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2019/05/23 07:45:57
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Ambitious Acothyst With Agonizer
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Sotahullu wrote: Kanluwen wrote: Redemption wrote:Why does the unfortunate orphans link to Blood Angels? You'd think they would use sisters or tempestus.
Likely because last edition had Skitarii and Flesh Tearers.
What Skitarii and Flesh Tearers have to do with orphans?
No, it links to blood angels because they are orphans. Sanguinius is dead.
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2019/05/23 15:02:10
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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What I don't get is why heavy stubbers went from rare gun mostly found in FW models to something increasingly common in GW ranges, especially from fluff perspective. Technological regress? Ease of production? I can't see it being logistics, because while it's better than bolter in that regard, lasers still beat them...
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2019/05/23 15:13:45
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Solid shells allow for a variety of payloads which the admech have the means to create. At the same time, they are far less complex and resource intensive than a bolter.
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2019/05/23 15:13:50
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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Irbis wrote:What I don't get is why heavy stubbers went from rare gun mostly found in FW models to something increasingly common in GW ranges, especially from fluff perspective. Technological regress? Ease of production? I can't see it being logistics, because while it's better than bolter in that regard, lasers still beat them... Weren't they always extremely common in the background? They were also present on IG tanks as a pintle mounted hatch weapon, iirc. It actually makes sense that Ad Mech would field more solid projectile weapons than the IG, as the Ad Mech don't have to worry about logistical constraints all that much, being the source of such weapons and ammo, not to mention having a much smaller army and having a smaller theater to operate in.
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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2019/05/23 15:50:34
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Irbis wrote:What I don't get is why heavy stubbers went from rare gun mostly found in FW models to something increasingly common in GW ranges, especially from fluff perspective. Technological regress? Ease of production? I can't see it being logistics, because while it's better than bolter in that regard, lasers still beat them...
I mean...no? Auto/stub guns have always been described as kind of the "baseline gun anyone can create" in the 40k setting, and lower-tech realms of the 40k setting like Necromunda. They just, like a lot of the "deep lore" of 40k, took a bit of a nap between third and sixth edition.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2019/05/23 15:59:21
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Fixture of Dakka
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Heavy stubbers were underrepresented right from the beginning. I can count the number of 1st and 2nd edition models equipped with one on the fingers of one head. It was only after Necromunda popularised them that they eventually started edging out storm bolters as the standard pintle weapon in Imperial Guard tanks, and then got a bit more widespread with the arrival of the Adeptus Mechanicus units.
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2019/05/23 16:39:30
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I think the Heavy Stubbers make certain models more relate-able to their real-world inspiration. Plus they have a sleeker profile than bolt weapons.
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2019/05/23 19:47:49
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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I think it’s also been a shift in sci-fi itself. Used to be you had to have laser weaponry to be “sci-fi”, but a lot of modern sci-fi has ditched the laser and ray guns and gone back to some form of projectile weapon.
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2019/05/24 10:29:51
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Dakka Veteran
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That is a very confused and stupid looking 'tank'.
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2019/05/24 11:43:44
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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What do you mean by that? It's an up-armoured transport with the troop capacity replaced by missiles and a small turret.
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2019/05/24 11:59:10
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Imperial Recruit in Training
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Do we know when this Dunerider will be available to buy?
It kind of looks like a Bradley turned into a pure tank.
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2019/05/24 12:58:20
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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Tanke Tank wrote:Do we know when this Dunerider will be available to buy?
It kind of looks like a Bradley turned into a pure tank.
Based on the latest Regimental Standard, I think very soon - wouldn't be surprised if it went up for pre-order this weekend.
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2019/05/24 13:53:44
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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We’d know if it was going up this weekend. Earliest it’ll be is next weekend.
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2019/05/24 14:39:37
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Terrifying Doombull
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Is anything up for preorder this weekend? I was expecting a Sunday preview article and didn't see one.
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2019/05/24 14:41:57
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Voss wrote:Is anything up for preorder this weekend? I was expecting a Sunday preview article and didn't see one.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/17/forge-world-previews-halflings-and-heroes/
Blood Bowl and Necromunda.
I expect this Sunday's announcement will be the Contrast paints for release on the 15th.
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2019/05/24 14:43:42
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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Voss wrote:Is anything up for preorder this weekend? I was expecting a Sunday preview article and didn't see one.
It was put up last Friday for some reason, rather than the Sunday.
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2019/05/24 15:05:35
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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ImAGeek wrote:
We’d know if it was going up this weekend. Earliest it’ll be is next weekend.
Right, yeah, that’s what I meant. Got pre-order weekend confused with the announcement of the pre-orders a week before.
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2019/05/24 21:29:07
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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maybe not, my local GW manager was saying that there's a GW managerial meeting in 2 weeks where he'll get a chance to play with the new paints, so my guess is that the new contrast line is 3 or 4 weeks out. so yeah 15th or so might work
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2019/05/27 17:28:26
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Mysterious Techpriest
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So, it's not this week, and the week after that it will be the Contrast paints, so in 3 weeks minimum now... The wait is unbearable :(
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2019/05/27 19:08:08
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Aaranis wrote:So, it's not this week, and the week after that it will be the Contrast paints, so in 3 weeks minimum now... The wait is unbearable :(
I'm actually glad for the wait. My initial order is for 4, and they are probably going to be $60 or north. Need to save the monies.
Also on the admech model front, when is the combat arena game coming out? I want that new techpriest.
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2019/06/05 22:03:13
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Calculating Commissar
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AndrewGPaul wrote:Heavy stubbers were underrepresented right from the beginning. I can count the number of 1st and 2nd edition models equipped with one on the fingers of one head. It was only after Necromunda popularised them that they eventually started edging out storm bolters as the standard pintle weapon in Imperial Guard tanks, and then got a bit more widespread with the arrival of the Adeptus Mechanicus units.
I really really hope that if they ever redo the AM infantry squad kit, they will include heavy stubbers as a special weapon option. I'd love to be able to give my Guardsmen squads not-Brens and not-MG34/42s and not-Lewis guns etc
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ChargerIIC wrote:If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is. |
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2019/06/05 22:10:58
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Haighus wrote: AndrewGPaul wrote:Heavy stubbers were underrepresented right from the beginning. I can count the number of 1st and 2nd edition models equipped with one on the fingers of one head. It was only after Necromunda popularised them that they eventually started edging out storm bolters as the standard pintle weapon in Imperial Guard tanks, and then got a bit more widespread with the arrival of the Adeptus Mechanicus units.
I really really hope that if they ever redo the AM infantry squad kit, they will include heavy stubbers as a special weapon option. I'd love to be able to give my Guardsmen squads not-Brens and not-MG34/42s and not-Lewis guns etc
I've said repeatedly that I want them to ditch Heavy Weapon Teams out of the Infantry Squads and instead add stuff like Heavy Stubbers, Antitank Rifles, etc.
Single man portable items that broadly fit a 'heavy weapon' option without needing a team would make it so that some of the cheekier stuff(LOOKING AT YOU MORTARS) becomes less of an issue.
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2019/06/05 22:33:07
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Kanluwen wrote: Haighus wrote: AndrewGPaul wrote:Heavy stubbers were underrepresented right from the beginning. I can count the number of 1st and 2nd edition models equipped with one on the fingers of one head. It was only after Necromunda popularised them that they eventually started edging out storm bolters as the standard pintle weapon in Imperial Guard tanks, and then got a bit more widespread with the arrival of the Adeptus Mechanicus units.
I really really hope that if they ever redo the AM infantry squad kit, they will include heavy stubbers as a special weapon option. I'd love to be able to give my Guardsmen squads not-Brens and not-MG34/42s and not-Lewis guns etc
I've said repeatedly that I want them to ditch Heavy Weapon Teams out of the Infantry Squads and instead add stuff like Heavy Stubbers, Antitank Rifles, etc.
Single man portable items that broadly fit a 'heavy weapon' option without needing a team would make it so that some of the cheekier stuff(LOOKING AT YOU MORTARS) becomes less of an issue.
While I get that from a aesthetic view you'd kill most heavy weapons overnight. You can't just stick a unit of 6 guardsmen with 3 lascannons somewhere and expect it to survive more than two seconds. The only heavy weapon squads that ever work are mortars and that's specifically because you can't see them. Making stuff like heavy bolters locked to the heavy weapon squad would also really suck since in matched play you'd only ever be able to use 9 total, ever.
Being able to take stubbers in guard squads would be sweet though. Give the sarge a bolter and that's about the best you can ask for to clear light infantry in a neat little 43pt package.
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'I've played Guard for years, and the best piece of advice is to always utilize the Guard's best special rule: "we roll more dice than you" ' - stormleader
"Sector Imperialis: 25mm and 40mm Round Bases (40+20) 26€ (Including 32 skulls for basing) " GW design philosophy in a nutshell |
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2019/06/17 20:36:15
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Sooo some price leak/rumors have popped up. $140 WTF GW unless it has baneblade/knight stats or massive transport capacity, no thank you.
anyone else think that's a tad too high, it makes the termite a better proposition since it can carry Astartes as well.
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2019/06/17 20:39:00
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
Home Base: Prosper, TX (Dallas)
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That was a mistake. It's 45 pounds or likely between $70-$75. Which is still high but half the price you thought so that's nice
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2019/06/17 20:48:35
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Hulksmash wrote:That was a mistake. It's 45 pounds or likely between $70-$75. Which is still high but half the price you thought so that's nice
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and about the norm for tanks these days
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2019/06/17 21:12:31
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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well I sure hope so, since I was gonna buy 2 & a termite.
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2019/06/18 05:11:32
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Heroic Senior Officer
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God I hope it's not $75. That's the price of a repulsive and it's nowhere near the statline I'm sure. I don't don't want to spend a dollar per point almost on a transport for Admech. It needs to be in the 50-60 USD range, anything more is just taking advantage of us cogboys
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'I've played Guard for years, and the best piece of advice is to always utilize the Guard's best special rule: "we roll more dice than you" ' - stormleader
"Sector Imperialis: 25mm and 40mm Round Bases (40+20) 26€ (Including 32 skulls for basing) " GW design philosophy in a nutshell |
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2019/06/18 05:20:46
Subject: Re:Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Fixture of Dakka
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Also taking advantage of us IG players who might want to convert them in to sweet chimera proxies.
Hovering over the water feature is still Amphibious!
As an aside, how big would this be compared to a chimera? Anyone know?
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2019/06/18 05:39:05
Subject: Skitarii are getting a transport (and a tank!) - Skorpius Dunerider
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Dakka Veteran
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well to be fair ... It comes on a time where core troops borderline the 50-60$ mark nowadays compare to past iterations. The current hammerhead got abvsorved into the skyray kit, in a similar fashion to the baneblade, and due to the time it went to 60$. Given currect inflation, 75$ sounds about the normal trend for dual/multi build vehicle kits
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