GW removing/changing paints rumour/news - glazes being removed

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**Overread**

From Bolter and Chainsword http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/356205-multiple-gw-paint-products-are-being-dropped-repackaged/

Note there is a big update later in the thread which specifies which paints are comming/going/changing.

Spoiler:

So basically right now :
Caliban Spray, Stormvermin Fur, The Fang & Averland Sunset - all those sprays are gone
All four glaze paints are gone
Any texture paints in 12ml bottles are gone (24mm ones remain)

**Elbows**

Pre-colour primers are not likely to go away, but they're probably being re-branded with "CONTAST" on the side of the can.

Or...failing that GW gave up on the market and will let AP and Vallejo cash in on those marine players spraying entire armies.

**Overread**

So far its only the 4 precolour primers that are vanishing, perhaps they are just the ones that have not sold in enough volume compared to the others in the line.

**BrookM**

Not surprised with the removal of some of those four sprays, I always thought they were limited releases to begin with. Averland Sunset though..!

**timetowaste85**

They’re killing the glazes off? Contrast as full replacement? Considering snagging the red and yellow before they go. I have blue and green already.

**Whirlwind**

Shame about the glazes, but they are advertising using diluted contrast paints. Doesn't quite seem to give the same effect though as the contrast pools to the bottom looking at the examples. That would be less control compared to being able to give something an even glaze all over an element.

And I can't believe they are changing the white! Hopefully it is the same tone and not slightly warmer or colder!

**frozenwastes**

It's funny that the glazes are going away because people have already posted pictures of great results of contrast paint and then a layer of glaze to knock out the white/desaturated areas. Green contrast and then a yellow glaze, for example.

Anyone glazing regularly should probably learn to mix their own. I'm about half way through a bottle of artist acrylic glazing medium I bought years ago. I'm guessing if I used artist glazing medium rather than their contrast medium, contrast paints will probably behave more like a consistent glaze than settling.

**Sterling191**

Given that in pretty much every video so far the painting crew are pretty much shouting "dont dilute the Contrast paints" I find it rather amusingly suspect that GW would use "dilute the Contrast paints" as a supposed selling point to discontinue a different paint line.

**Overread**

Sterling191 wrote:
Given that in pretty much every video so far the painting crew are pretty much shouting "dont dilute the Contrast paints" I find it rather amusingly suspect that GW would use "dilute the Contrast paints" as a supposed selling point to discontinue a different paint line.

In defence I think most of the videos saying "don't use water" are mostly aiming it at people using the contrast paint for the contrast effect. Considering you add water to most GW paints for standard use it makes sense that they'd then advertise more strongly not to use water for contrast paint for standard use.

**Ghaz**

Sterling191 wrote:
Given that in pretty much every video so far the painting crew are pretty much shouting "dont dilute the Contrast paints" I find it rather amusingly suspect that GW would use "dilute the Contrast paints" as a supposed selling point to discontinue a different paint line.

GW says to thin the paint with Contrast medium for glazing in the video on the Citadel Colour website.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Have we had any confirmation of this?

My throwing, ahem, shade, at the OP. Just standard question

**Ghaz**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Have we had any confirmation of this?

My throwing, ahem, shade, at the OP. Just standard question

Yes on the Edge paints (see HERE).

**hotsauceman1**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Have we had any confirmation of this?

My throwing, ahem, shade, at the OP. Just standard question

My LGS confirmed. He showed us the email
I know its not much better. But I believe him.

**timetowaste85**

Edge paint is leaving too?!

**hotsauceman1**

Edge paint always was an enigma, in their paint "System" edge paint didnt fit. and they always advertised it as "advanced" paint kinda so that likely affected sales.

**Inquisitor Kallus**

Caliban green spray and the fang removed? great....... :(

**Ghaz**

timetowaste85 wrote:
Edge paint is leaving too?!

No. They've simply been relabeled to Layer paints

**Voss**

Sterling191 wrote:
Given that in pretty much every video so far the painting crew are pretty much shouting "dont dilute the Contrast paints" I find it rather amusingly suspect that GW would use "dilute the Contrast paints" as a supposed selling point to discontinue a different paint line.

They're explicitly selling a Medium for use with the Contrast paints. You're just not being cynical enough.

**Thargrim**

I would always paint space marine eyes by using either white or ulthuan grey + white, then glazing with bloodletter or guilliman blue. So to see the glazes go is a bummer, kind of annoying.

**BrianDavion**

Ghaz wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
Given that in pretty much every video so far the painting crew are pretty much shouting "dont dilute the Contrast paints" I find it rather amusingly suspect that GW would use "dilute the Contrast paints" as a supposed selling point to discontinue a different paint line.

GW says to thin the paint with Contrast medium for glazing in the video on the Citadel Colour website.

remember when Citidel War-ter was a joke?

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Yes.

Except one is an actual chemical creation, the other is naturally occurring?

Because like, chemical properties, and that?

**Cynista**

The GW glazes are actually very good products. They're better than anything I've been able to mix myself using paints because they maintain such a rich saturated colour whilst being extremely thin. You can probably get something similar with inks and flow aid though.

Shame if they are going, I would have preferred to see them in bigger bottles.

**Vulcan**

Cynista wrote:
The GW glazes are actually very good products. They're better than anything I've been able to mix myself using paints because they maintain such a rich saturated colour whilst being extremely thin. You can probably get something similar with inks and flow aid though.

Shame if they are going, I would have preferred to see them in bigger bottles.

Actually, if you're looking for a glaze you don't want to use flow-aid, as that causes the 'glaze' to flow and concentrate in cracks, crevices, and the like - in other words, more as a shade than a glaze. And I have no idea how diluting Contrast paints - which are designed to flow like a wash already - will make they flow LESS, which is what you want for a glaze.

Acrylic medium and artist ink is the way to go if you're looking to make your own glaze, with the least amount of water you can get away with for the flow you want. Whether it works as well for you as GW glazes did is likely a matter of taste... but once the GW glazes go there won't be much choice in the matter.

**Cynista**

Vulcan wrote:
Cynista wrote:
The GW glazes are actually very good products. They're better than anything I've been able to mix myself using paints because they maintain such a rich saturated colour whilst being extremely thin. You can probably get something similar with inks and flow aid though.

Shame if they are going, I would have preferred to see them in bigger bottles.

Actually, if you're looking for a glaze you don't want to use flow-aid, as that causes the 'glaze' to flow and concentrate in cracks, crevices, and the like - in other words, more as a shade than a glaze. And I have no idea how diluting Contrast paints - which are designed to flow like a wash already - will make they flow LESS, which is what you want for a glaze.

Acrylic medium and artist ink is the way to go if you're looking to make your own glaze, with the least amount of water you can get away with for the flow you want. Whether it works as well for you as GW glazes did is likely a matter of taste... but once the GW glazes go there won't be much choice in the matter.

A small amount of flow aid will break up the surface tension that all the water will create. Which is what you want in a glaze so it goes on evenly. Obviously too much will just result in a wash though, which is undesirable. I kind of wish that GW would sell whatever medium they use for their glazes seperately. I'm pretty sure it's not Lahmian medium, as that actually retains a lot of surface tension. Although GW have previously claimed that Lahmian medium is both the base for their washes and their glazes, which simply can't be true.

**McMagnus Mindbullets**

Glazes going? What the!?

They work wonders on any model. Just wow. Need to stock up on those.

People I know who paint to a very high standard use nearly exclusively glazes (own mix + product) and the results they get are magnificent. That's a damn shame.

**Azreal13**

Yeah, but GW had... 4.. colours?

If it were washes, that'd be a big deal, but the glazes have never been a significant part of any painting I've done, and from what I've seen, not a huge part of "the GW method."

**frozenwastes**

Reaper miniatures has six clear colours that work pretty well as glazes if people want a pre mixed substitute.

**Tyranid Horde**

Is it worth picking up the glaze paints before they disappear? I've never used them.

Hyped for the FW colours and clear paints, gimme gimme.

**tneva82**

well if you haven't used I wouldn't use at least GW one anymore. Fun in future if you want to replicate paint job and paint no longer available and you are out of supply...

**AduroT**

I never particularly cared for the Glazes. I’m much more of a Shades guy myself. I just wished for their brighter colors in the Shades formula though, which I’m hoping Contrast might make a good substitute for.