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 Galas wrote:
Calling the Forgeworld Exorcist better is like calling Archaon a better version of Abaddon. They aren't just even the same idea. it was amazing how FW take one of the craziest models of 40k and made it one of the more boring ones.

Because not all of us smear Gothic architectural details across a shoe box and call it a tank. This is garbage. I didn't like the monopose thing, but even if I DID this thing would have sunk this line for me. It repulses me in ways that not even the Taurox did. It makes me feel as if the Blood Tide fluff were not only warranted, but JUSTIFIED and that every SOB that GW slaughters in fluff is a mercy killing.

ti would take vast amounts of plasticard to make this anything that might reasonably be called a 'tank', and the faster this dies, the better for every 40k player.

I did get a laugh of how it's being memed on twitter though. 'Stupidest 40k Design Ever' is a well warranted title.

I they look fairly good, so I happy. But I would like to see a new tank as well.

Ignispacium wrote:
The new tanks look good, my only displeasure comes from the stained glass window on the Immolator, if it were half the height it'd be pretty much perfect.

Looking at it I think it would be easy enough to cut the bottom half off without losing the fancy parts and reducing the length....said the vicar

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Calling the Forgeworld Exorcist better is like calling Archaon a better version of Abaddon. They aren't just even the same idea. it was amazing how FW take one of the craziest models of 40k and made it one of the more boring ones.

Because not all of us smear Gothic architectural details across a shoe box and call it a tank. This is garbage. I didn't like the monopose thing, but even if I DID this thing would have sunk this line for me. It repulses me in ways that not even the Taurox did. It makes me feel as if the Blood Tide fluff were not only warranted, but JUSTIFIED and that every SOB that GW slaughters in fluff is a mercy killing.

ti would take vast amounts of plasticard to make this anything that might reasonably be called a 'tank', and the faster this dies, the better for every 40k player.

I did get a laugh of how it's being memed on twitter though. 'Stupidest 40k Design Ever' is a well warranted title.

Hyperbole aside, you don't like it fine, you're entitled to a crappy opinion. But the exorcist and immolator scream exactly what the sisters should have. It's over the top exactly as it should be.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

ti would take vast amounts of plasticard to make this anything that might reasonably be called a 'tank', and the faster this dies, the better for every 40k player.

There's always Whirlwinds to substitute.

I'm exhausted at even the prospect of painting either of those tanks, and I paint a lot of Guild Ball models where the belt's belt's have belts.

For people that don't like that much bling I don't think it will be difficult to just dont put those pieces. Like the Primaris Repulsor. It looks dumb with everything on him but if you just don't put the missile boxes and other small things it looks much cleaner for people that prefer that style.

 John Prins wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:

ti would take vast amounts of plasticard to make this anything that might reasonably be called a 'tank', and the faster this dies, the better for every 40k player.

There's always Whirlwinds to substitute.

Exactly. The FW Exorcist was just a alt design for a whirlwind.

I need GW to understand that these are the BEST tanks they've ever made. I can't even put into words how much I love these. I'm converting basically every imperial tank i'll ever get in the future from these.

More of this GW, please. I need Black Templars to look like this.

Always more bling, always more.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Calling the Forgeworld Exorcist better is like calling Archaon a better version of Abaddon. They aren't just even the same idea. it was amazing how FW take one of the craziest models of 40k and made it one of the more boring ones.

Because not all of us smear Gothic architectural details across a shoe box and call it a tank. This is garbage. I didn't like the monopose thing, but even if I DID this thing would have sunk this line for me. It repulses me in ways that not even the Taurox did. It makes me feel as if the Blood Tide fluff were not only warranted, but JUSTIFIED and that every SOB that GW slaughters in fluff is a mercy killing.

ti would take vast amounts of plasticard to make this anything that might reasonably be called a 'tank', and the faster this dies, the better for every 40k player.

I did get a laugh of how it's being memed on twitter though. 'Stupidest 40k Design Ever' is a well warranted title.

A quick search found one meme about the helmet, and one reference to title you referenced, which was your own post on here.

I absolutely love these tanks. The rediculously excessive bling is exactly what I want from a faction that is supposed to make the Catholic Church look restrained.
They also look easy to make plainer if that is what you want. It would be extremely easy to remove the stained glass windshield or cut it to reduce its size. Between this and last week’s cherub preview I think this release is shapaing up very nicely.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Calling the Forgeworld Exorcist better is like calling Archaon a better version of Abaddon. They aren't just even the same idea. it was amazing how FW take one of the craziest models of 40k and made it one of the more boring ones.

Because not all of us smear Gothic architectural details across a shoe box and call it a tank. This is garbage. I didn't like the monopose thing, but even if I DID this thing would have sunk this line for me. It repulses me in ways that not even the Taurox did. It makes me feel as if the Blood Tide fluff were not only warranted, but JUSTIFIED and that every SOB that GW slaughters in fluff is a mercy killing.

ti would take vast amounts of plasticard to make this anything that might reasonably be called a 'tank', and the faster this dies, the better for every 40k player.

I did get a laugh of how it's being memed on twitter though. 'Stupidest 40k Design Ever' is a well warranted title.

You mean to tell me that a vehicle used by an organisation of religious fanatics has a bunch of overblown religious imagery on it, who also happen to be part of an Empire that is known to put cathedrals on their warships and mechs? Say it ain't so!
If you don't want gothic architecture on your vehicles, then perhaps Sisters of Battle aren't for you?

The tanks are the best and most 40k models I've seen in a long time. Absolutely love them.

Even if their rules turn out to be "if you take this, your opponent automatically wins on a rerollable 2+", one of each does belong into every SoB collection.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Calling the Forgeworld Exorcist better is like calling Archaon a better version of Abaddon. They aren't just even the same idea. it was amazing how FW take one of the craziest models of 40k and made it one of the more boring ones.

Because not all of us smear Gothic architectural details across a shoe box and call it a tank.

You know you can just buy Whirlwind or Scorpius if you like atheist, business-like look (which is totally fitting Sisters ) and call it a day, right?

I really don't get the whine here, if you think there is too much X on these you can easily clip that off. It's adding detail that is difficult, not removing it. GW went with full suite as a base, if you want to tone it down, you need all of 5 minutes with file and knife, done. And anyway, it's kind of funny, GW toned down ridiculous caricatures marines became in last decade or so and it's nOt EnOuGh GoThIc, GW kept gothic elements with sisters and now it's ToO mUcH gOtHiC. GW really can't win, eh?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

You mean to tell me that a vehicle used by an organisation of religious fanatics has a bunch of overblown religious imagery on it, who also happen to be part of an Empire that is known to put cathedrals on their warships and mechs? Say it ain't so!
If you don't want gothic architecture on your vehicles, then perhaps Sisters of Battle aren't for you?

Well, other than the screaming urge to show you what groups that are at least most of those things actually do to armor, there's the problem that you're over ornamenting to the degree that heretics might escape purging because the gunner's vision and turret transverse are both blocked. One would hope the cannoness would object to there being SO MUCH ornamentation that the tanks can't move, shoot, or otherwise engage the heretics. 'The Emperor wills it' only covers so much before they take sufficient casualties to make it clear that he does not, in fact, will it.

That and if the power armor takes a hit to it's power supply, that helmet is going to break her neck.



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 Irbis wrote:
GW toned down ridiculous caricatures marines became in last decade or so and it's nOt EnOuGh GoThIc, GW kept gothic elements with sisters and now it's ToO mUcH gOtHiC. GW really can't win, eh?

Actually I'm very much in favor of the non-gothic SM, and find the Too Much Gothic SOB to be exactly that.

Not sure why, but I like the new Exorcist better than the previous one. The new Immolator is going to make my old metal/plastic hybrid ones look...quaint.

The tanks look great. It is just a shame that they didn't use this same chassis for the Rhino as well. Not that it will be hard to build a (quite overpriced) 'command Rhino' with this kit. I might do that.

The amount if bling is pretty great. The only thing that gives me a pause it is the stained glass window. It is a great looking piece in itself, but as others have noted, it is kinda tall for such a compact vehicle. In any case - again, as noted - leaving off extra bling is much easier than adding it.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

Well, other than the screaming urge to show you what groups that are at least most of those things actually do to armor, there's the problem that you're over ornamenting to the degree that heretics might escape purging because the gunner's vision and turret transverse are both blocked. One would hope the cannoness would object to there being SO MUCH ornamentation that the tanks can't move, shoot, or otherwise engage the heretics. 'The Emperor wills it' only covers so much before they take sufficient casualties to make it clear that he does not, in fact, will it.

Tanks so sanctified that they shield your eyes from heresy with additional devotional icons? It is written that a sister's strongest weapon is her faith, and the immolator cannon is, in many ways, really therefore just more of a side-arm to that, so if a compromise must be made...

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

You mean to tell me that a vehicle used by an organisation of religious fanatics has a bunch of overblown religious imagery on it, who also happen to be part of an Empire that is known to put cathedrals on their warships and mechs? Say it ain't so!
If you don't want gothic architecture on your vehicles, then perhaps Sisters of Battle aren't for you?

Well, other than the screaming urge to show you what groups that are at least most of those things actually do to armor, there's the problem that you're over ornamenting to the degree that heretics might escape purging because the gunner's vision and turret transverse are both blocked. One would hope the cannoness would object to there being SO MUCH ornamentation that the tanks can't move, shoot, or otherwise engage the heretics. 'The Emperor wills it' only covers so much before they take sufficient casualties to make it clear that he does not, in fact, will it.

That and if the power armor takes a hit to it's power supply, that helmet is going to break her neck.

Well yeah, its impractical, but isn't that you'd expect fanatics to do? Aren't fanatics all about sacrificing common sense in favor of ideology?
As I said, if you don't want impracticality, then don't play the faction that's composed of religious fanatics who think prayer will block gun fire...though in Sororitas's case it seems to work, so I guess it is practical then?

Also remember that they fight heresy and those consortium with literal daemons, where faith and relics are demonstrably proven to deter, wound, and kill the daemonic.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So much for the Deimos Rhino some people were certain about.

I really like the Exorcist. It's the right kind of "Organ of Death" and really amps up the original design.

The Immolator has issues, the first of which being that the window at the front is far too tall. The other is that shrine on the back. It blocks the turret! Otherwise it looks fantastic.

It was fair speculation based on teasers, there’s no need for 20/20 hindsight snarky pops at others. And it literally is a Deimos Rhino chassis with bolted-on bling, so, ya know, it ain’t a Rhino but is also is.

Umm we saw rhino already and knew it was not deimos. But we also knew deimos vehicles were incoming(hint being gw flat out saying so) and look at that. We got deimos vehicle. In fact after rhino was revealed it was pretty much public secret they did it like this. Question is why though

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Also remember that they fight heresy and those consortium with literal daemons, where faith and relics are demonstrably proven to deter, wound, and kill the daemonic.

The average daemon is t3. Everything wounds and kills the daemonic just fine, regardless of whether its overbuilt or utterly practical.

I can get not liking these new tanks if you favored a more practical sisters set up- not every order had the ornate vehicles.

but I feel like i have to start asking what people mean when they say something is "the most 40k thing." for me, im neutral on these at this point, because im somewhere between ornate and practical.

It's not like i wasn't going to have to trim off parts elsewhere in this selection already. i wonder if i bought one of every box, how much plastic would be unbuilt.

I think the new Exorcist looks nice, much easier to build, not so sure about the Immolator, nothing wrong with the old ones tbf.

To a certain extent, I actually think that the amount of ornamentation on the Sororitas tanks goes against their central theme of faith being a weapon.

The Sisters shouldn't need to cover every available surface with gilding, statuary, and shrines, because their strength is derived from THEIR faith - not from a bunch of statues and relics bolted to their metal bawkses.

The 2nd edition Immolator is a functional, utilitarian, brutal looking vehicle (although still with a bit of ornamentation to distinguish it from an Astartes tank). It looks more like the sort of vehicle that you'd expect a severe order of warrior nuns to use, rather than being a blinged out reliquary with tracks.

Also, why is a vehicle which was only created in M35 (at the earliest - we don't have an exact date for the Fornosian Accord) based on a variant of the Rhino chassis which is considered 'past it's best' (Imperial Armour 2)? The MkIb is no longer even produced (by Astartes forges, at least).
The MkII or MkIII Rhino hulls makes way more sense than the MkI for what is effectively the Sororitas' main tank.
And it isn't as if the Sororitas don't have access to the superior later hull, since the new Rhino is a MkIIc.

New Exorcist isn't doing it for me. I uave 4 of the original ones and I don't think I'll be replacing them. The ImmolatorI'm sure will be fixed by dropping the window down.

Like I get that people think Sisters are supposed to be WOWIE ZOWIE CATHOLISISM TO THE xXxTREME STARTING DWAYNE THE ROCK JOHNSON but the old Exorcist hit that sweet spot of being over the top but not SO over the top that it becomes a Flanderised parody of itself. This new Exorcist saw that line between balanced design and Age Of Sigmar silliness and just rumbled right over it like Horus himself was lying on it. Also the drivers helmet makes her look like a Dark Souls boss.

The Immolator is slightly more excusable but I still prefer the old one. It was a practicle tank but it had design elements that identified it as a religious weapon without screaming it at you and shoving your face in it.

Also the Forge World exorcist was horrible.

Fair points, the newer models do certainly look more extravagant. I don't think they are AoS levels of absurdity, but they do approach it a bit more.
The stained glass on the immolator is probably pushing it a little and should behind the driver. I get what they are going for, it just doesn't look right up front. They should have kept the old turret, and put the stained glass at the back to make it look like a little chapel.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Fair points, the newer models do certainly look more extravagant. I don't think they are AoS levels of absurdity, but they do approach it a bit more.

agreed. Not quite AOS but just enough to remind you how nuts/devout the sororitas are. You never go full AOS tho.

I really like the new versions of both and am looking forward to building/kitbash/convert them.

Its weird, but at this point, I'd say AoS has the more practical and reasonable system and models. This years chaos releases in the two systems certainly favor AoS rather than 40k.
So these overdesigned blocks being 'AoSed' make no sense to me.

I like the Exorcist, but the Immolator... Not a fan of that huge stained glass thing. I prefer the previous Immolator to this new one.

Voss wrote:
Its weird, but at this point, I'd say AoS has the more practical and reasonable system and models. This years chaos releases in the two systems certainly favor AoS rather than 40k.
So these overdesigned blocks being 'AoSed' make no sense to me.

Their new army is skeletons in power armor made of skeletons.

 Sim-Life wrote:

Voss wrote:
Its weird, but at this point, I'd say AoS has the more practical and reasonable system and models. This years chaos releases in the two systems certainly favor AoS rather than 40k.
So these overdesigned blocks being 'AoSed' make no sense to me.

Their new army is skeletons in power armor made of skeletons.

The first army they released were golden space marines with big crossbows called boltstorms and said space marines ride around on dragons and gryphons.
Then they released steampunk dwarfs being lifted around the battlefield with armored balloons. One of them even has an armored top hat and monocle. I mean a literal top hat, not the tall hats that chaos dwarfs had. Because that would have made some sort of sense thematically.