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So, Deathwatch already a thing for a while.

Finally getting Sisters soon.

Those useless Silver Space Marines everyone whines about.

...Inquisition in the next WD...

Hmmm....

 Breotan wrote:

 kestral wrote:
Crossbow armored space nun is awesome!

Surely you meant "Crossbolter".

Boltstormer.

 catharsix wrote:
It's a good thing they had like twenty years to develop ground breaking plastic moulding technology to create those complex fabric/cloth portions. Surely the dark ages of the early 2000's were far to backwards to pull off such a sophisticated feat of engineering. We finally live in the future.

While I sympathise with those who've waited for so long, I can't help but feel this is still the better deal. There's no way the miniatures would have looked nearly as good had they been made then. In addition, there probably would have been one or two plastic sets and that's it. Maybe a single additional set and character years later like the Eldar Aspect Warriors, just to be thrown a bone. Full plastic range, all of high quality and (by being made at the same time) in the same scale? Would argue it's worth the wait. They do look pretty glorious.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 catharsix wrote:
It's a good thing they had like twenty years to develop ground breaking plastic moulding technology to create those complex fabric/cloth portions. Surely the dark ages of the early 2000's were far to backwards to pull off such a sophisticated feat of engineering. We finally live in the future.

While I sympathise with those who've waited for so long, I can't help but feel this is still the better deal. There's no way the miniatures would have looked nearly as good had they been made then. In addition, there probably would have been one or two plastic sets and that's it. Maybe a single additional set and character years later like the Eldar Aspect Warriors, just to be thrown a bone. Full plastic range, all of high quality and (by being made at the same time) in the same scale? Would argue it's worth the wait. They do look pretty glorious.

Metal worked for me.

A multipart kit like the guardsmen and the marines would have worked.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 catharsix wrote:
It's a good thing they had like twenty years to develop ground breaking plastic moulding technology to create those complex fabric/cloth portions. Surely the dark ages of the early 2000's were far to backwards to pull off such a sophisticated feat of engineering. We finally live in the future.

While I sympathise with those who've waited for so long, I can't help but feel this is still the better deal. There's no way the miniatures would have looked nearly as good had they been made then. In addition, there probably would have been one or two plastic sets and that's it. Maybe a single additional set and character years later like the Eldar Aspect Warriors, just to be thrown a bone. Full plastic range, all of high quality and (by being made at the same time) in the same scale? Would argue it's worth the wait. They do look pretty glorious.

Depends on the individual. Getting plastic Sisters two years after I stopped playing 40k does me surprisingly little good.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that plastic Sisters are happening, it's just that I can't honestly say for myself that the wait was worth it.

Not sure where the mass complaining about not getting things earlier is coming from now that we're actually getting something, but it's perfectly believable that in the early plastics they couldn't actually pull most of this off. Having had the guardsman and GSC neophyte kits sitting on my work bench next to each other there's clearly been advances. And then after years of not doing anything with them, not having an internal driver supporting them and for some godawful reason never listening to their community, they thought that the faction was dead for the community as much as it was at GW. Then they actually talked to the community and found out they were wrong.

It's not difficult to understand how the people who produce a constant flood of marines don't see value in other smaller factions. Hopefully more interaction with the community will clear that up.

Amazing day at the Golden Demon winners day yesterday. Walking away with one of the new sisters sprues with a great end to the day
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The new sisters are gonna be HUGE. They hinted at some very exciting releases coming to the range. And check out that white armour

Thats another great model / paint job

Those gals are so pretty. And The Ossiarch Bonedudes are actually affordable, if that translates to the Sisters as well, whew. I have a slight feeling that we won't be that lucky, though.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
Not sure where the mass complaining about not getting things earlier is coming from now that we're actually getting something, but it's perfectly believable that in the early plastics they couldn't actually pull most of this off. Having had the guardsman and GSC neophyte kits sitting on my work bench next to each other there's clearly been advances. And then after years of not doing anything with them, not having an internal driver supporting them and for some godawful reason never listening to their community, they thought that the faction was dead for the community as much as it was at GW. Then they actually talked to the community and found out they were wrong.

It's not difficult to understand how the people who produce a constant flood of marines don't see value in other smaller factions. Hopefully more interaction with the community will clear that up.

Bear in mind that social media has also enhanced and augmented niche voices by allowing them greater facility in finding each other and amplifying messaging through repetition. This is a new phenomenon from the “oughtteens” which may now give better market understanding to companies like GW.

Also bear in mind, that for a long time, the only market research available to companies was either: (a) buying preferences, which will get skewed by availability [e.g., “weird, no one is buying the stuff we aren’t selling—they must not be interested!”] and (b) explicit polling, which gets skewed by asking people to compare real things versus imaginary things [e.g., “do you like this space marine here or a sister of battle you imagine in your head?”]. As much as people may hate having their data sold around by places like Facebook, Instagram, Etc., the upside is also that companies can get insight into what we want possibly even better than we know ourselves.

...and then they can market test through meme dropping on social media and scraping profiles for posts and watching hype around tangential related things (like SoB outfits at cons, for example).

These are all things they couldn’t do 20 years ago.

Now, these are all things which people (rightfully) complain about in reference to social media also amplifying similarly niche views like alt right movements, data harvesting like Cambridge Analytica, and privacy invasion in general... but it sure does help sell product to niche markets like ours!

But, this is dakkadakka, I’m sure we can find some way to complain that GW didn’t invent Facebook, smart phones, and targeted online advertisement sooner which could have given us a full plastic SoB range in, like, 1987.

If I ever paint white like that, I'm done. There's just nothing left to do in this hobby.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
Not sure where the mass complaining about not getting things earlier is coming from now that we're actually getting something, but it's perfectly believable that in the early plastics they couldn't actually pull most of this off. Having had the guardsman and GSC neophyte kits sitting on my work bench next to each other there's clearly been advances. And then after years of not doing anything with them, not having an internal driver supporting them and for some godawful reason never listening to their community, they thought that the faction was dead for the community as much as it was at GW. Then they actually talked to the community and found out they were wrong.

It's not difficult to understand how the people who produce a constant flood of marines don't see value in other smaller factions. Hopefully more interaction with the community will clear that up.

Is it really any more complaining than before? I like to think it's just the same old voices that aren't dismissed for the same old reasons anymore because now there are entirely new reasons to dismiss them.

The thing is someone who wanted plastic Sisters with the Witchunter codex fifteen years ago isn't going to stop having wanted that. Ever. Because the desire was there at the time and it wasn't fulfilled. That's not going to change anymore, no matter how much time passes or how many plastic kits we are about to get.

sieGermans wrote:
These are all things they couldn’t do 20 years ago.

Couldn't?

Is this the point where we have to remind everyone that GW knows its audience and that market research in a niche market is otiose?

It's pretty simple. Prior to November 2017 nobody even wanted plastic Sisters. People just spontaneously changed their minds on Sisters when GW changed their minds on market research.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Also awaiting the inevitable "muh boobie armor uffenzive" comments.

Interesting, seeing as nobody has been.

Do you also feel the need to check the sky every five minutes in case this time is actually falling?

Can't wait to see the full range. Exciting stuff.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:
As plastic minis became more prevalent in the past 10 years (especially in GW's systems, but nowadays in historicals too), I think any army with plastic options has seen a lot more play than those purely existing in metal. Obviously, the expected popularity of a range would be a condition to invest in the production of moulds for plastic figures, but at the same time, those factions lacking plastics would rarely become popular. That doesn't mean there weren't potential customers for plastic SoB then, or that there aren't enough (to warrant the investment) of them around now.

This is worth considering. The bad old days are gone and we live in a plastic paradise now. In my personal experience getting someone new to the hobby to even consider metal models is harder than introducing them to the idea of kitbashing plastic kits.

I always thought of GW's golden age of plastic models beginning with 3rd ed. New plastic Marines, loyalist and traitor, plastic Guardsmen, plastic Hormagaunts that somehow managed to fall over even worse than the old metals, the introduction of Tau and (sorta) Necrons with many plastic kits to form the core of their model range - it seemed like everyone would get at least their Troops choice in plastic. Sisters, along with Grey Knights, turned out to be the outlier. When a full Grey Knights range in plastic was launched in 5th ed plastic Sisters were long overdue and it only got worse from there.

At some point people simply stopped putting up with metals in large enough numbers that an army like Sisters holds no appeal enough to spend money on them. As such there is simply no grounds for debating the popularity of Sisters before they're available in plastic and therefore comparable to all the other armies. The world had long moved on and Sisters are only catching up now.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Do you belong to other groups that discuss 40k, outside of this one? You know those exist, right?

Great, those other groups exists! Now go stir artificial controversy there instead of here, thanks .

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Reds8n

Adeptus, I don’t get what you’re getting at. People who play GW games are only a tiny percentage of GW’s customers. Collectors are where the real money is at, and collectors love variety.

I should know. I used to own metal GK and SoB, but never played a game with them. I haven’t played a GW game since the 5th edition starter (and I’m not sure that one was completed). As the archetypical GW customer, I am/was excited about Sisters in plastic depending on the prices. (I was excited about Eldar Aspects in plastic, but....)

One last thing: stereotypical nerds do not stereotypically buy Sisters for their stereotypically uninterested girlfriends. The survey says: Tyranids. We were looking for “they stereotypically buy Tyranids”. Thanks for playing, though.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Adeptus, I don’t get what you’re getting at. People who play GW games are only a tiny percentage of GW’s customers. Collectors are where the real money is at, and collectors love variety.

I'm not sure about this, but I won't underestimate the collectors. For years, I would buy GW models "because it looks cool". I had a Knight on my shelf for 3 years before I actually thought about playing it in a game. But then again, the money actual players throw down is a lot more, I'd think.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
One last thing: stereotypical nerds do not stereotypically buy Sisters for their stereotypically uninterested girlfriends. The survey says: Tyranids. We were looking for “they stereotypically buy Tyranids”. Thanks for playing, though.

Well, yeah. For some reason, a lot of women love Tyranids.

Or Nurgle stuff.

That's kind of weird. I showed my gal Necromunda models, because she demanded the right to intrude on my recreational time and ensure I was incapable of escaping her torment. (Her words, not mine).

She likes the Ambots. And Chaos Cults. So... now I have to Satan up an Ambot.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Adeptus, I don’t get what you’re getting at. People who play GW games are only a tiny percentage of GW’s customers. Collectors are where the real money is at, and collectors love variety.

I should know. I used to own metal GK and SoB, but never played a game with them. I haven’t played a GW game since the 5th edition starter (and I’m not sure that one was completed). As the archetypical GW customer, I am/was excited about Sisters in plastic depending on the prices. (I was excited about Eldar Aspects in plastic, but....)

One last thing: stereotypical nerds do not stereotypically buy Sisters for their stereotypically uninterested girlfriends. The survey says: Tyranids. We were looking for “they stereotypically buy Tyranids”. Thanks for playing, though.

I managed a few 8th edition games in New Delhi but nothing in 2+ years.

Nonetheless I'm ready to declare myself 40k champion of Upper and Lower Egypt.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Adeptus, I don’t get what you’re getting at. People who play GW games are only a tiny percentage of GW’s customers. Collectors are where the real money is at, and collectors love variety.

I should know. I used to own metal GK and SoB, but never played a game with them. I haven’t played a GW game since the 5th edition starter (and I’m not sure that one was completed). As the archetypical GW customer, I am/was excited about Sisters in plastic depending on the prices. (I was excited about Eldar Aspects in plastic, but....)

One last thing: stereotypical nerds do not stereotypically buy Sisters for their stereotypically uninterested girlfriends. The survey says: Tyranids. We were looking for “they stereotypically buy Tyranids”. Thanks for playing, though.

You can't be serious. This is hilariously wrong. People who play at least one game are 90% of their customers(and 99% of their sales). Of the last ten percent at least 5-7 are people who used to play but stopped or people who buy GW for other games.

All you need to do to see how massive the gaming part of the hobby is is to look at the progression of AoS. AoS releases an unplayable game with great minis and you couldn't GIVE them away. AoS fixes the game with the GHB and all of a sudden it's a massive seller that's been creeping up on 40k for years.

Or even 8th edition. 7th was terrible and losing a lot of player at the end so their quarterly's looked iffy. 8th comes out and is quite a lot better and GW becomes one of the most successful brexit era company in the UK in terms of profit growth.

People who buy only to paint or collect are a tiny fraction of the consumer base. The vast majority play at least one game.

The two new painted Sisters look awesome. I like that white scheme.

I will agree with Erjack. But of those people who play 1 game and quit, I would say that a decent percentage of them continue to collect & paint.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
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Reds8n

Well I guess that used to be an answer to my post. I'll never know what was in there but if it became some big red text I guess it's a good thing.
You know what else is a good thing? Just a few more hours before the next reveals (that's very likely to include some Sisters stuff)!!

Oh baby

Whoa! and it looks like the Exorcist and Immolator have gained a Hull-Mounted Heavy Bolter. More weapons for purging the witch, mutant, and heretic!

Way too busy and chunky for my likes.

Those are by far the most incredible looking vehicles I've ever seen.

GW just nailed these. I'm so glad they haven't lost the gothic touch, I was getting super worried with all the bad primaris stuff.

These are absolutely incredible.

That's one funky helmet

Those look amazing. I really want to build them. Dont plan to start a sisters army, but I really want to build these kits. Maybe a friend will let me build his?


If you took the Dark Angel's symbols off the dark talon, it would fit in pretty well as a sisters flier to match these tanks.

I love it. The new Immolator and Exorcist take everything that was great about the old models and ramp them up to 11 and then spin the dial AGAIN.

Goodness gracious those are gorgeous!!