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Bad omens for sisters. Seraphon book has been taken out of stores all countries. We already know book is coming so not that unlikely they are next.

We also know that the release is a book, warscroll cards, and the pyramid....and that books are taken out of stores as early as four weeks in advance of a release.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
The Sisters release being considered a mess is people buying into the marketing a little too much, I can agree on that. Sisters really aren't any kind of special in spite of what GW's marketing would have us believe. Sister's aren't cut any slack on pricing to let the army take off. They come after last year's price hike and are priced accordingly. They got a bundle box exclusive for some time to get people to pay more for the bundle than they might have had the components been released individually.

I haven't seen anybody expect or ask for a special treatment? Just a sensible release schedule, whereby the fundamental parts of an army are the first to be released. GW doesn't release brand new armies often enough to clearly indicate their typical strategy, but I wouldn't have expected it to be this - if anything because it kills the hype rather than feed it. Based on the prices of the individual kits, the bundle was rather a good price - even if you don't care for a different cover on the codex or indeed the box-exclusive cannoness which few people were particularly enthusiastic about.

I might just have a gloomier outlook than you, but I can't bring myself to believe plastic Sisters are seen as a brand new army by GW. It effectively is to us who try to make an army out of the available models, of course, but I never got the impression that to GW the new models are about the army in a game context. They're making something that was asked for in their first community survey and that they believed would make the investment worthwhile, and what was asked for was not a functional, all around army update with all the bells and whistles. Just... plastic Sisters. It's a bit Kirbyesque when you think about it but I genuinely believe GW's intention was to seize the opportunity to make and sell new models, with all the game considerations being tacked on as a kind of necessity. More importantly, GW never dropped Sisters as an army, just minimized rule support and stubbornly refused to make new models for them. As such this is much more about a model overhaul than releasing a new army.

So as far as asking for special treatment is concerned, you're right that nobody really asked for it. People asking for a sensible release plan aren't wrong. Having to wait for your bog standard HQ to be released is bogus. I'm just suggesting that too many people got carried away by the marketing hype that GW had no intention of following up on, which is kind of the point of marketing. Throughout the 18 month teasing period you'd get people who would not temper their expectations even with reminders of GW's SOP. Release in 2019 only for the army box, limited numbers for the army box the admittedly newish but not unprecedented splitting of the main release - all these things suck, especially now that GW actually raises expectations through marketing, but they are in line what GW normally does. As such, expecting Sisters to be any different is in the realm of expecting special treatment. If only because GW's... eccentric way of doing things something bears little resemblance to common sense.

As for the limited box, personally I thought it was overpriced. I used to say about Start Collecting boxes that they offered a decent price on the included models, basically what the overpriced individual boxes should cost in the first place. They're discount boxes but only a good deal in context. I feel much the same about the Sisters box. It may have a better price compared to buying everything individually, but to me the individual prices are not worth comparing to because they're too high on their own. Also the box is not just overpriced to me because of the somewhat small selection of models but especially because of the extra padding. It doesn't just include a codex to drive up the price, no, it's a special version with a different cover. So they charge extra for it. The miracle dice are the most generic dice you could possibly find, but you can bet your ass they contributed to the cost as much as a set of custom army dice because they weren't just any old dice, nope, they got their own name and game mechanic and that makes them valuable enough to charge extra for it.

Does anyone else think that Hospitilars should be able to heal any Imperium unit within 3''? Pretty sure that checks out fluff wise. I know, coulda, shoulda, woulda but it would be cool if we had the most versatile medic for the Imperium, because in the fluff we do.

As for the discussion the past couple of pages, I for one am glad for the delayed release as its given me time to get some painting done and get my luxery budget in order. All I'm waiting on is the Seraphim as of right now, but I'm only focusing on a single outrider detachment so I can understand others frustrations.

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Does anyone else think that Hospitilars should be able to heal any Imperium unit within 3''? Pretty sure that checks out fluff wise. I know, coulda, shoulda, woulda but it would be cool if we had the most versatile medic for the Imperium, because in the fluff we do.

As for the discussion the past couple of pages, I for one am glad for the delayed release as its given me time to get some painting done and get my luxery budget in order. All I'm waiting on is the Seraphim as of right now, but I'm only focusing on a single outrider detachment so I can understand others frustrations.

It is kinda lame that they're locked to just Sororitas, since...ya know....they're not.

I want more seraphim as well, no wait I need SERAPHIM!!! & some Zeraphim just cuz.

 Geifer wrote:

I might just have a gloomier outlook than you, but I can't bring myself to believe plastic Sisters are seen as a brand new army by GW. It effectively is to us who try to make an army out of the available models, of course, but I never got the impression that to GW the new models are about the army in a game context. They're making something that was asked for in their first community survey and that they believed would make the investment worthwhile, and what was asked for was not a functional, all around army update with all the bells and whistles. Just... plastic Sisters. It's a bit Kirbyesque when you think about it but I genuinely believe GW's intention was to seize the opportunity to make and sell new models, with all the game considerations being tacked on as a kind of necessity. More importantly, GW never dropped Sisters as an army, just minimized rule support and stubbornly refused to make new models for them. As such this is much more about a model overhaul than releasing a new army.

Sorry but they wouldn't release this just for new models for old players. That would be financial suicide as the # of sister players wasn't big enough. To make any sense for this scale they have to aim for new players. At which point making non-functional army is just silly.

It's not like they didn't make all those models. They just release them in totally silly illogical order that hurts new armies starting armies which in turn costs £££

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Does anyone else think that Hospitilars should be able to heal any Imperium unit within 3''? Pretty sure that checks out fluff wise. I know, coulda, shoulda, woulda but it would be cool if we had the most versatile medic for the Imperium, because in the fluff we do.

Would be cool, but that's not 8th ed. GW went out of their way to implement a restrictive keyword system that strangles fluffy interactions between allies. It's what made Index Inquisition as non-functional as it was. Technically it's not even just 8th ed but the current 40k designers. 7th ed Imperial Agents codex was split up in the same way. Kind of a herald of the keyword system, half a year ahead of 8th ed. That book gutted Inquisition for 7th ed, too.

It would be cool to have better ally interactions, but unfortunately GW has given me no reason to expect such a thing to happen.

tneva82 wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

I might just have a gloomier outlook than you, but I can't bring myself to believe plastic Sisters are seen as a brand new army by GW. It effectively is to us who try to make an army out of the available models, of course, but I never got the impression that to GW the new models are about the army in a game context. They're making something that was asked for in their first community survey and that they believed would make the investment worthwhile, and what was asked for was not a functional, all around army update with all the bells and whistles. Just... plastic Sisters. It's a bit Kirbyesque when you think about it but I genuinely believe GW's intention was to seize the opportunity to make and sell new models, with all the game considerations being tacked on as a kind of necessity. More importantly, GW never dropped Sisters as an army, just minimized rule support and stubbornly refused to make new models for them. As such this is much more about a model overhaul than releasing a new army.

Sorry but they wouldn't release this just for new models for old players. That would be financial suicide as the # of sister players wasn't big enough. To make any sense for this scale they have to aim for new players. At which point making non-functional army is just silly.

It's not like they didn't make all those models. They just release them in totally silly illogical order that hurts new armies starting armies which in turn costs £££

Who said anything about targeting only old players?

 Geifer wrote:

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Does anyone else think that Hospitilars should be able to heal any Imperium unit within 3''? Pretty sure that checks out fluff wise. I know, coulda, shoulda, woulda but it would be cool if we had the most versatile medic for the Imperium, because in the fluff we do.

Would be cool, but that's not 8th ed. GW went out of their way to implement a restrictive keyword system that strangles fluffy interactions between allies. It's what made Index Inquisition as non-functional as it was. Technically it's not even just 8th ed but the current 40k designers. 7th ed Imperial Agents codex was split up in the same way. Kind of a herald of the keyword system, half a year ahead of 8th ed. That book gutted Inquisition for 7th ed, too.

It would be cool to have better ally interactions, but unfortunately GW has given me no reason to expect such a thing to happen.

thats because 7th edition did allow that klind of fluffy interaction and was stupidly broken because of the power combos people could do

BrianDavion wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Does anyone else think that Hospitilars should be able to heal any Imperium unit within 3''? Pretty sure that checks out fluff wise. I know, coulda, shoulda, woulda but it would be cool if we had the most versatile medic for the Imperium, because in the fluff we do.

Would be cool, but that's not 8th ed. GW went out of their way to implement a restrictive keyword system that strangles fluffy interactions between allies. It's what made Index Inquisition as non-functional as it was. Technically it's not even just 8th ed but the current 40k designers. 7th ed Imperial Agents codex was split up in the same way. Kind of a herald of the keyword system, half a year ahead of 8th ed. That book gutted Inquisition for 7th ed, too.

It would be cool to have better ally interactions, but unfortunately GW has given me no reason to expect such a thing to happen.

thats because 7th edition did allow that klind of fluffy interaction and was stupidly broken because of the power combos people could do

No doubt.

That doesn't mean there can't be a more sensible way of integrating allies. As I understand it AoS doesn't have half the problems 40k does with allies. And that's GW's other main system. Clearly they have designers in house with enough of a clue to make a more balanced system (not that it necessarily solves the keyword issue, mind).

That's why I'm not a fan of GW's current three ways to play. They're samey and try to use the same basic rules to achieve wildly different things. They should have done an actual, restrictive tournament rule set that is focused on balance above all so the more competitive minded folks can have their way and not be bothered with lore considerations that, honestly, if you look at tournament lists simply don't figure into the equation anyway. Then have a narrative mode for casuals that strikes a balance between lore and game balance. And yeah, what' I have in mind is not current matched play and certainly not narrative play.

That's a pipe dream, though. GW won't do anything I'd consider good game design because they're too afraid of losing sales to army building restrictions.

Shame, really. I bought my Sisters for the display case because of the way GW writes rules at the moment. Such a long wait only to have my shiny new plastic Sister never hit the tables...

But enough of that. I think I'm straying into off topic here.

What keeps sisters from seeing table? Game efficiency wise souping is likely still the optimum way to use them.

My distaste for 8th ed, my friends' distaste for 8th ed, and 8th ed being a dead game at my local store. Entirely a personal problem, I realize, but then I was just talking about my Sisters specifically.

tneva82 wrote:
What keeps sisters from seeing table? Game efficiency wise souping is likely still the optimum way to use them.

they don't lose a lot run in soup no, certainly not like Marines.

 Twoshoes23 wrote:
Does anyone else think that Hospitilars should be able to heal any Imperium unit within 3''? Pretty sure that checks out fluff wise. I know, coulda, shoulda, woulda but it would be cool if we had the most versatile medic for the Imperium, because in the fluff we do.

As for the discussion the past couple of pages, I for one am glad for the delayed release as its given me time to get some painting done and get my luxery budget in order. All I'm waiting on is the Seraphim as of right now, but I'm only focusing on a single outrider detachment so I can understand others frustrations.

The Imperial Guard has a different health insurance provider. Nothing the Hospitaller can do.


I've got a couple month backlog on my Sisters' painting, so not overly concerned about the rate stuff comes out - but I sympathize with people that have a big GT coming up that wanted to bring their new army.

Still nothing :(

Getting ridiculous. Seraphim codex also totally out aka release incoming so odds good march is earliest we get. And atm i wouldn't be surprised if it's march 2021

Seraphon release is likely 1 book, 1 terrain feature, 1 warscroll pack and perhaps a collectors battletome and perhaps dice. So its really not a huge amount (in fact all of that is overseas stuff, nothing from GW main production). They could easily pair the Seraphon with the Sisters on a week if they wanted.

They could. They could have combined here as well. Or last or week after that. But what they don't generally do is combine aos and 40k. Guess they think all collect all so too many different compete with each other

Gotta be honest I've about put a dent in painting my first 10 sisters, I have a box of 10 more and a box of mortifiers in the shrink wrap. Personally I can afford to wait a little. Yay for recent dad life!

Games Workshop Executive at the end of Feb: "Huh. That's weird...there are no Adepta Sororitas armies in competitive tournaments..."

Games Workshop Executive Assistant: "Umm...sir? We still haven't released half the army yet, remember?"

Games Workshop Executive: "Whaaaat?!"




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EDIT: The absolute earliest we can now get more Sisters is 29th Feb. Maybe that's deliberate, like a big leap year special day thing to complete the army.

and the 40k release this week is a blackstone fortress release of the easy to build deathguard stuff?!

Maybe Sisters really are getting a Psychic Awakening appearance and the rest of their minis will come out then.

 Casbyness wrote:
Games Workshop Underling: "Huh. That's weird...there are no Adepta Sororitas armies in competitive tournaments..."

Games Workshop Executive: "What's a Sister of Battle? Have we sold anymore of those Prime Evil Space Marines?"

Games Workshop Underling: "It's Primaris, sir."

Games Workshop Executive: "Whatever. Sell more of those. Make up some more volumes..."

Games Workshop Underling: "Chapters."

Games Workshop Executive: "Whatever they're called. Make up more to push the paints we just put out."

FIFY.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe Sisters really are getting a Psychic Awakening appearance and the rest of their minis will come out then.

 Casbyness wrote:
Games Workshop Underling: "Huh. That's weird...there are no Adepta Sororitas armies in competitive tournaments..."

Games Workshop Executive: "What's a Sister of Battle? Have we sold anymore of those Prime Evil Space Marines?"

Games Workshop Underling: "It's Primaris, sir."

Games Workshop Executive: "Whatever. Sell more of those. Make up some more volumes..."

Games Workshop Underling: "Chapters."

Games Workshop Executive: "Whatever they're called. Make up more to push the paints we just put out."

FIFY.

now now, if they made up space marine chapters to sell paint we'd see more gold and silver marines given the metallics are the most expensive. heck, we'd proably see a silver and gold quartered scheme..........
ya know.. that might look pretty cool

BrianDavion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe Sisters really are getting a Psychic Awakening appearance and the rest of their minis will come out then.

 Casbyness wrote:
Games Workshop Underling: "Huh. That's weird...there are no Adepta Sororitas armies in competitive tournaments..."

Games Workshop Executive: "What's a Sister of Battle? Have we sold anymore of those Prime Evil Space Marines?"

Games Workshop Underling: "It's Primaris, sir."

Games Workshop Executive: "Whatever. Sell more of those. Make up some more volumes..."

Games Workshop Underling: "Chapters."

Games Workshop Executive: "Whatever they're called. Make up more to push the paints we just put out."

FIFY.

now now, if they made up space marine chapters to sell paint we'd see more gold and silver marines given the metallics are the most expensive. heck, we'd proably see a silver and gold quartered scheme..........
ya know.. that might look pretty cool

That's what Sigmarines, Custodes and Grey Knights are for.

The annoying thing is we have no promises or quarantees we will get anything any time soon. Actually only thing regarding remaining is "sometime next year" for seraphim. Rest of the kits could come next year and GW wouldn't have broken any promises...

Now while that is unlikely not holding hopes for any quick release of rest. Could be easily summer-autumn.

Am I missing something? There is a Cannoness model on the GW store?

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Sisters-of-Battle-Canoness-Veridyan

It's GW resin, zero options, poor loadout, doesn't fit with aesthetics at all and top of that it's web order item. So as it is I'm still waiting mine that I ordered before first sisters came to even on stores...That's over 4 weeks(when was preorders for 1st week announced? That's around the time I put one on order). If it was plastic release I already could have it.

And once plastic ones comes this will never see usage in game as it doesn't look at all like rest of sisters. Might just as well put random male figure into army and claim it's canoness.

tneva82 wrote:
It's GW resin, zero options, poor loadout, doesn't fit with aesthetics at all and top of that it's web order item. So as it is I'm still waiting mine that I ordered before first sisters came to even on stores...

And once plastic ones comes this will never see usage in game as it doesn't look at all like rest of sisters. Might just as well put random male figure into army and claim it's canoness.

Okay. Not sure that "I don't like the option" is the same as "there is no option", but thats fair enough.

Well. In practice it is no option. I ordered one over 4 weeks ago and still have to get one. Not that much of an option...

tneva82 wrote:
Well. In practice it is no option. I ordered one over 4 weeks ago and still have to get one. Not that much of an option...

thats odd I ordered one when the first set of SOB smultipart boxes came out and it arrived promptly.

So now instead of sisters we get valhallans. Gee. Made to order valhallans sure compete with sisters eh? Can't say release both?

Earliest any sisters can be in stores is now 7.3

Starting to suspect they will be released with sister's psychic awakening book since we know they will get one.

At which point hopefully sisters are along the wolf vs orks because if not earliest we are looking at new sisters is in may...