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 insaniak wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:

Didn't the FW Exorcist come out before the GW one? I have vague memories of it showing up in early 3rd edition when the Sisters had various get-you-by lists in the rulebook and White Dwarf.

Sort of. IIRC, the pipe organ metal hybrid was originally a limited release. Then Forgeworld released theirs to fill the gap while there was no 'official' model. And then at some point (5th edition?) the pipe organ was rereleased.

My memory is the Exorcist showed up in one of the Chapter Approved lists with no model or art.

The FW came after, and the pipe organ third.

Very cool tanks,

I see that some of the imperium may still have the sense to avoid the taint of chaos that is at work in the new Imperial grav tech...

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Adeptus, I don’t get what you’re getting at. People who play GW games are only a tiny percentage of GW’s customers. Collectors are where the real money is at, and collectors love variety.

I should know. I used to own metal GK and SoB, but never played a game with them. I haven’t played a GW game since the 5th edition starter (and I’m not sure that one was completed). As the archetypical GW customer, I am/was excited about Sisters in plastic depending on the prices. (I was excited about Eldar Aspects in plastic, but....)

One last thing: stereotypical nerds do not stereotypically buy Sisters for their stereotypically uninterested girlfriends. The survey says: Tyranids. We were looking for “they stereotypically buy Tyranids”. Thanks for playing, though.

You can't be serious. This is hilariously wrong. People who play at least one game are 90% of their customers(and 99% of their sales). Of the last ten percent at least 5-7 are people who used to play but stopped or people who buy GW for other games.

All you need to do to see how massive the gaming part of the hobby is is to look at the progression of AoS. AoS releases an unplayable game with great minis and you couldn't GIVE them away. AoS fixes the game with the GHB and all of a sudden it's a massive seller that's been creeping up on 40k for years.

Or even 8th edition. 7th was terrible and losing a lot of player at the end so their quarterly's looked iffy. 8th comes out and is quite a lot better and GW becomes one of the most successful brexit era company in the UK in terms of profit growth.

People who buy only to paint or collect are a tiny fraction of the consumer base. The vast majority play at least one game.

Even I played one game, a long time ago. That's not the cut off between a hobbyist and a serious gamer. Don't confuse collectors who play the occasional game as a beard for their true hobby for gamers.

As for AOS, you could indeed give them away. I should know. I have a box of given away Stormcast Eternals.

But you are probably thinking about how you only know of gamers because everyone's GW fan you see is a gamer. I tend to know other hobbyists for similar reasons. However, go to a bring-and-buy event and you'll se huge numbers of people shifting old collections NOS or NIB. Last event, there was a guy with an entire First company of terminators NOS, selling them for $25 a box. He didn't get a collection like that because he was carefully tailoring lists and chasing the meta. One guy like him outspends a dozen tournament players. There are lots of guys like him who would buy twenty boxes of Sisters to build a convent, with gaming as an afterthought. When that kind of guy brings his sisters to the gaming table, it's not to game but to justify his habit (no pun intended).

I think that there may be a different problem at root.

The trouble is not the game playing, but the fact that the rules in way structure how we understand the models that we collect.
Who and what and why is this a model of and what can he or she or it do, his her its weaknesses and so on...
all of this is from rules and stories.
Where these confound expectations, or like recent stuff just seem to suffer from a 'more faster sell 'em while the Ip is hot" sort of profiteering business management,
well, it feels wrong...
So, people that do not play the game ( as I - just not loving the lack of immersion in the new 40k to take the time..)
might be wating for a better set of rules to make the time to play the game.

I wish that i could say yeah, this is how I want to spend my time.
Instead, I suppose that I end up spending some fraction of it typing these words...
small fraction..

One person has a bad hot take and everyone else spends way too much time giving them attention.

I think the tanks embody everything that Sisters of Battle and 40k is. The Exorcist is THE MOST 40K tank they've made.

Giant shrine pipe organs playing holy music while launching ballistic missiles and surrounded by skull-faced baby-robots and piloted by a person with a church for a helmet. It's incredible, it's perfect. One person with a bad opinion and/or mood isn't going to ruin that for me.

 Crimson wrote:
The tanks look great. It is just a shame that they didn't use this same chassis for the Rhino as well. Not that it will be hard to build a (quite overpriced) 'command Rhino' with this kit. I might do that..

Looking at the "basic" Rhino https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/16/battle-sister-bulletin-part-16-your-first-painted-vehiclesgw-homepage-post-3/ I think the two kits look to be fairly compatible. Swapping the front plate and roof should get you a fancy Deimos Pattern Rhino and a(slightly less fancy) Mars pattern Exorcist/Immolator.

I think I'm going to have to collect immolator windows to build a unit of battle sisters with stained glass siege shields...

 insaniak wrote:
I think I'm going to have to collect immolator windows to build a unit of battle sisters with stained glass siege shields...

that would be dope

 insaniak wrote:
I think I'm going to have to collect immolator windows to build a unit of battle sisters with stained glass siege shields...

...that reminds me. they didn't say anything about celestians yet, did they? will they be getting such an option? i hope so...

I don't know if anyone pointed this out yet, but the Helmet of the Exorcist's driver resembles a design in Blanche's artwork



And I'm very happy that they did.

Now I like the head more. I couldn't get behind it at first. Cool though it had some Blanchistu basis.

Yup. It's absolutely ridiculous, and I love it.

..well, that KIND of saves that head for me, but i still don't like it. at least theres a basis for that silliness prior.

I just figured she had periscopes attached to the eye sockets on the helmet.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I just figured she had periscopes attached to the eye sockets on the helmet.

Or her eyes are linked to the cherubs. She sees all that the lil babbies see

I'm gonna hold out on some of that ridiculous church kibble being optional on the tanks. It's kind of stupid, IMHO- not that I can't use that stuff for something else like a cool base. But hopefully enough people don't want that stained glass silliness and I can use it for windows in a chapel.

 Segersgia wrote:
I don't know if anyone pointed this out yet, but the Helmet of the Exorcist's driver resembles a design in Blanche's artwork.

Good find. Interesting!

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I'm gonna hold out on some of that ridiculous church kibble being optional on the tanks. It's kind of stupid, IMHO- not that I can't use that stuff for something else like a cool base. But hopefully enough people don't want that stained glass silliness and I can use it for windows in a chapel.

I do hope there's some variation. I mean, I know I want to use the Immolator's rear shrine as a piece of terrain somewhere else.

Am I alone in thinking that's we've seen all the units already? Though I am loving all the new models and my wallet weeps tears of blood. I am thinking we are getting no new units to expand the range a bit.

I would dig a third tank and some crazy flyer along with a new unit of power armored foot troops along with frateris militia, but I doubt we will be getting that. I hope that I am wrong and we get some new units. I love to at least get the death guard treatment

Well we really haven't seen any of the units. We've seen the basic minis that will be in the Ltd. Ed. box, but we haven't seen the real kits for Sisters, Seraphim, Archos, Penitent Engines, other HQ/characters and so on.

We've got the odd glimpse, bad photo, or instagram pic, but nothing substantial.

I'd like to think that there were some -new- SoB units in there, but I'm more concerned about them cutting things (like Dominions and Celestians) because they don't have specific kits and have always been made of general SoB minis (much like Trueborn and Bloodbrides).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I'm gonna hold out on some of that ridiculous church kibble being optional on the tanks. It's kind of stupid, IMHO- not that I can't use that stuff for something else like a cool base. But hopefully enough people don't want that stained glass silliness and I can use it for windows in a chapel.

I do hope there's some variation. I mean, I know I want to use the Immolator's rear shrine as a piece of terrain somewhere else.

I need at least ONE of those stained glass pieces, because I've got a idea for a Necromunda chapel scenario- I'm going to put a small light behind that window and let the colors shine through into the cathedral area.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

I'd like to think that there were some -new- SoB units in there, but I'm more concerned about them cutting things (like Dominions and Celestians) because they don't have specific kits.

.... chalk that up as a fear as well. we haven't seen either one, have we? i was REALLY hoping they'd do something to the Celestians to make them more worth it, but... it WOULD be easier to just remove them.

losing anything would be a terrible blow. like i think the Repressor is about to be.

I'd love a really ornate Celestian kit that have very-clearly more senior Sisters, with fancier armour, robes, and really cool looking gilded weapons.

Of course, there are Retributors as well. Will they get a box, or will Sisters come with 10 girls and enough guns to do Retributors or Dominions a regular Sister squad?

I guess the next bulletin will give us a bit more detail, given it's the final one before release.

As for the Repressor... well... it was never really a GW Sisters kit. But at the same time, was't the Exorcist also FW only once upon a time?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
As for the Repressor... well... it was never really a GW Sisters kit. But at the same time, was't the Exorcist also FW only once upon a time?

I think it was a GW kit, but I could be mistaken.

Also, I kind of want to make a Stevie Wonder miniature to play on it.

I think Lady Gaga somehow fits better with SoBs.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think Lady Gaga somehow fits better with SoBs.

Well, it's not like Stevie Wonder noticed he was in a women's only unit. He just thought all the guys were being quiet or at work or something.

And let's be fair, Lady Gaga would probably be playing music for another artistically-inclined faction...

Does anyone remember artwork from a while back depicting some battle involving sisters with a Floating vehicle of some sorts in it, like a floating Church thing?

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Does anyone remember artwork from a while back depicting some battle involving sisters with a Floating vehicle of some sorts in it, like a floating Church thing?

That sounds absolutely ridiculous. And yes, I mean it's still ridiculous even withing a setting with chainsaw swords and giant superhuman space men yelling at each other.

...I'm hoping they make this, because I'll probably use it for a terrain project.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:

Didn't the FW Exorcist come out before the GW one? I have vague memories of it showing up in early 3rd edition when the Sisters had various get-you-by lists in the rulebook and White Dwarf.

Sort of. IIRC, the pipe organ metal hybrid was originally a limited release. Then Forgeworld released theirs to fill the gap while there was no 'official' model. And then at some point (5th edition?) the pipe organ was rereleased.

My memory is the Exorcist showed up in one of the Chapter Approved lists with no model or art.

The FW came after, and the pipe organ third.

That's my memory as well.

I'm okay with either the FW one or the Pipe Organ one.

The more I look at those tanks, the more I love them. I cannot wait to get my hands on a couple of those kits, and see what else I can add to them.

And stained glass shields… Brilliant!

 andrewm9 wrote:
Am I alone in thinking that's we've seen all the units already? Though I am loving all the new models and my wallet weeps tears of blood. I am thinking we are getting no new units to expand the range a bit.

I would dig a third tank and some crazy flyer along with a new unit of power armored foot troops along with frateris militia, but I doubt we will be getting that. I hope that I am wrong and we get some new units. I love to at least get the death guard treatment

We haven't seen all the units. Celestian, the dialogus, and Dominions are completely MIA at the moment. Though dominions and celestians could certainly be built out of a BSS kit.

That said, if Celestians and Dominions ARE built out of a BSS kit then this release is kinda BS if they don't add any new units. We'd be looking at:

3 Character model clampacks
2 foot infantry boxes ( All PA, COULD be 1 if they include heavy weapons)
2 foot infantry boxes (repentia/arcos)
2 Vehicle kits (pengin and rhino/exo/immo. Even if the rhino is a seperate kit, rhinos don't GAKING count as a new release)
1 Box of jump infantry.

Compare that to the Deathguard who got:

7 Character kits
2 Foot infantry squads
2 Terminator squads
3 Vehicle kits
1 Fricken mortarion

and Sisters are still pretty far behind, and deathguard weren't starting completely from scratch the way SoB are.


With no priests, crusaders, or deathcult anymore(as seen by them not going LCTB) and mistress of repentence and imagifiers being added to squads we'd be be cut down from 21 units in the codex to 14, which is not a lot to build an army with.

All that said, I doubt sisters are getting anything truly new so this is gonna be rough going for a long time coming yet.

That's assuming Celestians and Dominions even make the cut.