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Deadpool turns up and Thanos wipes him out of every universe ever for ever using the gauntlet - cheer me up no end.

How many of the Xmen cast have contracts to continue I wonder - I guess the younger ones?

Actually, I kind of think Deadpool is the obvious way to 'link' the two together... Basically, keep the X-men in a separate continuity, for the reasons stated at the start of the thread, but then have Deadpool movies reference both the 'X' universe and the 'Avengers' universe, to mess with people's heads.


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 Mr Morden wrote:

How many of the Xmen cast have contracts to continue I wonder - I guess the younger ones?

Yeah, I believe most of the original cast are done now. Certainly Stewart and Jackman are - they were quite clear about Logan being their last go around.

For the younger crew, contracts all finished after Apocalypse, and then would have been renegotiated for Dark Phoenix - no idea if that was on a single-movie basis or another three, but it wouldn't be too surprising for Disney to choose to reboot the franchise again to take it in their own direction.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Iron Man vs. Magneto...crunch

Have they ever been consistent about whether Magneto can control metals or magnetism? Because if it's the latter I highly doubt "Iron" Man has a scrap of Iron in his suit, and could probably easily avoid nickel or cobalt.

Magnetism. With the caveat that science was not particularly in play. X-men #1 starts with him 'altering his {personal} magnetic waves from positive to negative' so nothing can touch him (even people, not just metal). He then ties up and fences off people with 'magnetic waves' and uses shields of 'magnetic energy.'
I suspect they tone that down later, but the energy shield still pops up from time to time.

Much later he pulls some weird reveal that he's learned to affect 'non-ferrous metals' with magnetism, so honestly it gets a bit whatever.


One of the major features of the MCU is they've largely avoided getting too silly with comics canon. (some exception apply). Going full bore with the x-men (especially just hauling in the film versions) risks upsetting that.

Voss wrote:


Much later he pulls some weird reveal that he's learned to affect 'non-ferrous metals' with magnetism, so honestly it gets a bit whatever..

Ferromagnetism is only one type of magnetism.

 insaniak wrote:

Voss wrote:


Much later he pulls some weird reveal that he's learned to affect 'non-ferrous metals' with magnetism, so honestly it gets a bit whatever..

Ferromagnetism is only one type of magnetism.

Quick, Magneto has made the water slightly more polar!

We're also only going on his own understanding of his powers.

First being able to affect ferrous materials, it's a logical conclusion. But when he can affect other types of metal, one needs to consider further what it is he's actually doing.

Its fair. A lot of mutants dont know what they actually do or have had further revelations on the true nature of their powers.

Iceman and gambit being good examples.

So, what are those true natures/further revelations on Ice Man and Gambit’s powers?

 insaniak wrote:
Yeah, I believe most of the original cast are done now. Certainly Stewart and Jackman are - they were quite clear about Logan being their last go around.

For the younger crew, contracts all finished after Apocalypse, and then would have been renegotiated for Dark Phoenix - no idea if that was on a single-movie basis or another three, but it wouldn't be too surprising for Disney to choose to reboot the franchise again to take it in their own direction.

I think it's an extreme no-brainer that they'll reboot the X-Men to fit the MCU. I honestly didn't realize people were thinking that the Fox X-films would be 'brought into' the MCU when I posted earlier in the thread.

And if people have the idea that rebooted X-Men still won't fit the MCU, they're massively overthinking it. Audiences won't care where the X-Men were during the battle for NYC, just like they didn't care about some of the head-scratching issues in Civil War. MCU continuity isn't as precise as people think, and people go to MCU films for brain candy experiences anyway.

But, introducing a multi-verse (which is a comic staple) could be an interesting addition to the MCU, and open up even more narrative potential.

Especially if they decide to build up another Thanos type situation?

 insaniak wrote:

Voss wrote:


Much later he pulls some weird reveal that he's learned to affect 'non-ferrous metals' with magnetism, so honestly it gets a bit whatever..

Ferromagnetism is only one type of magnetism.

This. With regards the original point raised (Magneto vs Iron Man) it wouldn't even matter. Iron Man's suit contains wiring, through which electric current flows. When electric current flows, it generates a magnetic field. Magneto would be able to manipulate those magnetic fields or generate his own in order to induce an electric current and wreck the suit regardless.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Voss wrote:


Much later he pulls some weird reveal that he's learned to affect 'non-ferrous metals' with magnetism, so honestly it gets a bit whatever..

Ferromagnetism is only one type of magnetism.

This. With regards the original point raised (Magneto vs Iron Man) it wouldn't even matter. Iron Man's suit contains wiring, through which electric current flows. When electric current flows, it generates a magnetic field. Magneto would be able to manipulate those magnetic fields or generate his own in order to induce an electric current and wreck the suit regardless.

Or the time honored old school solution of just throwing a train engine at Iron Man.

 Frazzled wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Voss wrote:


Much later he pulls some weird reveal that he's learned to affect 'non-ferrous metals' with magnetism, so honestly it gets a bit whatever..

Ferromagnetism is only one type of magnetism.

This. With regards the original point raised (Magneto vs Iron Man) it wouldn't even matter. Iron Man's suit contains wiring, through which electric current flows. When electric current flows, it generates a magnetic field. Magneto would be able to manipulate those magnetic fields or generate his own in order to induce an electric current and wreck the suit regardless.

Or the time honored old school solution of just throwing a train engine at Iron Man.

Also true. Though most heroes in the MCU seem to be inordinately resistant to heavy impacts, even without superpowers

 Frazzled wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Voss wrote:


Much later he pulls some weird reveal that he's learned to affect 'non-ferrous metals' with magnetism, so honestly it gets a bit whatever..

Ferromagnetism is only one type of magnetism.

This. With regards the original point raised (Magneto vs Iron Man) it wouldn't even matter. Iron Man's suit contains wiring, through which electric current flows. When electric current flows, it generates a magnetic field. Magneto would be able to manipulate those magnetic fields or generate his own in order to induce an electric current and wreck the suit regardless.

Or the time honored old school solution of just throwing a train engine at Iron Man.

Thanos threw a moon at him - not enough

 AduroT wrote:
So, what are those true natures/further revelations on Ice Man and Gambit’s powers?

Iceman originally couldnt turn into living ice. Once when he was ice he got stabbed through his body. He was terrified to change back thinking he might be dead. Now he can dissolve himself into a body of water and reform someplace else. Technically he could do the same as a gas though hes never tried. The true extent of icemans powers are vast and untapped.

Gambit has complete control over the kinetic potential in an object. He hasnt managed to charge organic matter but he can. He can also destroy planets. An alternate universe version of him who has realized the full consequence of his abilities is a universe ending villian.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Voss wrote:


Much later he pulls some weird reveal that he's learned to affect 'non-ferrous metals' with magnetism, so honestly it gets a bit whatever..

Ferromagnetism is only one type of magnetism.

This. With regards the original point raised (Magneto vs Iron Man) it wouldn't even matter. Iron Man's suit contains wiring, through which electric current flows. When electric current flows, it generates a magnetic field. Magneto would be able to manipulate those magnetic fields or generate his own in order to induce an electric current and wreck the suit regardless.

That’s how I used to deal with Power Armour in Inquisitor. Trigger machine curse, turn the bugger off. Sure, a Marine was still quite hard, shame they then couldn’t move for toffee

I really am intrigued to see how the MCU incorporates F4 and Mutants. As this thread demonstrates, there are a great number of ways it could be done. Reed Richards, in the comics, is usually the first to start breaking through into other realities. So perhaps beginning there is the sensible option? Hell, one could even go far enough to explain the timeline messiness of X-Men as RR scanning through realities, seeing the same lives lived ways and in different times. That could also open up to really leftfield side projects like 1602 and Zombies etc.

FF are easy. They got stranded in Annihilus’s zone (anti-matter? Infinity? I don’t remember). Avengers could discover the zone and pull them out of it, rescuing them. They had a mission under SHIELD that went haywire, stranding them there, Fury thought they were dead and red-taped their folder. Boom, they’re back.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
FF are easy. They got stranded in Annihilus’s zone (anti-matter? Infinity? I don’t remember). Avengers could discover the zone and pull them out of it, rescuing them. They had a mission under SHIELD that went haywire, stranding them there, Fury thought they were dead and red-taped their folder. Boom, they’re back.

Having them basically be the Robinsons lost in the negative zone for decades seems like the easy setup.

Exactly. There’s complicating things for the sake of complicating them, and then there are the easy decisions that casual movie-goers can grasp with ease while still representing a fun story. Nobody wants a third FF origin movie. The last one was more painful than a prostate exam delivered by Andre the Giant without lube.

Regardless of fit, I think there's a HUGE reason for the MCU to include the X-Men.

Respect.

The MCU has done an INCREDIBLE job portraying the characters it has for one major reason. Respect for the characters. Respect for who they are, respect for the essentials, respect for the setting, and respect for the fans of those characters.

Let's face it, Fox hasn't always shown the characters the respect they deserve. Certain other Disney-owned franchises have also lately been... quite rude to long-running and highly-loved characters and their fans. The MCU, on the other hand, has CONSISTENTLY, for 20-odd movies, delivered entertaining stories that give the characters the respect they deserve.

I want the X-Men to have that chance to shine as they deserve as well.

(And by Jove, the Fantastic Four too! Three tries at the big screen and they STILL haven't gotten a decent showing!)

 timetowaste85 wrote:
FF are easy. They got stranded in Annihilus’s zone (anti-matter? Infinity? I don’t remember). Avengers could discover the zone and pull them out of it, rescuing them. They had a mission under SHIELD that went haywire, stranding them there, Fury thought they were dead and red-taped their folder. Boom, they’re back.

I'm a big FF fan - and I think this could work!

The best possible version of FF in the MCU is the FF are teens in the 60s/70s, experiment send them to the negative zone. Fight Annhilus and escape, time works differently in the Negative zone so they pop back out in the modern day. Dr Doom didn't go with them but gets his face scar in the accident.

You get fun teen FF hanging out with Spider Man and saying "Groovy" and gak but also adult fully realized Dr. Doom running Latveria.

Post Credit Scene. News report of the kids returning with fantastic powers. Zoom out to Doom watching it on a screen. Shakes fist. "Richards!"

That could work too.

The FF will be sooooo much easier to slot into the MCU then the X-Men.

FF with definitely show up first!

Has to be a punch up between The Thing and The Hulk!


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OH, and a throwaway line about how chicks always told Johnny he looks like Captain America....even if the actor doesn't.

I think, if I were to try and add the Fantastic 4 to the MCU, I'd tie their "magic space radiation" origin into some sort of post-Endgame increase in human space exploration program.

I'd try to keep Reed Richards' business enterprise separate to Stark Industries (although the idea of the Avengers moving out of the Stark building in NYC and it becoming the Fantastic 4's HQ instead amuses me somewhat), although Stark's portfolio is so vast it's a little difficult to do that AFAIK.

You could tie Latveria to Sokovia somehow; that gives you a reason for Doctor Doom to be antagonistic, as a third axis against SHIELD and Wakanda.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
We're also only going on his own understanding of his powers.

Not at all, actually. I was quoting the *narrator's descriptions* of his powers. Who is often implied to be the Watcher or Stan Lee himself when it isn't just a neutral omniscient third person point of view.

Power changes are mostly just author retcons. Sometimes they bother with an excuse for it, other times they don't.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:


- The hatred of mutants doesn’t make sense in a world populated by other superheroes. How is Spider-Man beloved and yet the idea of mutants results in hysterical panic and racism. This is a major theme of the X Men. This might fly in a comic but it won’t make sense in a shared cinematic universe. If they hate mutants why don’t they hate other superheroes.

Sorry but I really don't like this idea, that some of the Fox cast started, that hatred of mutants needs to make sense in some way. That's how the Fox movies have approached it, explaining all the rational reasons humans might have to hate mutants, and I think it really undermines the discrimination metaphor, and even puts out harmful ideas about the nature of discrimination. It's prejudice. It's irrational in the real world, it should be just as irrational in the MCU. They should make it that people hate mutants because of intolerance and harmful stereotypes, and the 'scared of their powers' thing is mostly an excuse

I's also a fear that mutants are replacing humans. When that guy can fly and that guy can teleport and that can.... the regular person fears loosing their place in the world.

Right now people are all "immigrants come into my country and take our jobs". What happens when a 90lb teenage girl can build a house with her mind in a matter of hours?

Prejudice against mutants has always been irrational even in the marvel comics, that is what prejudices are.
But the biggest reason why Mutants are fears and not say, Tony is that, mutants vastly outweigh non-mutant super powers.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Prejudice against mutants has always been irrational even in the marvel comics, that is what prejudices are.
But the biggest reason why Mutants are fears and not say, Tony is that, mutants vastly outweigh non-mutant super powers.

Why is it irrational? Its highly rational. In the real world, Xavier would be floating around, controlling everyone Apocalypse style.