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I'm assuming they hit production capacity issues and have had to wait to stockpile sufficient stock, hence why they're just releasing lower turn over filler stuff recently.

On Facebook they said the rest of the Sisters stuff is coming in March. Not ideal, but it’s something.

Nothing more specific?

Well I'm sticking with theory sisters are going to be in PA6 and they will accompany them.

Still could mean preorders on 28.3...So 7 weeks at worst until we get our hands on models.

March? well.. gives us time to save up more money I guess. *grumnbles*

tneva82 wrote:
Nothing more specific?

Well I'm sticking with theory sisters are going to be in PA6 and they will accompany them.

Still could mean preorders on 28.3...So 7 weeks at worst until we get our hands on models.

I don’t think the sisters and wolves would team up against the orks. Maybe wolves and Deathwatch. I think the wolves are still mad about the Ecclesiarchy laying sedge to Fenris.

Smaug wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Nothing more specific?

Well I'm sticking with theory sisters are going to be in PA6 and they will accompany them.

Still could mean preorders on 28.3...So 7 weeks at worst until we get our hands on models.

I don’t think the sisters and wolves would team up against the orks. Maybe wolves and Deathwatch. I think the wolves are still mad about the Ecclesiarchy laying sedge to Fenris.

I'm pretty sure Wolves dislike Orks more.

Anyway, the Codex mentions M41 battles with Necrons and Death Guard - so it could be any either of those two, or unrelated.

There's no reason to think that the next model wave would necessarily be connected with the PA release either.

Hmm... maybe Sanctuary 101 Redux really is a thing, given the Necrons haven't had their PA uplift.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hmm... maybe Sanctuary 101 Redux really is a thing, given the Necrons haven't had their PA uplift.

according to some stuff mentioned from grteater good, a gak ton of new deamon engines where spotted by the admech. Could see us getting "Faith and Fury 2, Soritis Boogaloo" featuring some new rules for sisters, "Create a warband" rules for CSM and a buncha new deamon engines.

As a SoB player I'd be pretty ticked off, I'll admit. If those elf thingies get a splash release like the Bonereapers it'd be even more weird.

I decided to not buy a small force of Sisters to not get my pile of shame even higher...and bought several Beastgrave warbands, which are almost as expensive from GW as imported+discounted SoB squads. Sigh. But at least I can use those to immediatly play. And did. With SoBs I'd be proxying HQs. Wat.

Yeah it was bad idea to start sisters with the initial release. ATM could not recommend anybody to actually start with sisters for now.

Ah well. Maybe start of april we get hands on last core units.

It's not that bad a situation. Heck consider that thus far armies like Ossiarch Bonereapers and many of the AoS armies that are new are half the size of what Sisters of Battle will have - and most of those AoS armies are going to likely remain at "half size" for quite a long period of time

Meanwhile many of the older larger armies, like Seraphon and Skaven, are chock full of resin and even metal models and likely will remain so, again, for quite a long period of time.

Sisters of Battle waited ages for plastic models; the few months you've got between waves is going to feel like nothing compared to the other armies waiting. If anything sisters are in a fantastic place to start right now.

Ossiriach could be started in week 2(week 1 being basically big army box). Sisters you need to wait like 2 months after codex before you can really start it. So no I would not recommend starting sisters yet. Wait for the army to be actually released.

 Overread wrote:
If anything sisters are in a fantastic place to start right now.

...not having the generic HQ released is a fantastic place to start?

 Overread wrote:
If anything sisters are in a fantastic place to start right now.

If we had our canoness already, I'd agree.

We don't, though.

Dudeface wrote:
I'm assuming they hit production capacity issues and have had to wait to stockpile sufficient stock, hence why they're just releasing lower turn over filler stuff recently.

Its a storage issue
slowly building up to a full release while storing all of it is a big investment in time and space

 Overread wrote:
It's not that bad a situation. Heck consider that thus far armies like Ossiarch Bonereapers and many of the AoS armies that are new are half the size of what Sisters of Battle will have - and most of those AoS armies are going to likely remain at "half size" for quite a long period of time

Meanwhile many of the older larger armies, like Seraphon and Skaven, are chock full of resin and even metal models and likely will remain so, again, for quite a long period of time.

Sisters of Battle waited ages for plastic models; the few months you've got between waves is going to feel like nothing compared to the other armies waiting. If anything sisters are in a fantastic place to start right now.

Without the Canoness and imagifier the army is almost impossible to play. Even adding in the boxset canoness doesn't help much. Add in two of the best units not being out yet (seraphim and Zephyrim) and it's a real hard sell to start the army from scratch. If you have 5 metal canonesses and a bunch of metal seraphim sitting around then you're fine but someone just starting the army would be on the back foot immediately.

I dunno about everyone else, but I haven't even gotten close to finishing building let alone painting my Sisters, so I honestly don't get everyone being worked up over things not being out yet, are you guys already sat with 2k points built, painted and based or something, or are we all just so used to complaining as Sisters players that you guys just need something new to complain about?

I have enough minis built to play a small game if I had a canoness mini (two BSS, two celestian squads, canoness).

I can play without the canoness by subbing a superior for one, but then I'm short one squad, basically.

foenixphate wrote:
... I honestly don't get everyone being worked up over things not being out yet...

You don't understand why it's bad to not have your base HQ unit out in the first wave of releases?

foenixphate wrote:
I dunno about everyone else, but I haven't even gotten close to finishing building let alone painting my Sisters, so I honestly don't get everyone being worked up over things not being out yet, are you guys already sat with 2k points built, painted and based or something, or are we all just so used to complaining as Sisters players that you guys just need something new to complain about?

As someone who isn't a sisters player, not having the basic (and only non-SC) HQ is a pretty major problem.
Every army GW has done for the last... two decades or so is started on the premise that you can do a functional, if small, army out of the gate (sometimes literally out of a single box, with battalions and start collecting and whatever).
Except this one, because reasons (which are swallowed by the current wall of absolute silence about _The_ Major Army Release of 2019/2020).

It's a completely legit thing to complain about. They either finally got to the starting line and tripped, or Lucy just yoinked that football away from Charlie Brown... again.

foenixphate wrote:
I dunno about everyone else, but I haven't even gotten close to finishing building let alone painting my Sisters, so I honestly don't get everyone being worked up over things not being out yet, are you guys already sat with 2k points built, painted and based or something, or are we all just so used to complaining as Sisters players that you guys just need something new to complain about?

Some people don't want models just be paper weights but actually play. Maybe people in your place are okay with empty base proxies but less so here.

I get models to play. Not sit on shelves. Models that can't be used to play are worthless

and note you don't need models to be painted to play. you do need models to play with.Ergo if I would have canoness kit already it would be useful to me regardless of painting status. Having ability to play doesn't hurt painting. It just means models are actually useful rather than just overpriced paper weights.

The thing is, people could have maybe been patient if the Canoness had come out on the first release because at least then players could have done small gunline armies even if they didn't have the powerhouses or force multipliers.

Currently the army is unplayable unless you already had a a large metal collection beforehand or the Sisters of Battle box.

That's it. GW lost tons of PR by withholding that basic HQ. Have that and there would have been lot less problems. Doubt that many expected to get all 16 kits to begin with(I for one had been preparing for at least6 month wait for seraphim...).

It's the lack of basic core units for possibly even 2.5 months after codex released(assuming worst case of 28.3 for preorders for their "in march" statement) that's so infuriating.

foenixphate wrote:
I dunno about everyone else, but I haven't even gotten close to finishing building let alone painting my Sisters, so I honestly don't get everyone being worked up over things not being out yet, are you guys already sat with 2k points built, painted and based or something, or are we all just so used to complaining as Sisters players that you guys just need something new to complain about?

I'm in a similar situation - everything is built, but I've still got a bunch of painting to catch-up on. I have a Missionary, Army Box Canoness, Celestine and Triumph for HQs currently, so I'm not hurting for options there. I've also still got 3 Battle Sisters Squads and 3 Exorcists to paint before I'm ready for the next wave.

If I really wanted to get my BR detachment going, I could get Veridyan as my Beneficence Canoness - but I'd rather wait for the multi-part kit instead.

The lack of Seraphim is more of an issue for me currently, since I want to use some bits from the full kit to convert the Sergeant from the Army Box.

foenixphate wrote:
I dunno about everyone else, but I haven't even gotten close to finishing building let alone painting my Sisters, so I honestly don't get everyone being worked up over things not being out yet, are you guys already sat with 2k points built, painted and based or something, or are we all just so used to complaining as Sisters players that you guys just need something new to complain about?

I also haven't gotten close to finishing building the new Sisters.. but then I have barely started because I want to kitbash the various sets together, and several of the sets I want for that are not yet available. Lacking access to the repentia, some tank or a named HQ would be largely irrelevant, but I'd like to have the Seraphim and Cannoness kits before I start gluing too many things together.

Sisters have gotten more releases in the last four months than Orks (my primary army) have gotten in four years. The whining is getting pretty ridiculous. Are GW nefariously holding back a standalone HQ to try to move box sets and Junith packs? Probably. Does that make the army "unplayable"? feth no.

Put your big-girl flak-panties on, build a perfectly legit Canoness model out of a Battle Sisters box. Then when the generic HQ of your dreams comes out a week later, you can demote her to a Sister Superior and move on with your awesome life. (Or just keep her as a Canoness, I suspect everyone's gonna be running 2-3 of them in every army anyway.)

Y'all starting to sound like a bunch of Space Marine players!

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 Melissia wrote:

 Overread wrote:
If anything sisters are in a fantastic place to start right now.

If we had our canoness already, I'd agree.

We don't, though.

See my posts above - there is a Canoness model available on the website and through shops. People may not like it, but the option is there.

Me, I'd like to retire my Ragnar Blackmane at some point. Thats been a long wait.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
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 Melissia wrote:

 Overread wrote:
If anything sisters are in a fantastic place to start right now.

If we had our canoness already, I'd agree.

We don't, though.

See my posts above - there is a Canoness model available on the website and through shops. People may not like it, but the option is there.

Me, I'd like to retire my Ragnar Blackmane at some point. Thats been a long wait.

I mean, not unless you want 200+ dollars of monopose miniatures. Twice, if you're some kind of crazyman like me who'd like to field a battalion detachment

This is identical to the whole "But you CAN buy Suppressors right now, you might not LIKE it but you CAN so technically they're not waiting to be released!!!" thing. Or ditto for new Drazar/Jain/Banshees/Incubi. Tons of new kits get strapped to huge army bundles and just...sit there, leaving the army and new units in a state that's not functionally playable to people who don't drop "Ultra super duper mega-tier EA preorder" levels of cash.

Hankovitch wrote:
Put your big-girl flak-panties on, build a perfectly legit Canoness model out of a Battle Sisters box. Then when the generic HQ of your dreams comes out a week later, you can demote her to a Sister Superior and move on with your awesome life. (Or just keep her as a Canoness, I suspect everyone's gonna be running 2-3 of them in every army anyway.)

This is more or less my plan (though it is on hold because I want to incorporate bits from the Repentia into said canonesses and my other main sisters units) but it was something I was going to do anyway. That doesn't mean GW is above criticism; they made a call, I'd argue the wrong one, and it's a problem sisters players now need to work around or wait on a fix for.

Frankly, the only thing that really bothers me about it is the lack of communication. Was this a supply chain interruption? Was the plan to space out releases of major and minor kits so they wouldn't sell out for a year like they did with the DoK hero kit? Did they know mid February that the rest wouldn't come out till March or were they all on a best effort basis with no deadline?

You'd say that sounds like an unreasonable expectation, but GW advised the community when the Sylvaneth were delayed and I thought that worked really well for them.

Contrast that to this case, where after week two people were asking after the remaining sisters releases on every Warhammer Facebook article, getting no response save for gifs of crying babies from one sadly persistent fellow.

I feel like everyone forgot that they did release a new plastic Canoness late last year. In a box full of other Sisters stuff, which is still very available.

Cannoness Verdiyan is also still available.

So thats two available options for everyone. (not counting older metal models, conversions and a wide variety of 3rd party proxies and Junith, who can easily be fielded as a normal Cannoness).

Yes, we all wish that the new multi-part model was available now. But in a month or two it will be, and at that point it will be available forever. So this is just an extremely minor inconvenience in the first few months of the armies release.