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 BaronIveagh wrote:
Not to complain, it's actually not a bad mini, but... in previous canon, Hospitalars didn't get power armor at all, they got carapace armor, IIRC.


who knows, maybe there more casualties now due to the rift more SOB are dying so the Hospateller's duties bring them closer to the front lines ala SM Apothecary.

But we really dont know how GW's 2019 reinterpretation of SOB will go?

   
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 BaronIveagh wrote:
Not to complain, it's actually not a bad mini, but... in previous canon, Hospitalars didn't get power armor at all, they got carapace armor, IIRC.


Hospitalers as well as Dialogus in 7th (Imperial agents, Celestian squad character upgrades) had a 3+ armor save and Assault/krak grenades (as well as a bolt pistol), heavily implying that they had in fact Power Armor. They only replaced their boltgun for their specialized gear.

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Is there a chance that the Hospitaller will be an HQ choice in the new codex? Sisters need at least one more generic option there. And the mini shown seems a little much for an Elites choice to me.

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 oomiestompa wrote:
Is there a chance that the Hospitaller will be an HQ choice in the new codex? Sisters need at least one more generic option there. And the mini shown seems a little much for an Elites choice to me.


Anything's possible, I guess. I don't expect it, though.

Given how a good number of models GW does these days look, this one probably looks the way it because nobody stopped the designer, not because they wanted to distinguish this model as an HQ choice.

The rules team seems to have a little more standardized method of approaching things, and the Hospitaller is pretty clearly an army support character type, not a leader type.

I don't know what GW has planned for the army, but my guess is we'll get a Canoness as the generic army leader (with a Palatine being the cheap Lieutenant variant), a Confessor for the priestly support leader, and may a Living Saint (or just Celestine) as the big bad melee fighter leader. Maybe a Mistress of Repentance in HQ, since she's no longer a squad leader.

But I don't expect big surprises with Sisters. The army didn't get any love before GW's first community survey, so it's clear no one at GW is there to champion them, and the project is being realized in the shortest amount of time GW large army projects require. That's not an ideal foundation for a creative or good update.

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Idk they seem to be putting a lot of time into the codex, even releasing a pre-codex to see if viable.

As someone who has a pretty big sisters army I am looking forward to it (the new codex) but will i buy the new models? nah. I bought the limited edition superior (or preview plastic one) and saw that they are gunna be a little bigger than my army atm, so just re-based my entire army to 32's. Not gunna bother buying the new models just making sure I have enough of everything atm to make an army no matter what.

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The Hospitaller seems a bit overdone to me. Bit weird having a diorama base on what amounts to a glorified squad sergeant.

Regardless, my main complaint is that if you put doves on a medic model then I am inevitably going to think of the Medic from TF2.





Unrelated, I saw the Canoness model for the first time (I searched for it after it got mentioned earlier). It looks... odd, to say the least. I don't know, to my mind it looks less like a Canoness and more like someone head-swapped a Confessor.

Sorry of I've missed the boat on that discussion but what are the general thoughts on the Canoness?

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 the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"

 Argive wrote:
GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.


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 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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 vipoid wrote:
The Hospitaller seems a bit overdone to me. Bit weird having a diorama base on what amounts to a glorified squad sergeant.

Regardless, my main complaint is that if you put doves on a medic model then I am inevitably going to think of the Medic from TF2.





Unrelated, I saw the Canoness model for the first time (I searched for it after it got mentioned earlier). It looks... odd, to say the least. I don't know, to my mind it looks less like a Canoness and more like someone head-swapped a Confessor.

Sorry of I've missed the boat on that discussion but what are the general thoughts on the Canoness?


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Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Idk they seem to be putting a lot of time into the codex, even releasing a pre-codex to see if viable.

As someone who has a pretty big sisters army I am looking forward to it (the new codex) but will i buy the new models? nah. I bought the limited edition superior (or preview plastic one) and saw that they are gunna be a little bigger than my army atm, so just re-based my entire army to 32's. Not gunna bother buying the new models just making sure I have enough of everything atm to make an army no matter what.


I don't follow the rules side of things since I have no interest in 8th ed and don't play it but it seems the beta codex was no well received and frequently got called worse than the index. If that's putting a lot of time into it then it's no different from GW's way of putting a lot of time into playtesting - but, again, I don't play this sorry edition, so I may have perceived it differently from how it really is.

Yes, the new plastics will stand a head taller than the old metals. GW has unified human size after getting Cadians so wrong way back when. So while the new ones are different from the old ones, at least we can expect that they will look the part next to any other modern model. I'm not going to use my old models next to any new ones I'll buy, but if I did I'd probably rebase the old ones and put a little extra height on the base to bring them closer. Not too much so the taller base remains unintrusive, mind you.

 vipoid wrote:
Sorry of I've missed the boat on that discussion but what are the general thoughts on the Canoness?


Mixed reactions. If I recall the collar and whacking stick were not well loved. I certainly agree with the distaste for the collar and there was a shopped image with it removed that I found much more to my liking. Some other niggles here and there but it certainly did not spark a dozen-page long debate like the Repentia.

I had a mildly negative reaction to the model because of the overall impression it left, but thanks to said shopped picture I can say with some confidence that removing the collar is such a massive improvement that I wouldn't mind having the model after all. Maybe another slight adjust here or there, but the way the silhouette changed once the collar was gone had me convinced.

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 Geifer wrote:
Mixed reactions. If I recall the collar and whacking stick were not well loved. I certainly agree with the distaste for the collar and there was a shopped image with it removed that I found much more to my liking. Some other niggles here and there but it certainly did not spark a dozen-page long debate like the Repentia.

I had a mildly negative reaction to the model because of the overall impression it left, but thanks to said shopped picture I can say with some confidence that removing the collar is such a massive improvement that I wouldn't mind having the model after all. Maybe another slight adjust here or there, but the way the silhouette changed once the collar was gone had me convinced.


Interesting. I don't suppose you have a link to the shopped picture with the collar removed?

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I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.



 the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"

 Argive wrote:
GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.


 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"


Akiasura wrote:
I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.


 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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I have based mine on 2x layers of cork. They are the same height as the new SoB. I have also based all my Deathwatch marines on 2x layers of cork (32mm bases). These make my SoB and DW same height as primaris and new SoB for those that have 10's of thousands of points (2x layers of cork think 1mil or so). Not to fear our armies of the inquisition will still be pertinent...

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 vipoid wrote:
Interesting. I don't suppose you have a link to the shopped picture with the collar removed?


Found the post:

changemod wrote:
A quick mock-up of how she looks with the collar removed. I’d say I prefer it, she’s already plenty ornate without something throwing off the silhouette and making it look like she’d start to struggle with mobility.


The image is attached to that post, so won't show in the quote, but if you follow the link you should see it.

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 Geifer wrote:
 vipoid wrote:
Interesting. I don't suppose you have a link to the shopped picture with the collar removed?


Found the post:

changemod wrote:
A quick mock-up of how she looks with the collar removed. I’d say I prefer it, she’s already plenty ornate without something throwing off the silhouette and making it look like she’d start to struggle with mobility.


The image is attached to that post, so won't show in the quote, but if you follow the link you should see it.


Thanks.

Removing the collar is definitely an improvement, though I still can't say I like the model. For some reason I really don't like the staff/sceptre she's holding. Also not a fan of the dangling ball things. Looks like you could put several Canonesses side by side and make a Newton's Cradle.

 blood reaper wrote:
I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.



 the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"

 Argive wrote:
GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.


 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

"Prepare to open fire at that towering Wraithknight!"
"ARE YOU DAFT MAN!?! YOU MIGHT HIT THE MEN WHO COME UP TO ITS ANKLES!!!"


Akiasura wrote:
I hate to sound like a serial killer, but I'll be reaching for my friend occam's razor yet again.


 insaniak wrote:

You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.

Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
 
   
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 vipoid wrote:
Removing the collar is definitely an improvement, though I still can't say I like the model. For some reason I really don't like the staff/sceptre she's holding. Also not a fan of the dangling ball things. Looks like you could put several Canonesses side by side and make a Newton's Cradle.
She'd make a good prioress IMO. Figurehead leader rather than combat character.
   
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Just sayin', I wouldn't want birds with their mites and bird gak and whatever around when I was being operated on.

(I think the model has okay detail, but the old hospitaller is one of my favorites in the SOB line, so don't really need the giant baroque thing.)


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Funny (but also kinda sad) thing that I learned thanks to my ex (who's an all-round great person and quite a bird enthusiast):
The white "doves" that the church like to release, called release doves, are actually specially bred pigeon that have an unnatural color and no instinct or defense. You don't see them very often anymore, because they tend to get killed, sometimes quickly, and when you release beautiful white birds for symbolism and they get brutally murdered by other birds straight out of the church it kind of ruins the symbolism.
So, yeah, that sounds quite like the Ecclesiarchy would do, since it involved unnatural manipulation and bloody murder, though I kind of expect them to add laser bionics on the doves so they can destroy the competition lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Release_dove


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New SOB fast attack units:

KILLER DOVES!
It's just regular inbred white pigeons, but they have received the same treatment as arcoflagellants.

DESTROYER DOVES!
Inbred white pigeon, but their hearts have been replaced by a bomb which explodes when they die. They will guano on enemy troops until the foe kills them, and then BOOM!

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
DESTROYER DOVES!
Inbred white pigeon, but their hearts have been replaced by a bomb which explodes when they die. They will guano on enemy troops until the foe kills them, and then BOOM!
The USA gov't basically already tried that.


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Yes but the USA gov't doesn't have church organ tanks .
I think it's the kind of thing that works in fiction but not really IRL, both projects you listed failed.

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Pigeon bombs worked in Warhammer Fantasy.

...

...

Half of the time.

Much more entertaining than any stupid birds Sisters get, that's for sure.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I think it's the kind of thing that works in fiction but not really IRL, both projects you listed failed.

They "failed" in the sense they started to run out of targets for them by the middle of 1944. Both would be ready for use in the summer of 1945 and the war was expected to be done by then so the funding was first reduced than pulled. Across the board, too, US navy was left with dozens of half-finished ships that were cut by the same axe...
   
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 Geifer wrote:
Much more entertaining than any stupid birds Sisters get, that's for sure.

Even if our birds end up having LAZERS and MELTA TO THE FACE?

 Irbis wrote:
They "failed" in the sense they started to run out of targets for them by the middle of 1944. Both would be ready for use in the summer of 1945 and the war was expected to be done by then so the funding was first reduced than pulled. Across the board, too, US navy was left with dozens of half-finished ships that were cut by the same axe...

They were never revived while military tech has evolved a lot since then with a bunch of completely new concepts like drones.
Well not true, the pigeon one was revived and then abandoned again.

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
Much more entertaining than any stupid birds Sisters get, that's for sure.

Even if our birds end up having LAZERS and MELTA TO THE FACE?


The Empire pigeons had a D6 table and returned to the owner on a 1. Lazers and melta to the face can't hold a candle to that.

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I admit it's pretty funny.

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1 
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Funny (but also kinda sad) thing that I learned thanks to my ex (who's an all-round great person and quite a bird enthusiast):
The white "doves" that the church like to release, called release doves, are actually specially bred pigeon that have an unnatural color and no instinct or defense. You don't see them very often anymore, because they tend to get killed, sometimes quickly, and when you release beautiful white birds for symbolism and they get brutally murdered by other birds straight out of the church it kind of ruins the symbolism.
So, yeah, that sounds quite like the Ecclesiarchy would do, since it involved unnatural manipulation and bloody murder, though I kind of expect them to add laser bionics on the doves so they can destroy the competition lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Release_dove


This is actually a thing in 40K. In one of the Eisenhorn novels he goes to a Shrineworld to get his sword blessed before confronting the Big Bad, it's basically a desert planet, and the Ecclesiarchy release huge swarms of purpose-bred yellow finch-esque birds every single day(they have some symbolism related to the world's saint), and they fly off and die pretty much immediately in the punishing heat, to the point that the plains around the city are practically carpeted with countless bleached bird bones.

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 oomiestompa wrote:
Is there a chance that the Hospitaller will be an HQ choice in the new codex? Sisters need at least one more generic option there. And the mini shown seems a little much for an Elites choice to me.


Not too much different from the sm apothecary
   
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 Yodhrin wrote:
This is actually a thing in 40K. In one of the Eisenhorn novels he goes to a Shrineworld to get his sword blessed before confronting the Big Bad, it's basically a desert planet, and the Ecclesiarchy release huge swarms of purpose-bred yellow finch-esque birds every single day(they have some symbolism related to the world's saint), and they fly off and die pretty much immediately in the punishing heat, to the point that the plains around the city are practically carpeted with countless bleached bird bones.

That's pretty awesome!

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1 
   
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Should we expect new stuff being revealed at NOVA?

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Probably not, but I'll be hoping for it anyway.

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A box! I'm really happy to see this. And the final product doesn't look as bad in many cases

   
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New Sister of Battle in November 2019!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/29/breaking-news-sisters-psykers-and-skeletonsgw-homepage-post-4/

There will be a Sister of Battle Army Set that include the new Codex and 25 models. Based on the video and announcement, I am expecting the following models all shown the various Bulletins:
  • Cannoness
  • Battle Sisters: 7 including Storm Bolter, Flamer, Imagifer, and Superior with Chainsword
  • Seraphim: 5 including Superior with Plasma Pistol and Power Sword
  • Sisters Repentia: 4
  • Mistress of Repentance
  • Penitent Engine


  • That's 19 models, so we will have to wait and see what the other 6 are.

       
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    You missed the Hospitaller in you list.

    It could be that there is nothing else in the box and it's just what's already been shown but in different quantities.

    We shall see
       
     
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