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2019/06/18 13:35:56
Subject: Re:Apocalypse and other reinforcements going up for preorder the 29th
£100 for the detachment boxes? That's me sold on the Space Marine box and very tempted on the Nid and Tau ones as well. Not sure if its a good or bad thing that the monopose Datasmith and yet another Dominus has put me off the AM set though
2019/06/18 13:54:04
Subject: Re:Apocalypse and other reinforcements going up for preorder the 29th
GoatboyBeta wrote: £100 for the detachment boxes? That's me sold on the Space Marine box and very tempted on the Nid and Tau ones as well. Not sure if its a good or bad thing that the monopose Datasmith and yet another Dominus has put me off the AM set though
£145 to 170 depending on the box, I made this mistake too!
From Abaddon's special rule we can infer that saves are taken at the end of the round and usually on a D6 vs large blasts and D12 vs small blasts. It remains to be seen how much stuff you remove for each failed save (I would guess 1 tank or 5 mandudes)
I'd like to add:
-We know from the fact that CSM can take either boltguns or chainswords that at least "squad-swap" level weapon options will be available, but I think it's a safe bet to say that the whole unit will have to switch from one to the other, and I am still skeptical that single weapon upgrades like a single meltagun special weapon or plasma gun will play much of a role.
-Also squads can be taken in varying sizes since they mention having a full squad of 20. That's interesting, and I wonder what the "units of damage" will be for infantry. Going in, I was kind of assuming that you'd be losing things a squad at a time - your unit of Primaris Marines has two wounds, if you take two wounds you lose the squad of primaris marines, and you make up for the high casualty rate by decreasing the rate of fire of most guns down to just a couple shots.
-Abbadon's abilities confirm that Rerollbubblehammer is not gone. Sadface. I was hoping from the Guilliman preview that they'd be reworking the aura mechanic with so much on the table at once.
-The psychic power card references a penalty for being Critically Damaged. It would seem that either there is some penalty for having enough damage on a unit to kill them at the end of the turn, or this is some kind of reference to a degradation table like we have on vehicles now.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2019/06/18 15:02:44
Subject: Apocalypse and other reinforcements going up for preorder the 29th
One thing I hope that we don't see in this system is the random number of shots/attacks/strength/etc, that is all too prevalent in 40k. At this scale randomness of that kind should be smoothed out.
I imagine that all attacks do one point of damage unless they have a special rule, aka: Destroyer. Primaris Marines have we know 2 wounds, so I imagine that tanks and other big infantry will have more.
It does seem that blast size determines the dice rolled for any armour save. This is more than likely the game's scaled down version of armour penetration. It is going to be interesting to see how squishy units (Gaunts, Guard, etc) do, I imagine their save is something like 12, so has a 1 in 12 chance against small blasts, but does to big blasts... which for the scale makes sense.
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2019/06/18 15:19:28
Subject: Apocalypse and other reinforcements going up for preorder the 29th
I’m a bit disappointed that between the Tyranid SC and their Armageddon box, they don’t include any termagants/hormagaunts. Same with Eldar not having any guardians in the “base” sets.
And, as a side question - is there no CSM Start Collecting set? If not, that’s just sad.
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2019/06/18 15:24:16
Subject: Re:Apocalypse and other reinforcements going up for preorder the 29th
GoatboyBeta wrote: £100 for the detachment boxes? That's me sold on the Space Marine box and very tempted on the Nid and Tau ones as well. Not sure if its a good or bad thing that the monopose Datasmith and yet another Dominus has put me off the AM set though
£145 to 170 depending on the box, I made this mistake too!
I think the Eldar and Chaos sets are the only 100 quid sets.
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Stormonu wrote: I’m a bit disappointed that between the Tyranid SC and their Armageddon box, they don’t include any termagants/hormagaunts. Same with Eldar not having any guardians in the “base” sets.
And, as a side question - is there no CSM Start Collecting set? If not, that’s just sad.
If you're starting Iyanden, it's an ideal set. I think, however, that these sets are built from a different perspective, and I'm thinking that Troops will wind up not being any sort of basis for an army.
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GoatboyBeta wrote: £100 for the detachment boxes? That's me sold on the Space Marine box and very tempted on the Nid and Tau ones as well. Not sure if its a good or bad thing that the monopose Datasmith and yet another Dominus has put me off the AM set though
£145 to 170 depending on the box, I made this mistake too!
I think the Eldar and Chaos sets are the only 100 quid sets.
All the sets are £100. The £145-170 figure is the RRP of the models if you buy them separately.
2019/06/18 15:32:05
Subject: Re:Apocalypse and other reinforcements going up for preorder the 29th
From Abaddon's special rule we can infer that saves are taken at the end of the round and usually on a D6 vs large blasts and D12 vs small blasts. It remains to be seen how much stuff you remove for each failed save (I would guess 1 tank or 5 mandudes)
I'd like to add:
-We know from the fact that CSM can take either boltguns or chainswords that at least "squad-swap" level weapon options will be available, but I think it's a safe bet to say that the whole unit will have to switch from one to the other, and I am still skeptical that single weapon upgrades like a single meltagun special weapon or plasma gun will play much of a role.
-Also squads can be taken in varying sizes since they mention having a full squad of 20. That's interesting, and I wonder what the "units of damage" will be for infantry. Going in, I was kind of assuming that you'd be losing things a squad at a time - your unit of Primaris Marines has two wounds, if you take two wounds you lose the squad of primaris marines, and you make up for the high casualty rate by decreasing the rate of fire of most guns down to just a couple shots.
A base will probably be equal to 1 movement tray (since that's what they sell you now). Melta guns could simply be another base that has modified stats in some ways.
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2019/06/18 16:19:02
Subject: Apocalypse and other reinforcements going up for preorder the 29th
How do you know those units won’t be good in apocalypse?
If we're parsing what boxes contain undesirable units or not I'm assuming we're doing so in a context in which we can actually tell whether the units are good or not.
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2019/06/18 19:35:58
Subject: Re:Apocalypse and other reinforcements going up for preorder the 29th
How do you know those units won’t be good in apocalypse?
If we're parsing what boxes contain undesirable units or not I'm assuming we're doing so in a context in which we can actually tell whether the units are good or not.
I think that was his point
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I truely hope there will be at some point datasheets for FW armies,
especially Renegades & Heretics, and for the FW artillery stuff like the
griffon, colossus etc.
We know titans will be a thing, but I hope most of the FW stuff will make it
eventually.
2019/06/19 05:11:41
Subject: Re:Apocalypse and other reinforcements going up for preorder the 29th
How do you know those units won’t be good in apocalypse?
If we're parsing what boxes contain undesirable units or not I'm assuming we're doing so in a context in which we can actually tell whether the units are good or not.
I think that was his point
And I think most are looking in contex of main game rather than the side game which will be up in various levels of popularity for some time.
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2019/06/19 05:24:56
Subject: Re:Apocalypse and other reinforcements going up for preorder the 29th
He shows off 8-10 Knights, etc...and then says he needs to grab a bunch more to flesh out the army for Apocalypse. Of course he gets a discount if not damn-near-free...but the idea of "yeah just need to pick up another handful of $140 kits..." shows where this hobby is and how obsessed some people are with throwing cash at something like Apocalypse.
That's just insanity. I'll be more than happy to watch from the sidelines though!
2019/06/19 05:48:35
Subject: Re:Apocalypse and other reinforcements going up for preorder the 29th
Elbows wrote: The Duncan Knight video made me laugh.
He shows off 8-10 Knights, etc...and then says he needs to grab a bunch more to flesh out the army for Apocalypse. Of course he gets a discount if not damn-near-free...but the idea of "yeah just need to pick up another handful of $140 kits..." shows where this hobby is and how obsessed some people are with throwing cash at something like Apocalypse.
That's just insanity. I'll be more than happy to watch from the sidelines though!
It's all relative, what might take someone 6mo to save for might take someone else 90min. It sure would be nice if I could just drop another $500 on units for apoc but I'm limited to a single box.
2019/06/19 06:42:18
Subject: Re:Apocalypse and other reinforcements going up for preorder the 29th
Elbows wrote: The Duncan Knight video made me laugh.
He shows off 8-10 Knights, etc...and then says he needs to grab a bunch more to flesh out the army for Apocalypse. Of course he gets a discount if not damn-near-free...but the idea of "yeah just need to pick up another handful of $140 kits..." shows where this hobby is and how obsessed some people are with throwing cash at something like Apocalypse.
That's just insanity. I'll be more than happy to watch from the sidelines though!
I imagine that many people with large collections build them up over time. I spend around £50 per month on my hobby, which mean if I was so inclined, I could easily buy 6 knights over the course of a year. About the pace at which I could paint them.
... now that I think about it, that’s actually quite an appealing idea.
2019/06/19 07:17:12
Subject: Re:Apocalypse and other reinforcements going up for preorder the 29th
Elbows wrote: The Duncan Knight video made me laugh.
He shows off 8-10 Knights, etc...and then says he needs to grab a bunch more to flesh out the army for Apocalypse. Of course he gets a discount if not damn-near-free...but the idea of "yeah just need to pick up another handful of $140 kits..." shows where this hobby is and how obsessed some people are with throwing cash at something like Apocalypse.
That's just insanity. I'll be more than happy to watch from the sidelines though!
I imagine that many people with large collections build them up over time. I spend around £50 per month on my hobby, which mean if I was so inclined, I could easily buy 6 knights over the course of a year. About the pace at which I could paint them.
... now that I think about it, that’s actually quite an appealing idea.
And GW Marketing's Apocalypse solution to sales comes to fruition.
Same with Conquest. You mean after 80 weeks, I can have two complete armies I've never collected before at a discount compared to GW retail prices?
I don't really need anymore Leman Russ tanks but the Imperial Guard box along with a Chimera, Command Squad and Heavy Weapon Squad I can convert to Ventrillians suddenly becomes far too attractive a prospect.
Elbows wrote: The Duncan Knight video made me laugh.
He shows off 8-10 Knights, etc...and then says he needs to grab a bunch more to flesh out the army for Apocalypse. Of course he gets a discount if not damn-near-free...but the idea of "yeah just need to pick up another handful of $140 kits..." shows where this hobby is and how obsessed some people are with throwing cash at something like Apocalypse.
That's just insanity. I'll be more than happy to watch from the sidelines though!
I imagine that many people with large collections build them up over time. I spend around £50 per month on my hobby, which mean if I was so inclined, I could easily buy 6 knights over the course of a year. About the pace at which I could paint them.
... now that I think about it, that’s actually quite an appealing idea.
Yep. My 12k orks(about 33% of points of 10 knights...) didn't come alive by one big purchase but adding units here and there. Latest additions being 3 scrapjets and 3 shockjumps for about 600+ pts of orkyness.
And it's matter of priorities. Some people do cheaper holidays so can spend money on miniatures. I could afford warlord titan(the 40k scale) if I wanted but prefer instead long holiday in Japan. Still can afford building up 40k armies piece by piece. And knights for example have grown in size with renegade boxes in large.
There's people who have warlord titans! 10 knights is much more sensible in terms of gaming and I think cheaper as well.
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