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2019/04/15 21:14:32
Subject: GW 2019 Community Survey -- live page 6/now
Had to explain that 'organized play' wasn't a thing that happened around here.
Was it just me, or were they talking around the possibility of the return of Games Day or similar events?
I participated. It was longer than I was expecting and was a bit more leading than I would have liked. I tried to keep my responses brief since it didn't seem like the survey wanted anything more than a couple of lines of text.
Thing is, large text inputs tend to get problematic for surveys. If you want actionable, quantifiable input you need some leading, and less text boxes.
There were definitely too many text boxes, some of them attached to questions that didn't even make sense. What new 'features' would I like on WarCom? Especially followed by what types of articles I would prefer. I... don't have any use for whatever a 'feature' would be on a website. I mostly want preview articles. And fewer terrible comics.
That said, I found myself having to explain the existence of some of their old games and that PC and Console games are different things.
Lord Damocles wrote: I'm pretty sure that GW is aware that people want plastic Aspects and Tomb Kings, anyway.
I'm not. I'm not even sure that the survey writers were aware older GW games/products/model lines even exist. If they were, they were very, very careful never to mention them.
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2019/04/15 21:58:38
Subject: GW 2019 Community Survey -- live page 6/now
Voss wrote: I'm not. I'm not even sure that the survey writers were aware older GW games/products/model lines even exist. If they were, they were very, very careful never to mention them.
They were very careful to either not mention at all, or limit comment on a lot of subjects, it seems.
White Dwarf was just glossed over, for example with no opportunity to point out/comment on the generally terrible quality of the product. I assume that they're gearing up to scrap it entirely in favour of an an expanded online offering - hence the questions which essentially asked 'what content from White Dwarf do you want Community to publish?'
2019/04/15 22:51:52
Subject: Re:GW 2019 Community Survey -- live page 6/now
Lets all band together and ask for Plastic eldars/Plastic models in general and a big rolling FAQ PDf doc that can be updated regularly rather than 90+ baby FAQ's.
I also mentioned that I'm most unhappy when they don't get their rules correct.
We have the power for we are many and mighty!!! We can do it my brothers and sisters!
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
White Dwarf was just glossed over, for example with no opportunity to point out/comment on the generally terrible quality of the product. I assume that they're gearing up to scrap it entirely in favour of an an expanded online offering - hence the questions which essentially asked 'what content from White Dwarf do you want Community to publish?'
That does make a lot of sense. I don't think I personally would bother even going to my local Games Workshop to pick up a White Dwarf for free since that isn't my FLGS despite being closer. I don't have any nostalgia of it, and I can't see any content that won't be on the internet in some way or another even bother making the trip and having a physical product I don't want to keep and therefor generating more waste. Magazines are pretty much a dead medium especially one that offers no real content save advertising single brand with a very narrow product range. I certainly can't see White Dwarf even breaking even and have my doubts about its power of advertising since it is probably preaching to the choir so to speak.
Anything worth bothering putting in White Dwarf would be excellent material for the Community page. And their community page is only a couple of buttons away from their marketplace and probably much cheaper to maintain to boot. While I would be hard pressed to actually order anything directly from the Games Workshop site since they well out of impulse purchase prices, I think the idea of funneling people to your site with the idea that they might visit and buy things there is sound. Or at very least keeping Game Workshop fresh in the minds of their customers. It probably worked on me with this recent Chaos Space Marine release.
2019/04/15 23:09:09
Subject: GW 2019 Community Survey -- live page 6/now
One thing I really liked was that in many of the multiple choice questions, there were options that I wouldn't have thought would be included. The option for points changes every 3 months? Yes bloody please. I advocated that.
I liked it overall, although it was quite long winded, I like how they had it in sections. It's very nice to know they are focusing on events, even though their throne of skulls are the ideal thing for me, that they want to expand and get better at doing large events.
Mentioned digital books with updates after FAQ's, mentioned about more options in codexes and freedom to convert, like everyone else straight up told them stuff costs A LOT.
Only thing i really asked them was that when a product is announced, if they can give a release date so it can be budgeted for accordingly rather than playing the guessing game of if and when.
2019/04/16 03:51:44
Subject: GW 2019 Community Survey -- live page 6/now
This is what I (and about a dozen others who copypasta'd) said:
Oi, listen up ya gitz! Dis is Da Red Gobbo, and I heard you lot was takin a survey of da Kommunity. Im here to giv ya da perspektiv of the Grotletariat on behaff of da Gretchin Revolushunary Kommittee and make shure our voices git herd ova the shoutin and yellin of the Borkgeoisie. Below is our Manyfesto of Demandz:
1. (Re)Introduction of Rebel Grotz as a playable faction on the tabletop - We'z all green, after all, and our revolushunary compatriorks on Vigilus alreddy seemz to be risin up to throw off da shakkles of servitude
2. Bring back the Black Gobbo - As a young snotling new ta da hobby, da red gobbo enjoyed readin his feetured kolumn on yer website every week - betta den da White Dwarf e wuz, bring 'im bak on WarCom!
3. (Re)Introduction of Kroot Mercenaries as a playable faction on the tabletop - Dey may not be Grots, but dey is more dan willin' to take ar teef n' help us fight da Orks! I rekkon day also haz a Revolushun of their own to fight wit dem blueboys on T'au.
4. Additional Auxiliary Races for the T'au - No Taxashun Witout Representashun! Or sumfin' like dat. Dey is under-represented minorities dey is, dey deserv mor' opportoonity on da table, 'speshully since dem blueboys keep tellin' everyone that dey is sum sort of multi-rashul Empire. Allz dey got iz dem poor bird-brained Kroot and the buzzyboy Vespids. We knowz dey got some humies workin' wit dem too, and rumor iz dey got sum rock-krystal peeple in sekret.
5. Rough Riders for Astra Militarum - Kannon to da right o dem, Kannon to da leff o dem, Kannon in front o dem, Volley n Thund'r! Kno' who likes a gud horsey-boy? Da Red Gobbo does, n lotsa Guard playas do too!
6. More unit options for the Militarum Tempestus - Da poor gitz don't even hav a heavy support or fast attack choice, poor ladz cannae take a Brigade Detachment. Howz bout a Snipa Team (wit anti-tank rifles!) or Kombat Enguneers? Or a rite n proppa assault buggy!
7. Plastic Aeldari Aspect Warriors - Hasnt it been long enuff? N DONT FORGET DA FEENIX LORDS!
8. Introduction of Crone World Aeldari and Aeldari Exodites as playable factions - Pointy-ears ridin' lizzards! Pointy-ears ridin' daemons! Do tha thing!
9. Introduction of Agents of the Imperium as a playable faction - MAKE INQUISITORS GREAT AGAIN! Giv' us Rogue Traders too!
11. Give Chaos Daemons access to Daemon Engines - Com on ya gitz, the name "Daemon" is rite their in da title! Da Red Gobbo is very angry dat his collection of forgeworld blood slaughterers, brass skorpions, and blight drones dont fit inta iz daemon armies anymore like dey did in 6th n 7th edishuns.
12. Mutalith Vortex Beasts should be a Daemons unit - Same goes for da Slaughterbrute. What is a creature of da warp if it is not a daemon?
13. New plastic guardsmen minis - Da guard might not a broke, but der planet sure did! Cannae Cadian Shock Troopas witout a Cadia, time for a new regiment!
14. Emperors Children and World Eaters get the Death Guard treatment - Deez blokes deserv der own books wit der own Primarks I rekkon, not fair dat da dusty boyz and bloaty boyz get all da glory! Speakin of dusty boyz...
15. Thousand Sons get the Death Guard treatment (again) - Poor ladz play secund fiddle to da beaky-beastie-boyz in der own codex, wut givz? Da Tousand Sonz need some more karakter and dedicated legion unitz like da bloaty boyz get wit da Plagueburst Crawler n da Bloat Drone.
16. Another Imperial Primarch - Rowboat Gillyman is a weaklin', Rogal Dorn could pummel im gud wit iz hand cut off! I hear dat El'Jonson bloke is also havin imself a wee bit o a nap, maybe its time for him to wake up? How bout Vulkan? Russ? Khan? Corax? Anybody? Dis ting on?
17. Bring back the Wall of Martyrs terrain line (Firestorm Redoubt, Aquila Strongpoint, Plasma Obliterator, Vengeance Weapon Batteries) - Dey is outta produkshun, but da red gobbo wants em (n doesnt wanna give hundreds o teef to da freebotaz on orkbay!)
18. Balance Necrons - All dem skelly boyz is still overcosted points!
19. Make Terminators more survivable - Da brainboyz suggested the following rule fer termies:
Terminator Armor - Weapons with an AP value of -1 are treated as having an AP value of 0 instead. Units with Terminator armor may re-roll failed saves against weapons with a modified AP value of 0.
20. Make Power Armor more survivable - Da brainboyz suggested the following for mahreenz:
Power Armor - Units with Power Armor may re-roll failed saves against weapons with an AP value of 0.
21. Update Forgeworld rules to bring them in line with the Codexes - No Chapter Traits fer Carcharadons or Minotaurs? Death Korps n Elysians witout Doctrines? No strategems for anyun? Wot givs mate?
22. Better terrain rules - We'z needz betta terrain rules. We want Area Terrain and non-true Line of sight, like in 4th edishun (but betta!).
23. Reintroduction of The Lost and The Damned as a playable faction - Not jus' traitor guardsmen, but mixed forces of renegades n traitors as iz right n proppa!
24. Reintroduction of Eldar Corsairs as a playable faction - Forgeworld did em dirty, bring em back!
25. Give us an app - Jus like the one fer Age of Sigmar, wit datasheets n rulez at ar fingatips n buyable bookz n a built in army builder.
26. Clearer indicators of which products have limited availability - Da Red Gobbo gets confused bout wut he should spend his teef on, sumtimez he tries to buy a box n finds out that the box is out of producshun n innit comin back.
27. Netflix/HBO & Chill - Da Red Gobbo is very sad that Game o Thrones is comin to n end... maybe you lot haz sumfin you can bring to the telly to fill da void?
28. Age of Sigmar - My cuzzin in da Mortal Realms tells me you lot iz doin good there, keep doin what ya doin (and giv them humie gits a cogfort).
29. Battlefleet Gothic - Bring back da spaceshipz!!
30. Man O War - Bring back da wetshipz too!! My cuzzin in da Mortal Realms says dey got plenty of water ta float on.
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CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
2019/04/16 04:07:13
Subject: Re:GW 2019 Community Survey -- live page 6/now
Argive wrote:Lets all band together and ask for Plastic eldars/Plastic models in general and a big rolling FAQ PDf doc that can be updated regularly rather than 90+ baby FAQ's.
I also mentioned that I'm most unhappy when they don't get their rules correct.
We have the power for we are many and mighty!!! We can do it my brothers and sisters!
I echoed most of your sentiments Argive. I grumbled about prices when they asked what the biggest barrier to entry was. I asked to have most old FAQs all bundled into one downloadable file. I also mentioned the poor quality of their written publications. I did not, however ask for plastic aspects as I had planned. The issues I encountered with the new flight pegs recently bought those to the forefront for me, so I chose to mention those as the "one thing" I would change.
2019/04/16 05:08:18
Subject: GW 2019 Community Survey -- live page 6/now
Mainly complained about balance but to be fair it did come up in a lot of places (events, what to improve in general etc). I also feel some of their sections were a bit leading, and the WD section was pretty pointless because it didn't really provide anywhere to explain why I don't rad it any more.
Similarly, they don't ask why you don't play AoS or Adeptus Titanicus, for example. That feels like a huge missed opportunity.
2019/04/16 10:18:25
Subject: GW 2019 Community Survey -- live page 6/now
The lack of support for specialist games in GW stores.
We wanted to get into Blood Bowl last year, and nowhere had it in.
The same with Necromunda. Getting a new player started stops when they drop in to get a squad, and there's no sign on the shelves.
Online-only is not an impulse-buy.
Slipspace wrote: Mainly complained about balance but to be fair it did come up in a lot of places (events, what to improve in general etc). I also feel some of their sections were a bit leading, and the WD section was pretty pointless because it didn't really provide anywhere to explain why I don't rad it any more.
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There was a question on, I think, frequency (how often you bought WD) that had a text box option. I just added 'not this century' there,
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2019/04/16 11:56:26
Subject: GW 2019 Community Survey -- live page 6/now
I was worried that there wouldn't be a place to take them to task on one specific topic, but thankfully that last page came about.
"If Games Workshop could do one thing..."
What I said wrote:I've said my piece on the state of 40K's rules (specifically that of the Force Org Chart and how it is meaningless).
I've said my piece on the design ethos of making everything more mono-pose and removing options that I believe is stifling creativity, infecting the rules (the Chaos Lord vs. Death Guard Chaos Lord example I gave), and even the artwork (no mini = no rule = no artwork).
But there is one last (double-barrelled) thing that needs to be addressed, so let's get to it:
Now I'm certain that the poor damned souls deep in the Administratum that are reading these survey results will be sick to their eyeballs about hearing about prices, but my issue here isn't just "OMG! Such high prices!", it is in fact more specific to two areas. May get a little mad with the second point, so be forewarned.
1. Regional Pricing.
This is a big problem.
I fully acknowledge that as an Australian I live a long way from everywhere else in the world. However large the continent of Australia may be, we are still a small southern hemisphere country thousands and thousands of miles away from the larger population centres of the world.
Australians (and our little brothers in Kiwiland) all understand that shipping to Australia will add to the cost of products, and that local prices have to reflect the realities of rental costs for your GW stores and the overheads of maintaining a warehouse full of products on the other side of the planet to your main production hubs.
-BUT-
The price differential that people outside of the UK, especially in places such as Oz, NZ, Japan, Brazil and a few others is simply ludicrous. I cannot -CANNOT- stress this enough.
Picking a not-so-random example: Blightlord Terminators. AUD$98. £35. £35 is, roughly, AUD$65.
Why is someone in Australia paying 150% the cost for something that is the same product?
Shadowspear. $290 £105. Converted we are paying roughly 158 quid for something you get for £105.
Freight/shipping costs aren't a valid excuse. "Minimum wage" isn't a valid excuse. Even shifting exchange rates don't work as an excuse.
This is absurd and you need to get a handle on it. It is punishing to be a Warhammer fan the further you get outside of the UK.
Worse, you won't even let us purchase overseas due to your trade terms with independent stockists.
And the reason I said "not so random" choices is because the price for this survey lists multiple products worth £35 each, which indicates to a lot of us that that's what a box of 10 Sisters will cost. 10 Sisters will therefore end up costing around AUD$100, more than your already super-overpriced 7-man Deathguard squad that costs as much as 10 Rubric Marines.
The days of across-the-board GW prices rises may have ended, but you appear to shift the price goal posts with each new release, and it only gets harder for us across the pond to keep up.
2. Forge World Regional Pricing.
This is the big one, the one you really screwed up the most with, and the one I've been -itching- to get off my chest.
For years I've been getting FW catalogues with FW products. They were a cool way to show off the whole range (now shrinking for some reason). The weird part about these catalogues was that they contained £, USD and AUD pricing.
Bit weird, eh? You only charge in pounds, so why would there be other prices? And why would the prices for US and Oz players be higher than the UK ones. Never made sense.
Then you announced regional pricing. I watched a lot of people celebrate this idea, but I immediately knew what was about to happen. Those weird prices that were never charged in all the FW catalogues? Those were about to become a reality.
And overnight - literally overnight - the prices of FW products to Australians went up by between 50% and 100%.
Now, as I said in point 1, we Australians acknowledge that we are very far away, and that there are logistical costs involved in shipping mass product to our tiny corner of the world.
But Forge World has no such overheads.
Forge World isn't being stocked in stores.
Forge World send orders out on an individual basis, and charge shipping. So why am I paying more for the -same product- that's coming from the -same factory- in the UK.
The only difference is that it's going to an AUD address rather than a UK address, and somehow this comes with a price increase is 40%-100%???
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MINDS???
WHY am I paying more for this? What justification is there for this? I am paying shipping costs already, shouldn't a higher shipping costs (and the sales tax our government adds on) be the only difference? Why is the initial price of the product itself more expensive?
Explain this!!!
But you made it worse. Oh yes. You foisted the -LIE- that it was a benefit as we no longer had to pay "expensive" currency conversion fees. I've never paid an "expensive" currency conversion fee in. my life.
The largest FW order I ever did was about AUD$1300, and I paid import taxes on that, and that's fine 'cause that's the law. The currency conversion fee, was a few bucks. Nothing more. And certainly nothing to justify such a massive regional price increase.
This is the worst thing you have done in the past year, and it is something you need to fix immediately.
I -WILL NOT- pay more for the same product from Forge World when it is coming from the same damned factory in the UK, and I'm already paying shipping.
You won't like this being said to you, but I'm part of a number of 40K buy/sell/swap groups, and as soon as you made this regional pricing decision the talk of recasting went through the roof (and not just because recasters often have better QA than FW does... but that's a different issue).
FW regional pricing is basically a scam to get additional money out of non-UK residence and there is literally no benefit in doing so. It's like being able to buy something in a store near you, but you move 2 blocks down the road, and suddenly they charge you more just because you're further away when you're making the trip to the store.
Fix this. Immediately. And apologise for your deceptive and outright pathetic "expensive currency conversion fee" nonsense. It's worse than when you tried to pretend that "Finecast" was somehow better quality (look how that turned out!).
Told you I'd get mad in the second point.
Then in the final thoughts I said that they were good, but need to be better.
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A new plastic kit for Veteran Guardsmen.
Veterans get doctrines and specialized wargear, Carapace Armor, Hellgun too.
Vanquisher Tank to be actually useable.
New Regiments/Regiment builder.
No new Primarchs and if, not those who are dead for good! And if then: Wulfen Russ, cloned Ferrus, Khan, Lion or Vulcan are the only options.
No new Imperium factions. We already have enough.
New, less-humanoid Xenos race (Reptilian, Avian, Molluscoid, Anthropoid (Stellaris has some good ideas), Goo or sentient machines (Yes, Men of Iron)), or some of the existing, Hrudd, Slann etc....
All point cost/rule changes in a free, regularly updated summary/PDF. (CA would be purely a supplement)
More Killteam expansions, some focused on roleplay (I miss the old Mordheim)
Veterans addressed
Vanquisher addressed
Regiments addressed
Primarchs forgotten
No new imperium factions forgotten
New senos race forgotten
Points rules forgotten
Killteam expansion forgotten
However,
AdMech having identity crysis addressed additionally
Tanks/transports for AdMech addressed additionally
Scions having identity crysis addressed additionally
Scions being good only as suicide units addressed additionally
Flamers being useless addressed additionally
IG codex bloat addressed additionally, requested making units more stronger rather than cheaper
Macharius tanks being useless addressed additionally
Avenger Strike fighter having 7 shots while Knight has 12 shots with the same weapon addressed additionally
Mordheim revival addressed additionally
CP farms/Soup stratagem limitations addressed additionally
Lord Damocles wrote: I'm pretty sure that GW is aware that people want plastic Aspects and Tomb Kings, anyway.
Well it worked for Sisters of Battle didn't it?
I wrote this
My “least favorite things about GW”:
- The lack of transparency, and the lack of sustainability of the various range and armies. No way to know how much support an army is going to get in the support. Some armies may be neglected for decades (Sisters of Battle), some might be completely abandoned (Kroot mercenaries, Dogs of War for WFB), some entire game system may disappear.
- The new 40k lore, which focus way too much on being a story instead of being a setting. I don't want to play subfactions (chapters, regiment, craftworld, …) and characters that were created and designed by GW, I want them to give me rules and inspiration to create my own. All 40k lore should be about fleshing up more different aspect of the setting, not an advancing story with a few characters that influence the whole setting! And I especially dislike the fleshing out and the return of primarchs (old legends are so more interesting as legends than as actual characters), and the return of technological advancement through primaris marine, which remove the quite unique and very interesting theme of technological decay from 40k.
- Please please please stop keeping the name in English in the middle of French texts, at least when the translation already exist in the real world! I don't mind if genestealers stay genestealers, but commissars should be commissaires!!!
- Profile creep, i.e. the profile of new weapons being way stronger than old weapons. For instance, the new Chaos rotor cannon being so much stronger than a heavy bolter, while the weapon is about the same size, even if balanced by point cost, make the heavy bolter seem like a WEAK weapon…
New functionality for Warhammer-Community:
RSS FEEDS!!!!
One thing to make GW stuff more enjoyable:
Take clear engagement and make those explicit about faction support. Be honest if a faction is likely to get dropped in next edition (say, Kroot mercenaries), have a clear (if approximate) schedule about when each faction is getting new models, …
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2019/04/16 13:35:50
Subject: GW 2019 Community Survey -- live page 6/now
Plastic aspect warriors
Blackstone Fortress expansions focusing less on Chaos and more on lesser known Xenos/ Xenos in general.
A proper thought process when it comes to fragile models. Eg Eldar ranger from BSF (Rifle snapped instantly)
A serious consideration for updating digital books to match FAQs, there is no point in digital editions without the updates
I asked for a nerf of soup again, because I don't enjoy that part of the game outside of narrative or open play.
I noted the issue with fragile models as well - I've got some slaanesh fiends infront of me and they are darn fantastic looking models but my gods they are fragile!
The originals in all metal were tough - these ones the tail is thin, the arms are long and thin, the hair is thin , the tongues are thin - you almost can't grab any part of it without touching something fragile. It's fine on the table away from anything else, but moving, transporting, living with them is a bit more tricky.
Heck Khinerai are even worse as they wobble some on their tail connections to the base - again fantastic looking sculpt don't get my wrong I love owning them. I just feel that GW should do some more work making models a bit less display adn a bit more practical play.
Size is also an issue - esp with fragile parts because it makes them that much harder to transport. Time once was most things were easy to throw in a foam box - now I'm looking at fiends and thinking "darn it how do you even put that in a foam holder without it catching/snagging on the foam and snapping an end of plastic off.
A legitimate option now is to use magnetic trays, which I'm considering for my Dark Eldar and Eldar, but the issue arises when you have a fragile model in a boxed game and that might be the person's first intro to Warhammer. You've paid a premium for a board game with models only for it to break without play. CAD models are nice but I think there's a loss in translation when they produce the finished piece.
The more I think about the questions asked, the more I could have written. :/
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Asked for tweaks to help curb Soup Abuse. It’s not that I particularly begrudge the classic examples (Loyal 32 type stuff), so much that it’s a trick only one faction can do, Imperium. I suggested tweaks to how they generate CP, and/or who can use them.
I also asked for BSF to keep to the shadowy regions of 40k lore, and to use that to demonstrate more Xenos species, specifically referencing those glimpsed in this pic.
20 years ago they teased me with that. Now it’s time for pay-off
Necron, Clawed Fiend, Harlequin Neuro Disruptor, tyranid spore mine, Kroot, Ambull....I see three things on this bit of pencil-drawn rogue trader art that do not have current official models. Not counting the power maul, since we have those in many different forms.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2019/04/16 17:52:37
Subject: GW 2019 Community Survey -- live page 6/now
Lord Damocles wrote: I'm pretty sure that GW is aware that people want plastic Aspects and Tomb Kings, anyway.
Well it worked for Sisters of Battle didn't it?
Did it though?
I know that GWclaim that they decided to revisit Sisters because of the 2017 survey, but it's not like GW don't blatantly lie... (remember that time they claimed they wanted feedback on 8th edition rules when the book must have already been printed? yeah.)
They revisited Genestealer Cults - are we really supposed to believe that Sisters weren't on their radar already? They referenced the plastic Sisters meme before Celestine was released, so they were obviously aware that there was a desire to see plastic Sisters prior to the survey.
GW have obviously been pushing more female models over the last couple of years, but apparently they didn't consider redoing the primary female faction until the survey results came in? Even after releasing Celestine?
The iconography concept designs which they released are marked copyright 2017 - the survey was conducted in November, so within a month they had analysed the results, decided to redo Sisters (did they have nothing else taking up the design time?) and started cranking out concept art, presumably all before Christmas?
We don't even actually know whether loads of people did mention Sisters on the 2017 survey, since GW never gave us any feedback on the results beyond that singular point (despite saying that they would share the results at the outset).
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2019/04/16 21:56:19
Subject: GW 2019 Community Survey -- live page 6/now
I wanted them to fix up their terrain rules,
Propperly update all armies (fw index lists - GK)
Stop selling the balance Patch,
adressing soup,
Their pricing,
Pricing in conjunction with the new boxes (basic equipment not even available for the whole squad cough.)
Stopping the fact that there are now 90 documments for the game.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
2019/04/17 10:56:46
Subject: Re:GW 2019 Community Survey -- live page 6/now
No new Primarchs and if, not those who are dead for good! And if then: Wulfen Russ, cloned Ferrus, Khan, Lion or Vulcan are the only options.
No new Imperium factions. We already have enough.
New, less-humanoid Xenos race (Reptilian, Avian, Molluscoid, Anthropoid (Stellaris has some good ideas), Goo or sentient machines (Yes, Men of Iron)), or some of the existing, Hrudd, Slann etc....
More Killteam expansions, some focused on roleplay (I miss the old Mordheim)
That's ironic. I actually asked for no new xeno races, because I feel like we already have enough, and fewer or no new KillTeam expansions.
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2019/04/17 13:08:24
Subject: Re:GW 2019 Community Survey -- live page 6/now
Hawky wrote:That's ironic. I actually asked for no new Xeno races, because I feel like we already have enough, and fewer or no new KillTeam expansions
That's interesting. Why no new Kill Team expansions? They are all non-mandatory to play. And co-op/roleplay one (team or just specialists against hordes of Orks, Nids, zombies with an ocassional boss to defeat etc...) would surely be at least interesting to see.
And I think we have TOO many Imperial factions, some new xeno would be a welcome change in my opinion.
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Slipspace wrote: Mainly complained about balance but to be fair it did come up in a lot of places (events, what to improve in general etc). I also feel some of their sections were a bit leading, and the WD section was pretty pointless because it didn't really provide anywhere to explain why I don't rad it any more.
Similarly, they don't ask why you don't play AoS or Adeptus Titanicus, for example. That feels like a huge missed opportunity.
They think everyone IS playing AOS, so no need to ask the question...
People have different tastes. Someone who loves Sci-Fi may not enjoy Fantasy, and vice versa.
Adeptus Titanicus is still a niche game within a niche Hobby. And it’s a cracking game enjoyed by a lot of people. If you ask why others don’t play it? Well, that’s a question with a mind boggling number of answers. And if it’s gameplay? It doesn’t mean the current gameplay is flawed etc.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
Has anyone addressed the invulnerable save bloat? I kinda forgot.
(Invulnerable saves on already though models that go as high as 3+, making the unit pain in the arse to kill)
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