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I agree Commisars are not the kind of prototite that would fall willingly into Chaos. But thats not how Chaos works most of the time. Most of the time the warp just changes your perception of reality, your own mind, and drives you insane.

Great models, let’s hope they are heralds of proper traitor guard!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, we are getting a further expansion in the form of Combat Arena, with new heroes. Or rather, it’ll contain rules for us to use them in BSF.

From the original announcement wording, I do not believe Combat Arena will contain the rules for BSF. The impression I got was that the models will be available in Combat Arena first (which is a bookstore release like the cut down blood bowl from last year) but the same models would be included in a future BSF release as well.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, we are getting a further expansion in the form of Combat Arena, with new heroes. Or rather, it’ll contain rules for us to use them in BSF.

In essence, I’m not treating Ambull and Overlords as entirely representative. We’re still in the early days of the game. Nothing stopping more expansive, erm, expansions in the months to come.

I thought they said they’d likely come out for BSF at some point (I took it to assume that they’d release the sprue as a box update for BSF specifically, rather than the ‘buy this box and it’ll have some stuff for a different game too’ though as we know they do stick rules for various systems in various games etc).
I can’t remember their exact wording now..

 Crimson wrote:
Well. I just want a properly supported non-marine Chaos mortal faction. You can trow beastmen and dark mech in it as well.

Well, the Beastmen don't really interest me too much, but Dark Mechanicus sure would though.

Traitor Guard though...cool models, just not very interesting to me.

I could easily see BSF getting more than one type of expansion. GW have referred to both this new set, and the Ambull box as adventure packs. They could have similar sized explorer packs for new heroes, and large campaign packs with more models for both sides.

 H wrote:

Traitor Guard though...cool models, just not very interesting to me.

Well, yeah I really don't see any meaningful difference between cultists and traitor guard, they're bot normal people who worship chaos. But I want the option to build full army of such, with variety of units and characters. (And no, that FW trash doesn't count. Whoever though that separately assigning a random stat in every unit in a really high model count army was good idea shouldn't be allowed to write any rules ever again.)

 Crimson wrote:

 H wrote:

Traitor Guard though...cool models, just not very interesting to me.

Well, yeah I really don't see any meaningful difference between cultists and traitor guard, they're bot normal people who worship chaos. But I want the option to build full army of such, with variety of units and characters. (And no, that FW trash doesn't count. Whoever though that separately assigning a random stat in every unit in a really high model count army was good idea shouldn't be allowed to write any rules ever again.)

It worked fine in 7th edition, it's just so bad in 8th.

loving the new models but its a shame they come as part of some gakky game again though, I cant wait until that Ogryn is released on its own.

 Rayvon wrote:
loving the new models but its a shame they come as part of some gakky game again though, I cant wait until that Ogryn is released on its own.

That specific Ogryn, and all of the Blackstone Fortress models, will likely never be released on their own. They are part of this game. Get the box and chuck the cards and non-40k relevant stuff that comes with it.

I do hope that these lead into a Traitor Guardsmen codex. It'd be so simple. Just do what they did with GSC early on.

A. Upgrade sprues for basic guardsmen and vehicles.
B. A couple of unique kits for 'more heretical' troops and mutants
C. A couple of named-but-not-really-named characters

Done. Then, Chaos players can stop complaining about Imperial Soup because they can do it too.

Where do you see what they revealed?

drbored wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
loving the new models but its a shame they come as part of some gakky game again though, I cant wait until that Ogryn is released on its own.

Yeah. If you want those two, just grab the BSF box. It's probably around the same price as the Ambull one, and that was €45 / 60USD - which is basically the same as what you'd probably have to pay if they'd actually sell them on their own. Severina Raine is 35USD, an Abominant is 25USD - comparable models, comparable price.


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torblind wrote:
Where do you see what they revealed?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/11/breaking-news-from-gama/

To further add into the BSF models all of them so far Ambull included are easy to build, so i wouldn't expect single releases for any of them.

Around an hour until the next reveal.

Place your bets, please.

One thing I liked about the old Forge World rules (not the current Index) was that they allowed a very wide variety of human (and semi-,human) forces to be represented.

Cultist rabble uprising
Well trained and equiped renegade Imperial Guard
Poorly trained and equipped PDF
Rogue Mechanicus pursuing something deemed heretical
Pirates and mercenaries
Mutant serfs of the CSM

More things than what's on my list could be represented. Also, they did not need to be devoted to Chaos.

Under the current rules we're pretty much stuck with Chaos-worshipping rabble.

ETA: If they don't worship Chaos it is easier to represent rogue Imperial forces with standard rules, but Forge World including the option was a nice touch.

Y’know. Codex Heretics has a ring to it, and coversa great many, ahem, sins.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Like the Chaos Ambull?

Ya, it goes with the Chaos drones and the Chaos Ur-ghul. Granted that's the only Chaos in the box, but...

One non-Chaos thing then back on the Chaos throttle. And we know those Imperial characters are coming for BSF because only Chaos and the Imperium care about BSFs.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Around an hour until the next reveal.

Place your bets, please.

A new Warband for Underworlds.

HH boxset

People seem to think a chaos marine reveal is coming, but I kinda feel they'll save that for adepticon, I'd imagine the next 2 will be the underworlds next release, then more details about the upcoming sigmar game.

 Chairman Aeon wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Like the Chaos Ambull?

Ya, it goes with the Chaos drones and the Chaos Ur-ghul. Granted that's the only Chaos in the box, but...

One non-Chaos thing then back on the Chaos throttle. And we know those Imperial characters are coming for BSF because only Chaos and the Imperium care about BSFs.

Because all the good guys are Imperium, eh? And all the bad guys from the core box are chaos, too.

So far it seems like a good mix, I wouldn't be surprised to see any kind of infantry/monster model show up, because it's not the faction(!) that's showing up, it's individuals. Like an Aeldari ranger or a machine that's clearly a robot and not an AI. Trust it.

The last seminar(8pm) is today(wednesday in europe and tuesday in USA ) or tomorrow (Thursday in europe and wednesday in USA ?

zamerion wrote:
The last seminar(8pm) is today(wednesday in europe and tuesday in USA ) or tomorrow (Thursday in europe and wednesday in USA ?

It's Wednesday at 8 PDT.

zamerion wrote:
The last seminar(8pm) is today(wednesday in europe and tuesday in USA ) or tomorrow (Thursday in europe and wednesday in USA ?

Next reveal is in about three quarters of an hour, and the final reveal will be four hours after that, so around 4 in the morning for us continental West Europeans.

 Insane Ivan wrote:

zamerion wrote:
The last seminar(8pm) is today(wednesday in europe and tuesday in USA ) or tomorrow (Thursday in europe and wednesday in USA ?

Next reveal is in about three quarters of an hour, and the final reveal will be four hours after that, so around 4 in the morning for us continental West Europeans.

No. It will be at 3 a.m. GMT on Thursday.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Insane Ivan wrote:

zamerion wrote:
The last seminar(8pm) is today(wednesday in europe and tuesday in USA ) or tomorrow (Thursday in europe and wednesday in USA ?

Next reveal is in about three quarters of an hour, and the final reveal will be four hours after that, so around 4 in the morning for us continental West Europeans.

No. It will be at 3 a.m. GMT on Thursday.

Oops, you’re right. My bad. Then the schedule is indeed confusing.

drbored wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
loving the new models but its a shame they come as part of some gakky game again though, I cant wait until that Ogryn is released on its own.

That specific Ogryn, and all of the Blackstone Fortress models, will likely never be released on their own. They are part of this game. Get the box and chuck the cards and non-40k relevant stuff that comes with it.

I do hope that these lead into a Traitor Guardsmen codex. It'd be so simple. Just do what they did with GSC early on.

A. Upgrade sprues for basic guardsmen and vehicles.
B. A couple of unique kits for 'more heretical' troops and mutants
C. A couple of named-but-not-really-named characters

Done. Then, Chaos players can stop complaining about Imperial Soup because they can do it too.

Im not going to buy a new box if i have to throw stuff away on principle as its a waste, I just hope like you that it does lead to a traitor codex eventually, hopefully with similar models.

The ogryn actually is pretty cool, but this box will most likely cost more than a box of three normal ogryns. And for 40K you would want more than one ogryn... And the commissar is nothing special.

Going by the number of new pages I expected a CSM reveal or maybe Warcry. Instead there are two pretty mediocre models for BSF/a very cool faction (if R&H happens). The cultist champ with commissar cost from Dark Vengeance seems to be a better aculpt than that, though, and I don't even rate him that high. If I'll ever get around to BSF I'll probably do my own conversions for those two.

 Insane Ivan wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Insane Ivan wrote:

zamerion wrote:
The last seminar(8pm) is today(wednesday in europe and tuesday in USA ) or tomorrow (Thursday in europe and wednesday in USA ?

Next reveal is in about three quarters of an hour, and the final reveal will be four hours after that, so around 4 in the morning for us continental West Europeans.

No. It will be at 3 a.m. GMT on Thursday.

Oops, you’re right. My bad. Then the schedule is indeed confusing.

Is it?
It’s literally on a flow chart


I doubt it’ll be much for either, certainly not a full faction reveal (I know it could be, I just don’t think they will this time).
But here’s hoping!