[Adepta Sororitas] Made to Order Battle Sister pg 201

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**BrianDavion**

yeah I actually snagged a Verydia myself. I figure GW assumes those despirate for a cannoness will make do with that.. or already had one

**tneva82**

Hankovitch wrote:
Sisters have gotten more releases in the last four months than Orks (my primary army) have gotten in four years. The whining is getting pretty ridiculous. Are GW nefariously holding back a standalone HQ to try to move box sets and Junith packs? Probably. Does that make the army "unplayable"? feth no.

Put your big-girl flak-panties on, build a perfectly legit Canoness model out of a Battle Sisters box. Then when the generic HQ of your dreams comes out a week later, you can demote her to a Sister Superior and move on with your awesome life. (Or just keep her as a Canoness, I suspect everyone's gonna be running 2-3 of them in every army anyway.)

Y'all starting to sound like a bunch of Space Marine players!

Orks can be played. They don't need new kits to play.

Apples vs oranges. Sheesh. "we deserve bonus kits more than others need core kits needed to even play the damn army". Lol.

But hey what you have to worry. You get to play game. All is fine. What it matters for YOU when YOU have it good. Others can have it bad as long as YOU have it good. That's all that matters.

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BrianDavion wrote:
yeah I actually snagged a Verydia myself. I figure GW assumes those despirate for a cannoness will make do with that.. or already had one

Wish it wouldn't be web order item. Getting to be about 7 weeks since I ordered one. Where is it? Whoever knows.

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Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
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Melissia wrote:
Overread wrote:
If anything sisters are in a fantastic place to start right now.
If we had our canoness already, I'd agree.

We don't, though.

See my posts above - there is a Canoness model available on the website and through shops. People may not like it, but the option is there.

Me, I'd like to retire my Ragnar Blackmane at some point. Thats been a long wait.

Wonderful. Just 7 weeks and counting to get one. It's good race on do I get it first or the plastic canoness whenever that comes out.

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jake wrote:
I feel like everyone forgot that they did release a new plastic Canoness late last year. In a box full of other Sisters stuff, which is still very available.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-FI/Warhammer-40-000?N=1020203537+3639190268&Nr=AND%28sku.siteId%3AFI_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_FI_gw%29&Nrs=collection%28%29%2Frecord%5Bproduct.startDate+%3C%3D+1582066020000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1582066020000%5D

Please show where it is available. I don't find it.

Just because SOME independent stores still have copies doesn't mean it's universally available. Not everybody has such a store. GW doesn't sell it. And frankly telling pay 160e for single canoness is pretty ridiculous.

**Fenrir Kitsune**

You know, you could ask GW about your missing order, rather than bitching on a forum about it still not being here?

**Melissia**

Removed - Rule #1 please

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Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
there is a Canoness model available

Doesn't have the options I need, and it's ugly. It's a one-off monopose named character, not a customizable generic HQ.

Also everyone, shove off with the "you're sounding like marine players!" gobbledygook. Marines haven't gone without having a generic HQ available to them on the store since before you were born. It's perfectly reasonable to want a basic and core aspect of your army to be available to purchase. If anything, you just sound like you're entitled and self-important brats for trying to put down people for wanting such a basic part of their army. You're basically coming off as entitled jerkoffs-- "how dare someone else complain when I'm perfectly happy!".

**fox-light713**

Melissia wrote:

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
there is a Canoness model available
Doesn't have the options I need, and it's ugly. It's a one-off monopose named character, not a customizable generic HQ.

**Coenus Scaldingus**

jake wrote:
I feel like everyone forgot that they did release a new plastic Canoness late last year. In a box full of other Sisters stuff, which is still very available.

Cannoness Verdiyan is also still available.

So thats two available options for everyone. (not counting older metal models, conversions and a wide variety of 3rd party proxies and Junith, who can easily be fielded as a normal Cannoness).

Yes, we all wish that the new multi-part model was available now. But in a month or two it will be, and at that point it will be available forever. So this is just an extremely minor inconvenience in the first few months of the armies release.

I don't know what your definition of "very available" is, but I have a feeling it rather differs from mine.

I think it would have helped a lot of GW was just a bit more communicative. Doesn't feel great to invest in e.g. a resin mini I personally dislike, or convert something using only the Superior bits (which, in all likelihood, will make her look like a Sister Superior), when you know the very nice multipart plastic set is just around the corner, but you don't know if it's weeks or months away, and had expected to have had it available some weeks ago already.
If they were planning to slowly release the range rather than all within a few weeks, it also would have helped if they simply kept the metal range available for purchase. Certainly not ideal (different size/style; models you'll likely want to replace when the plastics are released anyway), but at least most of the roster would be there.

This is not about having to convert some models that don't exist, this is about having to convert models that kind of exist and for all we know, could have been on sale weeks ago, but aren't.

**Dudeface**

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
And thus we conclude that Sisters players will never be happy.

As much as some posters have had wildly over zealous reactions to any suggestions/criticisms, it is fair to be annoyed for new sisters players like myself who didn't buy the army box and hence can't actually buy a cannoness to make a legal army, especially if I don't want to cannibalise a box of sisters which will leave me with incomplete squads.

I imagine GW has got themselves backed into a corner where they weren't ready to release the army in Jan but had no choice to release the codex because of the army box they promised to deliver in 2019, but couldn't have a codex with no models at all and hence here we are.

**BrianDavion**

yeah being a bit annoyed with the sudden stop is something I don't blame people for.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

fox-light713 wrote:
Or you can Use the Superior body from the basic battle sister kit which contains some of the options, you might need to get creative (some minor kit bashing) for some of the other options but should have most of what many are looking for. The domion kit supiror is also an option.

You just showed you don't know what you are talking about, the Dominion (not domion) kit is the same as a BSS kit. Guess you meant the Retributor kit.

**Lemondish**

It is totally fine to be annoyed about the release schedule. Your disappointment is totally valid.

But don't take suggestions to mitigate your particular circumstances as dismissing the issue. Some may be doing that in their tone, but trust that most suggestions in this thread are put forward to help you. If you are presenting your problem as an inability to play without a specific Canoness build, and others have supplied you ways to easily replicate that build with freely available kits today, then rejoice!

You can still be salty about the delay in the release without having to justify that position with increasingly hyperbolic outrage. We all know and agree it is not ideal, but the fury is misplaced.

**changemod**

To be perfectly blunt, the options if you don’t want to perform short term on the order of a few months financially dubious actions (track down a huge box set that isn’t available everywhere so might cost you a bunch extra to source, buy a poorly executed sculpt of a rather marmite artist’s old drawing that doesn’t fit in well with the range, convert a sister when you know the cannoness isn’t that far out and you’ll have ruined that sister to do so) are exactly two:

Already own a cannoness from some earlier iteration or proxy.

Now, I’m fine because I did get the box set and have been pretty slow building sisters anyhow as I work on painting my iyanden, but people who are stuck in the above situation have plenty of reason to gripe and don’t really need to get harassed by the bizarre anti-gripe brigade that seems to infest every part of this website.

**Kanluwen**

There's a third option in the form of kitbashing utilizing the parts for the Superiors in the Retributors and standard Battle Sisters.

For the most part, Canonesses have similar if not the same weapon options right?

**Matt.Kingsley**

Some of the same options with exceptions - Canoness's can't take combi-weapons or hand flamers, and Superiors can't take Blessed Blades (though your could use a Power Sword for that and no one would know the difference I guess), Rods of Office, Braziers or Null Rods. Those last three aren't exactly the easiest to convert, though I guess you could fashion a RoO or Null Rod from the Power Maul you get in the Retributor kit and random non-sister bits.

Of course, converting a Canoness from a Superior means she is going to look the same as your unit leaders, instead far more ornate like they're meant to.

And once you put in this work, you have a conversion that in about a month and a half will have an actual released model for the unit it's meant to represent.

It's like telling a Marine player to convert a Captain from the Tactical Marine and Devastor boxes because the only place they buy from doesn't have any Captains in stock, and won't for a month and a bit. I mean, they technically can but it isn't really going to look like it fits the part.

**Captain Joystick**

Kanluwen wrote:There's a third option in the form of kitbashing utilizing the parts for the Superiors in the Retributors and standard Battle Sisters.

For the most part, Canonesses have similar if not the same weapon options right?

If anything the Canoness has slightly less now. And the BSS sprue has basically everything you'd need to do it (except apparently the inferno pistol?) and still have enough left over to build a superior.

In fact, I'd like to reiterate how versatile the BSS squad kit is. It looks like you can build a 5-girl squad with superior and simulacrum, and still have parts enough left over to build another 5-girl squad with its own superior and simulacrum, and have enough heavy and special weapons across the sprue to kit out both to (admittedly distinct) flavor.

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Some of the same options with exceptions - Canoness's can't take combi-weapons or hand flamers, and Superiors can't take Blessed Blades (though your could use a Power Sword for that and no one would know the difference I guess), Rods of Office, Braziers or Null Rods. Those last three aren't exactly the easiest to convert, though I guess you could fashion a RoO or Null Rod from the Power Maul you get in the Retributor kit and random non-sister bits.[/spoiler]
The Simulacrum's pole could work as a staff for RoO. I also really like the ret Superior's book, and the arm raising the rosette.

Of course, converting a Canoness from a Superior means she is going to look the same as your unit leaders, instead far more ornate like they're meant to.

And once you put in this work, you have a conversion that in about a month and a half will have an actual released model for the unit it's meant to represent.

It's like telling a Marine player to convert a Captain from the Tactical Marine and Devastor boxes because the only place they buy from doesn't have any Captains in stock, and won't for a month and a bit. I mean, they technically can but it isn't really going to look like it fits the part.

To be fair, I think marine players do feel pressure to convert ancients and lieutenants, if they want to field them - if anything with the right paint job and application of bits said converted canoness would look fine as a palatine - which mechanically works as one's 'non-warlord' canoness.

**LunarSol**

I'm generally more fond of "made a captain" options anyway. The missing stuff is notable and problematic, and frustrating, but its completely out of everyone's hands at this point and the result of bad decisions made months ago. Being upset about it now is just a waste of energy. It'll come when it comes.

**Melissia**

fox-light713 wrote:
Or you can Use the Superior body from the basic battle sister kit

Which is what I am doing, temporarily. That doesn't make missing the Canoness set a good thing like people are making it out to be, nor does it excuse people acting like condescending donkey caves about it in this thread.

LunarSol wrote:
Being upset about it now is just a waste of energy.

Us saying "this is dumb" doesn't mean we're apoplectically upset about it, no matter how much certain posters in this thread are attempting to make it out as such. One can complain about something without somehow raging or being unhappy with everything else.

I suppose the idea of "I like most of this, but wish they did it better in one particular area" blows some peoples minds and is way too complex and intricate for them to comprehend. Go figure .

**LunarSol**

No, but the thread has also become a "no news alert". Bumping to the top constantly with the same "still nothing" announcement to repeat the same cycle of complaints. The waiting game sucks. Lets play Hungry Hungry Hippos.

**Melissia**

LunarSol wrote:
No, but the thread has also become a "no news alert".

And for that, you can blame the people bashing anyone who is not more than 100% happy with the releases thus far, which you are participating in. Whee. Welcome to creating your own problem and then complaining about it.

And since we're now off topic, I'm going to go somewhere far away from this thread and check it again in a week or t wo I guess.

**Fictional**

Melissia wrote:
And for that, you can blame the people bashing anyone who is not more than 100% happy with the releases thus far, which you are participating in. Whee. Welcome to creating your own problem and then complaining about it.

Sororitas fans and enthusiasts should have already had the required miniatures in metal and be fully willing to field them

**Racerguy180**

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
You know, you could ask GW about your missing order, rather than bitching on a forum about it still not being here?

nah, it's far more productive here.

Yes GW jacked this release right off. Nothing we can do about it until they do.

**BrookM**

Hey kids, kindly asking all participants to keep in mind that Rule #1, to be polite to one and all, is not optional.

Also, kindly stop provoking and needling one another with snipes, next person to do so in this topic or elsewhere gets a time out.

**Grundz**

jake wrote:
I feel like everyone forgot that they did release a new plastic Canoness late last year. In a box full of other Sisters stuff, which is still very available.

Cannoness Verdiyan is also still available.

So thats two available options for everyone. (not counting older metal models, conversions and a wide variety of 3rd party proxies and Junith, who can easily be fielded as a normal Cannoness).

Yes, we all wish that the new multi-part model was available now. But in a month or two it will be, and at that point it will be available forever. So this is just an extremely minor inconvenience in the first few months of the armies release.

You can also just magnetize the triumph of st katharine and end up with MANY canoness proxies

**jake**

Grundz wrote:
jake wrote:
I feel like everyone forgot that they did release a new plastic Canoness late last year. In a box full of other Sisters stuff, which is still very available.

Cannoness Verdiyan is also still available.

So thats two available options for everyone. (not counting older metal models, conversions and a wide variety of 3rd party proxies and Junith, who can easily be fielded as a normal Cannoness).

Yes, we all wish that the new multi-part model was available now. But in a month or two it will be, and at that point it will be available forever. So this is just an extremely minor inconvenience in the first few months of the armies release.

You can also just magnetize the triumph of st katharine and end up with MANY canoness proxies

Totally. And that was one of the major topics of conversation here and in other Sisters spaces for weeks.

**tneva82**

fox-light713 wrote:
Melissia wrote:

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
there is a Canoness model available
Doesn't have the options I need, and it's ugly. It's a one-off monopose named character, not a customizable generic HQ.

Or you can Use the Superior body from the basic battle sister kit which contains some of the options, you might need to get creative (some minor kit bashing) for some of the other options but should have most of what many are looking for. The domion kit supiror is also an option.

**BrianDavion**

tneva82 wrote:
fox-light713 wrote:
Melissia wrote:

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
there is a Canoness model available
Doesn't have the options I need, and it's ugly. It's a one-off monopose named character, not a customizable generic HQ.

Or you can Use the Superior body from the basic battle sister kit which contains some of the options, you might need to get creative (some minor kit bashing) for some of the other options but should have most of what many are looking for. The domion kit supiror is also an option.

Which will then look like sister superior. Funny that. Sister superior model being used looking like sister superior. What a wonder! Totally unexpected result indeed!

I have yet to see anybody do canoness from sister superior that doesn't look like sister superior. Particularly as the canoness only bits(blessed blade, rod, brazier) haven't even been released so can't do that.

That's literally proxying. You proxy canoness with sister superior. Fine for those who are okay with proxies but others aren't.

**Dudeface**

BrianDavion wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
fox-light713 wrote:
Melissia wrote:

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
there is a Canoness model available
Doesn't have the options I need, and it's ugly. It's a one-off monopose named character, not a customizable generic HQ.

Or you can Use the Superior body from the basic battle sister kit which contains some of the options, you might need to get creative (some minor kit bashing) for some of the other options but should have most of what many are looking for. The domion kit supiror is also an option.

Which will then look like sister superior. Funny that. Sister superior model being used looking like sister superior. What a wonder! Totally unexpected result indeed!

I have yet to see anybody do canoness from sister superior that doesn't look like sister superior. Particularly as the canoness only bits(blessed blade, rod, brazier) haven't even been released so can't do that.

That's literally proxying. You proxy canoness with sister superior. Fine for those who are okay with proxies but others aren't.

a sword and bolt gun is a perfectly legit loadout for a cannoness or sister superior.

**Asmodai**

Spoiler:

- A cape draped over the shoulders.
- Either a halo or extended board behind the head.
- Bling.

**Fenrir Kitsune**

A cape? Possibly the easiest possible thing to make with some green stuff? All this over a cape?

**alphaecho**

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
A cape? Possibly the easiest possible thing to make with some green stuff? All this over a cape?

Eye of the Beholder I guess.

When I think back to my first Canoness, the one with the combi-flamer, I'm sure only the raised icon in her other hand made her stand out from a Sister.

Now the second metal Canoness had a lovely fur cape.....

I still do not see why a Canoness would have to HAVE a cape. Plenty of scope to do up a Superior model. I used to use basic Sisters as Superiors all the time. I distinguished them by painting the robes purple rather than black for the Order Of The Valourous Heart. Makes the model stand out from a basic trooper, no actual bling or converting required.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

alphaecho wrote:
When I think back to my first Canoness, the one with the combi-flamer, I'm sure only the raised icon in her other hand made her stand out from a Sister.

She had 1,5 times the mass of a sister superior, and iirc (not sure) she had the cool brasero on the backpack.