just a compromise to still have Repentia in an era when naked female bodies are more offensive than star genocide.

I think it's worth pointing out that the Sisters of Battle really are hyper-elite troops. They might be the bottom rung of the hyper elite, but when you've got power armor as your standard issue battle kit, you're past being elite.

Power armor interface plugs are some dead simple cybernetics by 40k standards. This barely counts as augmentation compared to what an organization that can afford power armor for all their soldiers could do. I could very easily see the Ecclesiarcy doing some minor genetic or hormone therapy to give sisters a uniform body frame that's optimal for combat performance and standardized logistics. Space Marine augmentation is incredibly extreme but there's a nearly infinite range of what could be done to make Sisters the perfect human soldiers. None of them would have superhuman abilities, but if you can get 98% of your soldiers operating in the top 1% of human performance, it's worth doing for the people you're stuffing into power armor.

 John Prins wrote:
I think it's worth pointing out that the Sisters of Battle really are hyper-elite troops. They might be the bottom rung of the hyper elite, but when you've got power armor as your standard issue battle kit, you're past being elite.

Power armor interface plugs are some dead simple cybernetics by 40k standards. This barely counts as augmentation compared to what an organization that can afford power armor for all their soldiers could do. I could very easily see the Ecclesiarcy doing some minor genetic or hormone therapy to give sisters a uniform body frame that's optimal for combat performance and standardized logistics. Space Marine augmentation is incredibly extreme but there's a nearly infinite range of what could be done to make Sisters the perfect human soldiers. None of them would have superhuman abilities, but if you can get 98% of your soldiers operating in the top 1% of human performance, it's worth doing for the people you're stuffing into power armor.

But, as Manchu keeps saying, a large part of the appeal of Sisters to people who like Sisters for what they are(as opposed to whatever they imagine they could be if only they were in charge and could change everything about them) is that they're not "superhuman". They're not "enhanced" by anything. They're just singular badasses who's rigorous training, unbending will, and fanatical faith enables them to stand toe-to-toe with horrors that would normally make anyone short of a Marine require their brown trousers, without a Commissar or Inquisitor to threaten them into it first in sight.

What made them special was the idea that they were so inherently exceptional only the type of equipment normally reserved for actual-posthuman war-monsters was worthy of them, and this seemingly tiny little insignificant change flips that on its head and insinuates that they have to be modified & enhanced to be made worthy to bear that equipment.

People can make all the arguments they like about how it's more logical, or that crude cybernetics are entirely in-keeping in the Imperium, or whatever else, but all of that misses the point that Sisters used to be Just That Awesome that they could use power armour out-of-the-box just by being that damned disciplined and highly trained, and now they aren't.

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 Sim-Life wrote:
It makes sense that we won't see amy new units if they exist because they won't want 3rd party manufacturers releasing models for them before they do.

If GW show off sisters in terminator armor or something you can be 100% sure companies like Raging Heroes would start the process of making alt sculpts for them asap and likely get them out around the same time.

Raging Heroes already has them.

https://www.ragingheroes.com/collections/soem-sf/products/knights-chalice-tr-s-sf

I didn't literally mean Sisters in terminator armour. That was just an example.

Fine. How about "if GW previews a covert Sisters unit with sniper rifles that use melta rounds." Does Raging Heroes do them?

 Sim-Life wrote:
Fine. How about "if GW previews a covert Sisters unit with sniper rifles that use melta rounds." Does Raging Heroes do them?

Yes. Iron Empire snipers.

flamingkillamajig wrote:So here's what bugs me about Repentia. In the old games nobody used them supposedly. I say supposedly because at my last 2 game store i've gone to i haven't really seen Sisters players at all and my knowledge comes mostly from online. So are they gonna get a boost to make them not suck? Maybe FnP, Invunerable saves, -1 to be hit or something. I mean the sculpt can be beautiful but if the model sucks in-game then a lot of people won't buy it. At that point you'd have to buy maybe one set and put it on your back shelf to collect dust like my Dark Eldar Hellions.

The 2nd thing i'd like to tackle is where are all the new units? It's been how many years since Sisters got any new models and re-sculpts are nice and all but what about monsters, vehicles, a monstrous vehicle hybrid, more infantry of various types (most likely where they should go imo), flyers, etc. I think Sisters should focus more on the infantry personally but they should get new ones. Anyway even if they don't my hope is for some very cool looking jump jet infantry. Perhaps some scout vehicles or infantry. I dunno there's a lot of places they could and probably should go.

Repentia could serve as a cheaper, cannon fodder/glass cannon unit within the sisters that would be mechanically separate from the more durable and pricey power armoured units. Redone penitent engines and perhaps a range of penitent equipment - arco flagellants and so on.
I think a battletank of sorts beyond the rhino chassis, something like a gothic battlewagon with sinners crucified into it would be awesome. Conceptually like the pulpitek- a weapons platform/pulpit that would roll through a sinful city, sisters kicking down doors, dragging sinners from their homes and nailing them to it, before burning down their homes and fanes.

warboss wrote:I think folks in the thread who like the sockets and can't stand the idea that someone on the internet disagrees with them need to get over it and accept that the sockets just won't be a universally popular retcon and that they're in for years worth of jokes and snarky comments about them. Alternately, folks like myself who don't like the sockets need to accept that they're here to stay for the forseeable future (at least for a decade until the nuns with guns get their next real codex) and that our only option to avoid them involves a hobby knife, small file, and putty.

The models are stated to be WIP on WC. A previous WIP Cawdor model with a hood and nooses caused enough outrage that the model was altered. Best case scenario they redesign these from the ground up, but deleting the plugs and adding robes would be enough at this point.

Kitties for the Necromunda Escher gang had sculpts displayed at some event, but after fairly consistently negative comments were scrapped and redesigned altogether.

I don't think the plugs are unpopular enough to be removed, and they've written new lore to standardize their existence now. Could see the clothes being altered, although any sleeves could cause issues for the modularity. Not counting on it, but it's certainly not an impossibility.

The redesigned Necromunda cats also have yet to be revealed or released. We don't know how far along the production process these sculpts really are, and whether there would be enough time to change them while fitting into whatever the planned release schedule is.

 Manchu wrote:

But as to the shoes, I like them. I am fine with these Repentia. It’s a pity about the armor interface retcon. It makes me nervous about whether the designers really understand the point of this faction. But I think it’s more likely that this was just a compromise to still have Repentia in an era when naked female bodies are more offensive than star genocide.

It is really funny, though, that it is only in some drawings (not all of them, the most famous was already posted on this topic) that the Repentias can be seen almost naked. Like I said, the miniatures were never that far. They wore scraps of their armors with pieces of clothes, certainly still showing skin but still.

In the minds of lots of (male) players, repentias were just half-naked/naked crazed women torturing their bodies themselves. I also had that picture in my head as well, when I think about it.

New repentias certainly go against that mind picture indeed, and feel way more futuristic. The plugs help a lot in that feeling, so I tend to follow Insaniak here - it is not really about showing naked women, but give a more futuristic feeling like they did with Primaris Space Marines.

But yeah, I admit I also thought plugs were part of the black carapace. Guess GW will indeed tell me I was wrong.

Still, as a long time sister player and lover, I can tell the main reason I like them is not because they're not superhuman, but because of their fanatism and being the armed arm of the Faith in the Emperor's God. In the lore, sisters are clearly above mere humans - they come from Schola Progenium, which already isn't something the common of the Imperium has access to and they live their entire life practically away from society, training in both body and mind. They were always a lot similar to Space Marines, except they believe the Emperor is a God. Since they have the best of the best equipment the Ministorum can give them, it's believable they actually also have augmentics to improve their physical abilities. It's still not to the level of Space Marines, because Space Marines bodies are practically being remade whole instead of just having a few upgrades here and there, but they're clearly not part of the "mere humans" in the eyes of a lot of Imperium citizens. In fact, they are often seen in the same kind of holiness some may see the Space Marines.

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flamingkillamajig wrote:So here's what bugs me about Repentia. In the old games nobody used them supposedly. I say supposedly because at my last 2 game store i've gone to i haven't really seen Sisters players at all and my knowledge comes mostly from online. So are they gonna get a boost to make them not suck? Maybe FnP, Invunerable saves, -1 to be hit or something. I mean the sculpt can be beautiful but if the model sucks in-game then a lot of people won't buy it. At that point you'd have to buy maybe one set and put it on your back shelf to collect dust like my Dark Eldar Hellions.

The 2nd thing i'd like to tackle is where are all the new units? It's been how many years since Sisters got any new models and re-sculpts are nice and all but what about monsters, vehicles, a monstrous vehicle hybrid, more infantry of various types (most likely where they should go imo), flyers, etc. I think Sisters should focus more on the infantry personally but they should get new ones. Anyway even if they don't my hope is for some very cool looking jump jet infantry. Perhaps some scout vehicles or infantry. I dunno there's a lot of places they could and probably should go.

Repentia could serve as a cheaper, cannon fodder/glass cannon unit within the sisters that would be mechanically separate from the more durable and pricey power armoured units. Redone penitent engines and perhaps a range of penitent equipment - arco flagellants and so on.
I think a battletank of sorts beyond the rhino chassis, something like a gothic battlewagon with sinners crucified into it would be awesome. Conceptually like the pulpitek- a weapons platform/pulpit that would roll through a sinful city, sisters kicking down doors, dragging sinners from their homes and nailing them to it, before burning down their homes and fanes.

That comic brings back memories.
I sure hope that Codex Sisters of Battle will include Redemptionists/Zealots as a type of ultra-cheap, Chaos Cultist-like cannonfodder troops choice.
SCOURGE AND PURGE!!!

Though sadly, because of the loss of independent characters, no longer can you tuck a priest in the middle of them to cry benedictions.

 =Angel= wrote:
The models are stated to be WIP on WC. A previous WIP Cawdor model with a hood and nooses caused enough outrage that the model was altered. Best case scenario they redesign these from the ground up, but deleting the plugs and adding robes would be enough at this point.

It's almost August and SoB are meant to be released this year. Time is a pretty significant factor here. On top of that, GW's widest communication channel - Facebook - seem to like the modes as they are.

I wouldn't count on anything changing.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
The 2nd thing i'd like to tackle is where are all the new units?

I suspect they are keeping the previews for the 'New' stuff back so as they can drop them shortly before release of the miniatures. Particularity if they are big and flashy, they are going to want the hype to be fresh when people can actually start dropping cash on them.

 Manchu wrote:
For all the Johnny Come Latelys, I know you don’t give a feth about this. Naturally. This is trivial, insignificant, of no importance...

 Yodhrin wrote:
... to people who like Sisters for what they are(as opposed to whatever they imagine they could be if only they were in charge and could change everything about them)...

Keep up the good work boys, those gates ain't gonna keep themselves.

 Sarouan wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

But as to the shoes, I like them. I am fine with these Repentia. It’s a pity about the armor interface retcon. It makes me nervous about whether the designers really understand the point of this faction. But I think it’s more likely that this was just a compromise to still have Repentia in an era when naked female bodies are more offensive than star genocide.

It is really funny, though, that it is only in some drawings (not all of them, the most famous was already posted on this topic) that the Repentias can be seen almost naked. Like I said, the miniatures were never that far. They wore scraps of their armors with pieces of clothes, certainly still showing skin but still.

In the minds of lots of (male) players, repentias were just half-naked/naked crazed women torturing their bodies themselves. I also had that picture in my head as well, when I think about it.

Firstly I'm going to ignore the obvious attempt at making the "you just don't like them cause you're a SEXIST" argument. Trying to defend your argument by using an ism is disingenuous at best and trolling at worst.

Secondly the old models have no baring on what the new models should look like as GW has totally overhauled the look of existing factions before.

Thirdly, while I'll attempt to divorce your argument from your obvious attempts at social politics baiting, maybe thats true of people unfamiliar with the faction or who haven't really given it more than a passing thought. I don't fully understand the nuances of Dark Eldar or Ta'u because I don't have a big interest in the faction and while I can't speak for everyone I liked the screamy naked tortured Repentia because they're the ultimate symbol of what the eccliesarchy stands for and wants from their soldiers.

The Ecclisiarchy is not a nice organisation. It's a power in the Imperium that doesn't REALLY care about the Emperor and uses him as an excuse to exercise their power and gain more. They brainwash and abuse their soldiers into unthinking, mindless slaves to the Imperial Dogma. So what could be better than a soldier that WILLING discards her agency, humanity dignity and life in the name of the Emperor (Eccliesiarchy)? The repentia are sisters who represent the true, corrupt face of the Ecclisiarchy (moreso tham Penitant Engines and Acro Flagellants because they'e unwilling victim) and the screaming, tortured, naked psychopaths driven only by their faith (their loyalty to the Eccliesiarchy) depicted in Kopinski's art convey that perfectly. That's why I have an issue with these models, they don't feel like they symbolize anything beyond "angry women with big chainsaws".

I Think Manchu nails part of my issue here.

Instead of giving them remnants of armor (updated armor save or not- they had some on the old...) and some tattered robes like that one image edit kind of went for, they instead do this retcon, which removes to folks like me an element of the sisters being "Just that good" out of sheer faith and effort, and puts them however closer to space marines and other imperial organizations who do not have the same level of fanatical zeal.

it's not just that to me these Repentia seem do away with the lore i knew of Repentia before (these clothes on this model sure don't represent where she came from nor seem to do with the process i was familiar with), but it also mucks with my minds eye of this organization ive considered my favorite for 8 years now, on a model line that has been waiting for a touch up between 14 and 20 years.

Heckuva spot to drop this tidbit about humans in general in the Imperium. Kinda signed up to sisters for pure undiluted religious-brand zeal. if i wanted plugs, i could have signed up to the mechanicus and gotten all the things they promised me.

incidentally, this "practicality" thing. yes it may make more sense, but considering we are talking about an organization of some of the most fanatically religious in a universe where gods actually listen and also orks... Sense is not something i expected to be on the menu, again, alongside a model who otherwise is running unarmored at a bunch of people with this giant blade.

 Pendix wrote:
those gates ain't gonna keep themselves

A buzzword isn’t an argument.


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 Sarouan wrote:
it is not really about showing naked women, but give a more futuristic feeling like they did with Primaris Space Marines

It may indeed be a mixture of both. Can’t say I’m a fan of this whole Primaris thing, either. At this point, I’m not sure I would even mind female Space Marines. Not because that makes sense in 40k. Just that it’s hard, for me at least, to keep caring about 40k as it becomes less gothic horror and more, uh, well anyway that’s getting off topic. Obviously, YMMV. Suffice it to say, the notion of Sisters requiring body altering surgeries to even properly use their power armor is a drastic move toward Space Marine territory and, here’s the ironic punchline, therefore necessarily away from Sisters of Battle territory.

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 Sim-Life wrote:
It makes sense that we won't see amy new units if they exist because they won't want 3rd party manufacturers releasing models for them before they do.

If GW show off sisters in terminator armor or something you can be 100% sure companies like Raging Heroes would start the process of making alt sculpts for them asap and likely get them out around the same time.

Raging Heroes already has them.

https://www.ragingheroes.com/collections/soem-sf/products/knights-chalice-tr-s-sf

I didn't literally mean Sisters in terminator armour. That was just an example.

Fine. How about "if GW previews a covert Sisters unit with sniper rifles that use melta rounds." Does Raging Heroes do them?

No, but if GW ever previews a unit of Sisters WetTShirtia with twin-linked lasbadonkadonks, Raging heroes has them beat. to. the. punch.

Just out of curiosity I went to see what RH does have to offer for Repentia. And I guess forehead branding, piercings, blindfolds and poses of flinging themselves wildly into battle are obviously un-fluffy non-grimdark tennis players. But a bunch of hooded anime protagonists with fully power armored limbs and a Lara Croft t-shirt striking "lady on a comic book cover trying to convey she is a strong woman but also bewbs" poses is super true to repentia fluff.

Like seriously what? https://www.ragingheroes.com/collections/soem-sf/products/davidians-cgtr-sf Who thinks this is a better representation of Repentia? Ignore the sexualization entirely, just block it out, what about ANY of these figures outfits, posing, or expression shows them to be "fanatical warriors obsessed with redemption through combat?"

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 Sim-Life wrote:
It makes sense that we won't see amy new units if they exist because they won't want 3rd party manufacturers releasing models for them before they do.

If GW show off sisters in terminator armor or something you can be 100% sure companies like Raging Heroes would start the process of making alt sculpts for them asap and likely get them out around the same time.

Raging Heroes already has them.

https://www.ragingheroes.com/collections/soem-sf/products/knights-chalice-tr-s-sf

I didn't literally mean Sisters in terminator armour. That was just an example.

Fine. How about "if GW previews a covert Sisters unit with sniper rifles that use melta rounds." Does Raging Heroes do them?

No, but if GW ever previews a unit of Sisters WetTShirtia with twin-linked lasbadonkadonks, Raging heroes has them beat. to. the. punch.

Just out of curiosity I went to see what RH does have to offer for Repentia. And I guess forehead branding, piercings, blindfolds and poses of flinging themselves wildly into battle are obviously un-fluffy non-grimdark tennis players. But a bunch of hooded anime protagonists with fully power armored limbs and a Lara Croft t-shirt striking "lady on a comic book cover trying to convey she is a strong woman but also bewbs" poses is super true to repentia fluff.

Like seriously what? https://www.ragingheroes.com/collections/soem-sf/products/davidians-cgtr-sf Who thinks this is a better representation of Repentia? Ignore the sexualization entirely, just block it out, what about ANY of these figures outfits, posing, or expression shows them to be "fanatical warriors obsessed with redemption through combat?"

No one. No one buys Raging Heroes models for fluff accurate representations. Everyone knows they are a pin-up model company. No one who has objected to the new sculpts on fluff reasons has said "I'll get the Raging Heroes ones instead, they are more accurate to the fluff."

 Sim-Life wrote:

Like seriously what? https://www.ragingheroes.com/collections/soem-sf/products/davidians-cgtr-sf Who thinks this is a better representation of Repentia? Ignore the sexualization entirely, just block it out, what about ANY of these figures outfits, posing, or expression shows them to be "fanatical warriors obsessed with redemption through combat?"

They have power armoured tech boots but are stripped from the boots up. One arm is armoured, in the fashion of gladiators. That looks like a deliberate choice, rather than being called to battle while you were changing.

I happen to think the poses are quite static, whereas GW's newpentia poses are great. But the RH models are calling out enemies and swinging religious censers like flails and holding flaming torches. They have added to the original concept with those elements and incorporated the scrolls as breast coverings in a standardised fashion. The habit/headdress covers the women in a uniform way that ties them to what the armoured sisters wear (but which would set them apart in an army of GW miniatures)

I should add that I'm not holding RH up as the ideal, even leaving sexualisation aside.I don't know that anyone is claiming that. The poses aren't all great and there's room for nails hammered into flesh and other mortification. But between the new GW renders and Raging Heroes, the superior representation of the Repentia concept is clear, even if they have to hold 'legally distinct' Not!Chainswords








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 Sim-Life wrote:

No one. No one buys Raging Heroes models for fluff accurate representations. Everyone knows they are a pin-up model company. No one who has objected to the new sculpts on fluff reasons has said "I'll get the Raging Heroes ones instead, they are more accurate to the fluff."

QFT

 =Angel= wrote:
But between the new GW renders and Raging Heroes, the superior representation of the Repentia concept is clear

And it's the GW renders.

While the GW models could go a bit further in the direction of, essentially, self-flagellating fallen paladins whom seek redemption through serving the Emperor, the Raging Heroes mini you linked doesn't even try to do that. It's just some lady with armored limbs and a boob strap. Nothing about it says "Sister Repentia" to me.


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 Pendix wrote:
those gates ain't gonna keep themselves

A buzzword isn’t an argument.

Nor is it an effective argument when you effectively (and nearly literally) say "anyone who disagrees with me is a latecomer who doesn't really like Sisters as much as I do."

You're a mod, Manchu, you should be better than this.

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 Pendix wrote:
those gates ain't gonna keep themselves

A buzzword isn’t an argument.

Nor is it an effective argument when you effectively (and nearly literally) say "anyone who disagrees with me is a latecomer who doesn't really like Sisters as much as I do."

How is he wrong though? There's nothing wrong with coming to an army late but those of us who have been playing Sisters for several editions for nearly 20-odd years have a better understanding of what a repentia represents than someone just getting into the faction because plastics are finally arriving. Theres a LOT of fiction and fluff in 40k and you won't pick up the small details from just a casual reading of a codex. Like you won't find the specifics of the repentia ritual unless you've read one of the Black Library novels.

 Sim-Life wrote:
How is he wrong though? There's nothing wrong with coming to an army late but those of us who have been playing Sisters for several editions for nearly 20-odd years have a better understanding of what a repentia represents than someone just getting into the faction because plastics are finally arriving.

Because "those of us who have been playing Sisters for several editions for nearly 20-odd years" don't agree on the topic to begin with. I am part of that group, been a fan of Sisters since 2nd edition and been playing them since the end of 3rd, and I couldn't disagree more with Manchu's arguments. I like the new Repentia a lot, and I love the addition of the cybernetic plugs in certain muscle groups for controlling power armor. It's a good aesthetic and I feel matches the aesthetics of 40k's artwork through the ages, which often had random smatterings of cybernetics tossed around.

Surprise surprise, "veterans" aren't a unified voice.

The models look angry, but what about? At first glance they just look like angry women with big 2h chainswords; I don't see how these models really convey anything beyond that?

Obviously you know the lore, but let's say that you didn't - what part of the model (without prior lore knowledge) would convey that these are fanatic religious zealots, who flagellate themselves, all while desperately charging into battle -all to gain redemption from their sins? Not saying the older models quite did that either, but I was hoping the new models would realize that full concept visually.

Also, I guess I was hoping the wardrobe would be a bit more.. gothic? Their suit is just too generic for me - like it's been sterilized of what conceptually makes a sister look like a sister. I want more flowing cloth, robes, executioner hoods, chains, etc.

For what's it's worth, I do like the muscle definition, but I don't like the ports (I find them to be more distracting than anything). Maybe it's that everything is grey in the render, but the ports remind me of screw joints in plastic toys where the arms and legs would bend. I'm not sure if painting them up would allow me unsee that.

edit: after reading my post, I sound a bit grumpy :p I'm actually not, but I'm unsure how to word it in a different way atm.

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A buzzword isn’t an argument.

Nor is it an effective argument when you effectively (and nearly literally) say "anyone who disagrees with me is a latecomer who doesn't really like Sisters as much as I do."

How is he wrong though? There's nothing wrong with coming to an army late but those of us who have been playing Sisters for several editions for nearly 20-odd years have a better understanding of what a repentia represents than someone just getting into the faction because plastics are finally arriving. Theres a LOT of fiction and fluff in 40k and you won't pick up the small details from just a casual reading of a codex. Like you won't find the specifics of the repentia ritual unless you've read one of the Black Library novels.

He's wrong because he's implying that it's impossible for a "true" Sisters fan to like the change because of some arbitrary definition of "fandom" based on how long they've been playing (which also implies that it's impossible for a long-time Sisters player to like a new change). It's the very definition of gatekeeping.

 Handsomer_Dan wrote:
The models look angry, but what about? At first glance they just look like angry women with big 2h chainswords; I don't see how these models really convey anything beyond that?

Obviously you know the lore, but let's say that you didn't - what part of the model (without prior lore knowledge) would convey that these are fanatic religious zealots, who flagellate themselves, all while desperately charging into battle -all to gain redemption from their sins?

Religious brandings on the forehead. Various kinds of spikes in ceremonial shapes through the skin in the thighs. Religious iconography on the belts and jewelry and their hoods. Scrolls of parchment listing the sins and failures they committed to consign themselves to the role of Repentia.

All of this stuff was listed on the Battle Sister Bulletin page announcing these miniatures, by the way.

By comparison, the only obviously religious thing on the RH render that was linked was the incense censer, which conveys religiosity but does not really convey penitence.