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Sotahullu wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Why does the unfortunate orphans link to Blood Angels? You'd think they would use sisters or tempestus.

Likely because last edition had Skitarii and Flesh Tearers.

What Skitarii and Flesh Tearers have to do with orphans?

No, it links to blood angels because they are orphans. Sanguinius is dead.

What I don't get is why heavy stubbers went from rare gun mostly found in FW models to something increasingly common in GW ranges, especially from fluff perspective. Technological regress? Ease of production? I can't see it being logistics, because while it's better than bolter in that regard, lasers still beat them...

Solid shells allow for a variety of payloads which the admech have the means to create. At the same time, they are far less complex and resource intensive than a bolter.

 Irbis wrote:
What I don't get is why heavy stubbers went from rare gun mostly found in FW models to something increasingly common in GW ranges, especially from fluff perspective. Technological regress? Ease of production? I can't see it being logistics, because while it's better than bolter in that regard, lasers still beat them...

Weren't they always extremely common in the background? They were also present on IG tanks as a pintle mounted hatch weapon, iirc.
It actually makes sense that Ad Mech would field more solid projectile weapons than the IG, as the Ad Mech don't have to worry about logistical constraints all that much, being the source of such weapons and ammo, not to mention having a much smaller army and having a smaller theater to operate in.

 Irbis wrote:
What I don't get is why heavy stubbers went from rare gun mostly found in FW models to something increasingly common in GW ranges, especially from fluff perspective. Technological regress? Ease of production? I can't see it being logistics, because while it's better than bolter in that regard, lasers still beat them...

I mean...no? Auto/stub guns have always been described as kind of the "baseline gun anyone can create" in the 40k setting, and lower-tech realms of the 40k setting like Necromunda. They just, like a lot of the "deep lore" of 40k, took a bit of a nap between third and sixth edition.

Heavy stubbers were underrepresented right from the beginning. I can count the number of 1st and 2nd edition models equipped with one on the fingers of one head. It was only after Necromunda popularised them that they eventually started edging out storm bolters as the standard pintle weapon in Imperial Guard tanks, and then got a bit more widespread with the arrival of the Adeptus Mechanicus units.

I think the Heavy Stubbers make certain models more relate-able to their real-world inspiration. Plus they have a sleeker profile than bolt weapons.

I think it’s also been a shift in sci-fi itself. Used to be you had to have laser weaponry to be “sci-fi”, but a lot of modern sci-fi has ditched the laser and ray guns and gone back to some form of projectile weapon.

That is a very confused and stupid looking 'tank'.

Justyn wrote:
That is a very confused and stupid looking 'tank'.

What do you mean by that? It's an up-armoured transport with the troop capacity replaced by missiles and a small turret.

Do we know when this Dunerider will be available to buy?
It kind of looks like a Bradley turned into a pure tank.

 Tanke Tank wrote:
Do we know when this Dunerider will be available to buy?
It kind of looks like a Bradley turned into a pure tank.

Based on the latest Regimental Standard, I think very soon - wouldn't be surprised if it went up for pre-order this weekend.

 Insane Ivan wrote:

 Tanke Tank wrote:
Do we know when this Dunerider will be available to buy?
It kind of looks like a Bradley turned into a pure tank.

Based on the latest Regimental Standard, I think very soon - wouldn't be surprised if it went up for pre-order this weekend.

We’d know if it was going up this weekend. Earliest it’ll be is next weekend.

Is anything up for preorder this weekend? I was expecting a Sunday preview article and didn't see one.

Voss wrote:
Is anything up for preorder this weekend? I was expecting a Sunday preview article and didn't see one.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/17/forge-world-previews-halflings-and-heroes/

Blood Bowl and Necromunda.

I expect this Sunday's announcement will be the Contrast paints for release on the 15th.

Voss wrote:
Is anything up for preorder this weekend? I was expecting a Sunday preview article and didn't see one.

It was put up last Friday for some reason, rather than the Sunday.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Insane Ivan wrote:

 Tanke Tank wrote:
Do we know when this Dunerider will be available to buy?
It kind of looks like a Bradley turned into a pure tank.

Based on the latest Regimental Standard, I think very soon - wouldn't be surprised if it went up for pre-order this weekend.

We’d know if it was going up this weekend. Earliest it’ll be is next weekend.

Right, yeah, that’s what I meant. Got pre-order weekend confused with the announcement of the pre-orders a week before.

 Ghaz wrote:

Voss wrote:
Is anything up for preorder this weekend? I was expecting a Sunday preview article and didn't see one.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/17/forge-world-previews-halflings-and-heroes/

Blood Bowl and Necromunda.

I expect this Sunday's announcement will be the Contrast paints for release on the 15th.

maybe not, my local GW manager was saying that there's a GW managerial meeting in 2 weeks where he'll get a chance to play with the new paints, so my guess is that the new contrast line is 3 or 4 weeks out. so yeah 15th or so might work

So, it's not this week, and the week after that it will be the Contrast paints, so in 3 weeks minimum now... The wait is unbearable :(

 Aaranis wrote:
So, it's not this week, and the week after that it will be the Contrast paints, so in 3 weeks minimum now... The wait is unbearable :(

I'm actually glad for the wait. My initial order is for 4, and they are probably going to be $60 or north. Need to save the monies.

Also on the admech model front, when is the combat arena game coming out? I want that new techpriest.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Heavy stubbers were underrepresented right from the beginning. I can count the number of 1st and 2nd edition models equipped with one on the fingers of one head. It was only after Necromunda popularised them that they eventually started edging out storm bolters as the standard pintle weapon in Imperial Guard tanks, and then got a bit more widespread with the arrival of the Adeptus Mechanicus units.

I really really hope that if they ever redo the AM infantry squad kit, they will include heavy stubbers as a special weapon option. I'd love to be able to give my Guardsmen squads not-Brens and not-MG34/42s and not-Lewis guns etc

 Haighus wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Heavy stubbers were underrepresented right from the beginning. I can count the number of 1st and 2nd edition models equipped with one on the fingers of one head. It was only after Necromunda popularised them that they eventually started edging out storm bolters as the standard pintle weapon in Imperial Guard tanks, and then got a bit more widespread with the arrival of the Adeptus Mechanicus units.

I really really hope that if they ever redo the AM infantry squad kit, they will include heavy stubbers as a special weapon option. I'd love to be able to give my Guardsmen squads not-Brens and not-MG34/42s and not-Lewis guns etc

I've said repeatedly that I want them to ditch Heavy Weapon Teams out of the Infantry Squads and instead add stuff like Heavy Stubbers, Antitank Rifles, etc.

Single man portable items that broadly fit a 'heavy weapon' option without needing a team would make it so that some of the cheekier stuff(LOOKING AT YOU MORTARS) becomes less of an issue.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Heavy stubbers were underrepresented right from the beginning. I can count the number of 1st and 2nd edition models equipped with one on the fingers of one head. It was only after Necromunda popularised them that they eventually started edging out storm bolters as the standard pintle weapon in Imperial Guard tanks, and then got a bit more widespread with the arrival of the Adeptus Mechanicus units.

I really really hope that if they ever redo the AM infantry squad kit, they will include heavy stubbers as a special weapon option. I'd love to be able to give my Guardsmen squads not-Brens and not-MG34/42s and not-Lewis guns etc

I've said repeatedly that I want them to ditch Heavy Weapon Teams out of the Infantry Squads and instead add stuff like Heavy Stubbers, Antitank Rifles, etc.

Single man portable items that broadly fit a 'heavy weapon' option without needing a team would make it so that some of the cheekier stuff(LOOKING AT YOU MORTARS) becomes less of an issue.

While I get that from a aesthetic view you'd kill most heavy weapons overnight. You can't just stick a unit of 6 guardsmen with 3 lascannons somewhere and expect it to survive more than two seconds. The only heavy weapon squads that ever work are mortars and that's specifically because you can't see them. Making stuff like heavy bolters locked to the heavy weapon squad would also really suck since in matched play you'd only ever be able to use 9 total, ever.

Being able to take stubbers in guard squads would be sweet though. Give the sarge a bolter and that's about the best you can ask for to clear light infantry in a neat little 43pt package.

Sooo some price leak/rumors have popped up. $140 WTF GW unless it has baneblade/knight stats or massive transport capacity, no thank you.

anyone else think that's a tad too high, it makes the termite a better proposition since it can carry Astartes as well.

That was a mistake. It's 45 pounds or likely between $70-$75. Which is still high but half the price you thought so that's nice

 Hulksmash wrote:
That was a mistake. It's 45 pounds or likely between $70-$75. Which is still high but half the price you thought so that's nice

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and about the norm for tanks these days

well I sure hope so, since I was gonna buy 2 & a termite.

God I hope it's not $75. That's the price of a repulsive and it's nowhere near the statline I'm sure. I don't don't want to spend a dollar per point almost on a transport for Admech. It needs to be in the 50-60 USD range, anything more is just taking advantage of us cogboys

Also taking advantage of us IG players who might want to convert them in to sweet chimera proxies.

Hovering over the water feature is still Amphibious!



As an aside, how big would this be compared to a chimera? Anyone know?

well to be fair ... It comes on a time where core troops borderline the 50-60$ mark nowadays compare to past iterations. The current hammerhead got abvsorved into the skyray kit, in a similar fashion to the baneblade, and due to the time it went to 60$. Given currect inflation, 75$ sounds about the normal trend for dual/multi build vehicle kits