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They have two dragons and zero feths to give. Now that killing people doesn't make more fodder for the undead, go give Cersei a "warm" thank you for helping out in the North.

More seriously, maybe my prediction on Tyrion helping pull something over on Cersei? Or we're just going to watch him die with a crossbow bolt in the gut.

They'll spend the next episode recovering then building up and getting ready for kings landing, then the next episode will have Cersi die at the end to drag it out, and the last episode will be finishing up all of the storylines and maybe a little cameo here and there plugging whatever spinoff they have on deck for next year.

A fun episode. But I agree with infinite_array’s sentiments above.

A few things that bothered me:

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Worst episode of the worst season of GoT. 8 seasons and years for... that ? Nothing made sense, no answers, nothing... Thanks D and D for ruining a song of ice and fire

Well...

That was pretty good. Nobody that died was unexpected. Though there are a few who I'm not sure if they are alive or dead.

Pretty terrific battle. Good tension, great sense of stakes. Definitely a little empty in terms of narrative though, but hopefully that will play into the rest of the episodes to some degree. While I'm glad there's more to focus on, I'd be disappointed if there's nothing more to it than a big scary monster.

I really do wonder how many people survived. Sure seems like a few hundred at most.

Well, my flabber was thorougly gasted!


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Production value of the episode was immense but it fell kinda short of my expectations. Gonna have to think on it for a week or so till the next episode, see if it sours even more.

I fear given how high expectations are across the board (and how many theories there are), disappointment on some level is unavoidable.

I for one enjoyed it well enough, and am chomping at the bit to see the last three episodes, and how they play out.

And I'll be watching it again tonight. But on my Big TV.

 Grey Templar wrote:

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Is Rheagol alive? He seemed to take a bad hit, but I think we would have had more of a focus on him if he died when he crashed there with Jon.

Same thing with Brienne, and I wasn't sure if Gilly survived either.

Bump for mouseover safety.

And another.

And another

Should be good to go now.

I thought it was pretty good. Jorah has a decent ending. I liked how instead of any dialogue he attempts to say something but dies in the arms of the woman he loved. Theon is finally dead and that's a good thing. As much as I wasn't a fan of Arya as some warrior badass it at least had a decent payoff. Bran gives her the knife, she beats Brienne in the same way that she beats the Night King. The Night King seemed to be enjoying what he was doing, or was certain of his victory. The final look he gives Bran is almost like the dawning realisation that something isn't quite right about this.

I thought they might have tested Jon being a Targaryen with Dragonfire. I actually thought that's what Dany had done when she saves him.

The only thing I didn't like about it was Sam. I mean, how much more incentive to not be a coward does he need?




It seems that Dany wins the favour of the remaining Northerners in this trailer.

Spoiler tags, please.

If you actively look at spoilers, or hover over spoiler threads then you're an idiot tbh. The thread title has a warning. The episode air date is known.

Or you could just show some courtesy, yeah?

I think I might have to watch it again, but this time with a pair of night vision goggles.

Christ that was dark!

The courtesy is discussing it in a spoiler thread.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think I might have to watch it again, but this time with a pair of night vision goggles.

Christ that was dark!

I've seen quite a few peeps comment on the lighting. I think it adds to the mayhem, as it puts us closer to 'battlefield conditions'

I have no idea how they managed to screw up the episode so much... the dumbest way to deal with the greatest threat ever in the history of Westeros.
The living could use at least one competent tactician. It’s as if the tried to kill as much warriors as possible.
A gazillion fake outs.
Dark as gak. (Helms deep battle was during the night, maybe take a few filming clues from there, show creators, huh?)
What’s Brans purpose now? Why warg into crows?
The best javelin thrower misses.
Deus ex machina every 10 minutes.
Confusing pacing at times (where are the characters, why are the thousands of dead, then bar none at the same spots?)
Hugging dudes with plot armor against the wall for 20 minutes.

The best we got- pretty visuals every now and then.

The moment the cavalry hit the undead, I thought I saw massive ice spiders for a moment- nope.
A dozen giants turn into one from “Attack on Titan”, who likes to eat for some reason.

Jeez, I can go and on... I’ll stop, I think.

Re-watching it again, and this is honestly kind of bothering me:

 nels1031 wrote:
Also, lets put the arty up front!

That was legitimately a super weird decision. A lot of work had to have gone into building those siege engines, and they fired maybe 2 shots each, tops.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
The best javelin thrower misses.

He's missed before. If I recall, he's 1 for 3 on javelin tosses... and the first 2, he was on steady ground.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
The moment the cavalry hit the undead, I thought I saw massive ice spiders for a moment- nope.

I just realized that there really will probably never be ice spiders as big as dogs, which I have been wanting ever since season one. Now I know how Cersei felt: she really wanted those elephants.

I thought this was mostly a great episode, but it felt a little anticlimactic the way it went down. I will hold my feelings until I see how the next 3 episodes shake out, though. They've done such a tremendous job with the show so far that I'm going to trust them that it works in the end.

Lots of great moments this episode - the arakhs just plain going out and then silence was superb.

Seriously I don't know what episode you guys are talking about. This was so good! I mean what the heck do you guys want?

"oh the Magic and stuff with the Night King is stupid, lets get to the politics!"

*Threat of night king ends*

"oh well that was it? Now their just going to stretch the plot for 3 more episodes. Some big bad THAT was..."

GAAAH, I hate fans!

I thought it was a weird episode.

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
Seriously I don't know what episode you guys are talking about. This was so good! I mean what the heck do you guys want?

"oh the Magic and stuff with the Night King is stupid, lets get to the politics!"

*Threat of night king ends*

"oh well that was it? Now their just going to stretch the plot for 3 more episodes. Some big bad THAT was..."

GAAAH, I hate fans!

Have you ever thought, that you’re “quoting” different people? If there is a threat (and a bigger one at that) other than other politics, it should be handled accordingly. Not destroyed in an instant, while the whole conflict was anticipated for many many years. But the Night King and all the “winter is coming” vanishes in a puff of smoke. Or was it ice? No clever way of defeating, no bargaining, no heroic sacrifice to kill the main strongest villain (Theon didn’t kill him, so...)

I’m interested what did you like in this episode? Seriously? The only good conclusion to a character so far has been the one of Jorah. Theon - second place. But other than that.. What is there to like? The nonsensical battle? The bizzarly stupid characters behavior (Bran just being bait, Jon putting all the defenseless right next to the dead) the million “I nearly died, but was saved in the last moment?” Or is it The “can’t see a thing part?”

I personally liked that little leader girl (never remember her name) fight with the giant. I think she had the biggest balls in the whole castle. Bigger than clegane's at least.

I liked basically everything. There was no part of the episode that I was not entertained. The Characters not having "Good Character conclusions" is not really an argument. It's GRRM has said repeatedly "The only thing worth writing about is the human heart in conflict with itself." Having all the characters die to an undead horde doesn't really achieve that. Having the characters die to some petty political ambitions or or resolving issue of "their heart in conflict with themselves." is more enjoyable.

Just because people survived this doesn't mean all that much when you look at the setup for everyone leading up to/During this. How poetic is it that is the petty human squabbles that will end people and not the Lord of the Dead.

So, was the Night King a Targaryion?

 godardc wrote:

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Worst episode of the worst season of GoT. 8 seasons and years for... that ? Nothing made sense, no answers, nothing... Thanks D and D for ruining a song of ice and fire

Oh, another thing. I had a real good laugh at Jon's slow motion, "hey just in case you forgot here are the main characters that are totally at risk of being killed off for realsies this time" run through Winterfell.