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MonkeyBallistic wrote: As a model in its own right, I do like the new Ad Mech vehicles. Having said that, I find myself continuously disappointed that 40k Ad Mech don’t follow similar design choices to the utterly gorgeous Horus Heresy Mechanicum range.
I'll probably catch flakk for this.
But I think the 30K stuff is ugly as sin. Those big plas-mortar robots have the worst looking arms and hands, and the plas-mortars on their backs look like someone glued some metal barrels with a bunch of hoses to the robots shoulder.
The little Thalax robots with the insect heads look atrocious, absolutely some of the worst models in the hobby as far as troops go.
2019/05/13 21:56:02
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
MonkeyBallistic wrote: As a model in its own right, I do like the new Ad Mech vehicles. Having said that, I find myself continuously disappointed that 40k Ad Mech don’t follow similar design choices to the utterly gorgeous Horus Heresy Mechanicum range.
I'll probably catch flakk for this.
But I think the 30K stuff is ugly as sin. Those big plas-mortar robots have the worst looking arms and hands, and the plas-mortars on their backs look like someone glued some metal barrels with a bunch of hoses to the robots shoulder.
The little Thalax robots with the insect heads look atrocious, absolutely some of the worst models in the hobby as far as troops go.
I kinda of agree... at least in relation to the Thalax. They are so random. I mean. I don't think they are bad models but why the heads?
But the tanks of 30k Admech? I don't like those like, at all.
But the worst example of this is Adeptus Custodes. 40k Adeptus Custodes are Gorgeous, but 40k versions of 30k units (Like terminators or jetbikes) are just so inferior.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: As a model in its own right, I do like the new Ad Mech vehicles. Having said that, I find myself continuously disappointed that 40k Ad Mech don’t follow similar design choices to the utterly gorgeous Horus Heresy Mechanicum range.
I'll probably catch flakk for this.
But I think the 30K stuff is ugly as sin. Those big plas-mortar robots have the worst looking arms and hands, and the plas-mortars on their backs look like someone glued some metal barrels with a bunch of hoses to the robots shoulder.
The little Thalax robots with the insect heads look atrocious, absolutely some of the worst models in the hobby as far as troops go.
I kinda of agree... at least in relation to the Thalax. They are so random. I mean. I don't think they are bad models but why the heads?
But the tanks of 30k Admech? I don't like those like, at all.
But the worst example of this is Adeptus Custodes. 40k Adeptus Custodes are Gorgeous, but 40k versions of 30k units (Like terminators or jetbikes) are just so inferior.
Agreed. That Custodian flyer is about the dumbest looking thing I've ever seen.
Personally, I do not buy Forgeworld models (Outside of weapons for my Titants for AT, and the two leviathans I own). There just isn't anything there that interests me and often the rules for those models are beyond OP broken. I perfer to just play with the plastic official GW kits.
2019/05/13 22:55:12
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
My FW Relic Salamanders contemptor is one of my favorite models and compared to the plastic one is not even close.
Thanatars, Ursarax, Domitar look great. Thallax are better than the kataphrons. I will give it to the Kastelan, it does look better than the Castellax.
I hope GW gets off their asses and gives us more stuff. 40k rules for cybernetica, ordinatus, etc.
The Skorpius and whatever the tank will be called hopefully will give us more options for ways to fight rather than gunline.
Data-tether or maybe a force field projector could be a cool gimmick. if there are more than 2 within 6" of each other an Ion shield can protect them from shooting attacks.
Maybe run 2 transports with a tank version up the board it could be a nice way to get vanguard or peltasts to hit hard quickly.
Any idea on tank weapon options? We know it has missles and a big gun(battlecannon). a missile rack or las(whatever) would be my guesses.
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2019/05/13 23:01:02
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
I'm going to have to say that the FW Custodes Tanks and Dreadnoughts are ulta cool. Terminators and jetbikes are about even in my eyes. Not better or worse, just different.
2019/05/13 23:11:11
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
I'll give you the 30K jetbikes, but the 40K terminators are superior to the 30K ones? Pull the other one, it has got bells on. The 30K terminators are orders of magnitude better, and a far better representation of the fantastic artwork that defined the modern Custodes look.
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2019/05/14 00:07:01
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
2019/05/14 00:20:35
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
I really love that artwork of Custodes Terminators but I can't see it in the 30k miniatures. I mean, I can see how the miniatures try to imitate the artwork but they just don't work for me.
I admit is not something as clear as the 30k jetbikes that for me look like spray cans. I have not a problem with the 30k terminators, but I think the 40k are better.
Is true 40k are much different from that concept, but in the end I think they are a better miniature overall.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2019/05/14 01:18:29
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
MonkeyBallistic wrote: As a model in its own right, I do like the new Ad Mech vehicles. Having said that, I find myself continuously disappointed that 40k Ad Mech don’t follow similar design choices to the utterly gorgeous Horus Heresy Mechanicum range.
I'll probably catch flakk for this.
But I think the 30K stuff is ugly as sin. Those big plas-mortar robots have the worst looking arms and hands, and the plas-mortars on their backs look like someone glued some metal barrels with a bunch of hoses to the robots shoulder.
The little Thalax robots with the insect heads look atrocious, absolutely some of the worst models in the hobby as far as troops go.
I kinda of agree... at least in relation to the Thalax. They are so random. I mean. I don't think they are bad models but why the heads?
But the tanks of 30k Admech? I don't like those like, at all.
But the worst example of this is Adeptus Custodes. 40k Adeptus Custodes are Gorgeous, but 40k versions of 30k units (Like terminators or jetbikes) are just so inferior.
Agreed. That Custodian flyer is about the dumbest looking thing I've ever seen.
Personally, I do not buy Forgeworld models (Outside of weapons for my Titants for AT, and the two leviathans I own). There just isn't anything there that interests me and often the rules for those models are beyond OP broken. I perfer to just play with the plastic official GW kits.
Erm, have you read the rules for most FW stuff this edition? Things may be broken, but not in the OP sense (at least since Malefic Lords from R&H got a kicking).
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
2019/05/14 08:49:14
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
Sotahullu wrote: I am actually wondering in what form we are getting rules for this vehicle.
There is already HQ option outside of codex so would it be reasonable to think that we are getting V2 codex also? And if we are getting such thing, is there going to be anything else?
it could be they'll put out a campaign book this summer. we know we're getting an admech transport, a iron hands named character, it strikes me that a admech focused campaign book coming up would make sense.
I could see a campaign book with the Adeptus Mechanicus and Iron Hands against an enemy like the Necrons (since they were not in the Vigilus campaign).
Oooo as just having started getting my necrons to playable force I would so love that one!
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2019/05/14 13:47:18
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
I like the look of the Dunerider, I'm just not a fan of it for Skitarii. The Dunerider is like the landing craft sort of thing a lot of IG players wish existed, but I think the hovercraft look just makes the Skitarii feel lower tech.
I think it should have been a grav tank and at least its easy enough to add the little grav plates to that skirt. I also think the sponsons could have been designed better. I think I'll find a different place to mount the turret gun and have the sponsons represented as a copula mounted weapon at each hatch.
2019/05/14 14:54:44
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
aka_mythos wrote: I like the look of the Dunerider, I'm just not a fan of it for Skitarii. The Dunerider is like the landing craft sort of thing a lot of IG players wish existed, but I think the hovercraft look just makes the Skitarii feel lower tech.
I think it should have been a grav tank and at least its easy enough to add the little grav plates to that skirt. I also think the sponsons could have been designed better. I think I'll find a different place to mount the turret gun and have the sponsons represented as a copula mounted weapon at each hatch.
I think the 'lower tech' thing actually works for Ad-Mech.
To them, the further tech is removed from a sacred STC, the less holy it is. If these are ancient designs, they'll consider them The Best - because they're completely bonkers, and don't really understand technology. They're fanatics, not engineers
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Sotahullu wrote: I am actually wondering in what form we are getting rules for this vehicle.
There is already HQ option outside of codex so would it be reasonable to think that we are getting V2 codex also? And if we are getting such thing, is there going to be anything else?
it could be they'll put out a campaign book this summer. we know we're getting an admech transport, a iron hands named character, it strikes me that a admech focused campaign book coming up would make sense.
I could see a campaign book with the Adeptus Mechanicus and Iron Hands against an enemy like the Necrons (since they were not in the Vigilus campaign).
Oooo as just having started getting my necrons to playable force I would so love that one!
No! You are not allowed to have an enemy in a campaign book that is not Chaos, or at the very least replaced by chaos at the end of the narrative!
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"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2019/05/14 16:30:01
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
aka_mythos wrote: I like the look of the Dunerider, I'm just not a fan of it for Skitarii. The Dunerider is like the landing craft sort of thing a lot of IG players wish existed, but I think the hovercraft look just makes the Skitarii feel lower tech.
I think it should have been a grav tank and at least its easy enough to add the little grav plates to that skirt. I also think the sponsons could have been designed better. I think I'll find a different place to mount the turret gun and have the sponsons represented as a copula mounted weapon at each hatch.
I think the 'lower tech' thing actually works for Ad-Mech.
To them, the further tech is removed from a sacred STC, the less holy it is. If these are ancient designs, they'll consider them The Best - because they're completely bonkers, and don't really understand technology. They're fanatics, not engineers
*handy wavy* - Its just inconsistent in a way I don't like. What you're talking about is like how Marines use rhinos while IG have Chimera and Taurox.. but we know there are plenty of STC templates more advanced than a hovercraft.
2019/05/16 11:07:04
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
In brief. Bad idea for an AFV, interesting possibility for conversions. Frankly all new bits are welcome.
Some elaboration(see h8n) below for those who feel indulgent.
Spoiler:
New model, won't argue. Can see a baby gorgon or anti-grav baby gorgon. Can see that new tank turret being put on a more sensible chassis.
A conventional hovercraft crossed a LCVP is a bad idea. Hovercrafts have to be light to hover, if you're armouring it up you would need to use anti-grav tech to counter this. So it keeps me wondering why a hovercraft.
LCVPs are not designed as an assault transport. They were designed to transport a platoon to a beach.
Hell, hovercrafts set land mines off. (yeah, blowing air down onto a mine, with the force required to hold a vehicle off the ground will set it off.)
I can't see them crossing dangerous terrain because if that rubber belly blows you're proper immoblised. With a tank you might have to replace some track links, this can be done quickly by the crew(even under fire).
Good reason they're not used outside landing craft(nice smooth water to nice smooth beach) or specialist transport in real life. Anti-grav on the other hand is science magic, its good, it's established in imperial forces. The landspeeder has been zooming in the sky above mines and all kinds of jagged and gnarly terrain for millennia.
Also I guess they forgot the Chimera is amphibious and is a troop carrier, and fully enclosed, and the passengers aren't just standing idle till they hop out.
And if you want a tank remove troop capacity and add a bigger turret and gun. In an amphibious assault situation it is basically an improved Amphtrack (yeah, those things the US marines made great use of in the pacific, the things that secured the Rhine crossing points etc)
Also what the hell is with the torpedo tubes on the front of the tank version? Don't tell me they're missiles because that would be a silly idea, you'd turn the inside of the vehicle to slag with the back-blast. If you want a breach loaded missile launcher use a low velocity cannon, that way you can also fire conventional shells as well.
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I'm always fascinated how people these days try to apply real world logic to 'science fiction'.
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2019/05/16 12:59:18
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
aka_mythos wrote: I like the look of the Dunerider, I'm just not a fan of it for Skitarii. The Dunerider is like the landing craft sort of thing a lot of IG players wish existed, but I think the hovercraft look just makes the Skitarii feel lower tech.
I think it should have been a grav tank and at least its easy enough to add the little grav plates to that skirt. I also think the sponsons could have been designed better. I think I'll find a different place to mount the turret gun and have the sponsons represented as a copula mounted weapon at each hatch.
I think the 'lower tech' thing actually works for Ad-Mech.
To them, the further tech is removed from a sacred STC, the less holy it is. If these are ancient designs, they'll consider them The Best - because they're completely bonkers, and don't really understand technology. They're fanatics, not engineers
*handy wavy* - Its just inconsistent in a way I don't like. What you're talking about is like how Marines use rhinos while IG have Chimera and Taurox.. but we know there are plenty of STC templates more advanced than a hovercraft.
For all we know this thing can deep strike, making it I believe the most advanced transport.
