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Removed, Rule #1 please - BrookM

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Removed, Rule #1 please - BrookM

For "not nice" you mean "pointed out blatant things GW is doing and/or showing how badly the rules are written"? Because even if he can be troll-ish sometimes, his points are always solid when he writes over here.
They are not going away just because you call him the bad guy. Hes the hero GW's repulsive rule writing needs. The cat that we deserve.

Gitdakka wrote:

 Stux wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Stux wrote:
Well I think you are in a minority there. I'm glad you're getting enjoyment from it still though!

I would accept that I might be in the minority. . . but I would say that it's probably in GW's best interest to keep the army supported. I know a LOT of people who have old armies lying around, but just haven't played in years. If they could take that old army to the club and start gaming with it, that's a gateway to more purchases, imo.

I expect it to be fully supported for something like a decade. And eventually they'll be like "it's legal to use Tacticals as Intercessors" and then another few years and they'll quietly drop that. Though in casual games people won't care if you're using your 20 year old sculpts, it'll be a nice novelty to play against even!

I anticipate it being VERY slow.

I dont think the GW buissness model will make them last another 10 years. So if I can use my tacticals for that time then fine by me. And if they happen to ditch marines (wich they wont, its their strongest concept ever created) then I'll just proxy them as the new jazz, if im even still playing the game by then.

Gw are gakking over their fans so bad right now I'm sure they are digging their grave buissness wise.

I use regular astartes for Khorne Berzerkers. Sue me.
Ultimately as long as it's clear what something is who cares.
I also use the Mhara Gal dread for a Hellforged Leviathan and the Gal Vorbak for Greater Possessed simply cuz the models look so neat.

I plan to get years of enjoyment out of watching people who scour every release for some hint of a classic marine.

Eventually, one will show up in Nexcromunda version 8, and they will get all excited GW is bring back Classic Marines! You can proxy use the Necromunda one as a Tac squad guy if you use the 8.5 7 year old index options! Until even that was just the one mini years past.. And then a picture of a classic marine in some game product, just a picture of a old land raider in the back ground all busted up.. And the true believers are back, hope up again!

Glorious.

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

For "not nice" you mean "pointed out blatant things GW is doing and/or showing how badly the rules are written"? Because even if he can be troll-ish sometimes, his points are always solid when he writes over here.
They are not going away just because you call him the bad guy. Hes the hero GW's repulsive rule writing needs. The cat that we deserve.

Pointing out GW ineptitude is shooting fish in a barrel, it's so pathetically easy that I'm not going to give anyone credit for engaging in it. The rule set is beyond salvation in any case, playing 40k these days is like eating a pint of broken glass.

Why would I want him to go away?

Reemule wrote:
I plan to get years of enjoyment out of watching people who scour every release for some hint of a classic marine.

Eventually, one will show up in Nexcromunda version 8, and they will get all excited GW is bring back Classic Marines! You can proxy use the Necromunda one as a Tac squad guy if you use the 8.5 7 year old index options! Until even that was just the one mini years past.. And then a picture of a classic marine in some game product, just a picture of a old land raider in the back ground all busted up.. And the true believers are back, hope up again!

Glorious.

Err. . . What?

 Insectum7 wrote:

Reemule wrote:
I plan to get years of enjoyment out of watching people who scour every release for some hint of a classic marine.

Eventually, one will show up in Nexcromunda version 8, and they will get all excited GW is bring back Classic Marines! You can proxy use the Necromunda one as a Tac squad guy if you use the 8.5 7 year old index options! Until even that was just the one mini years past.. And then a picture of a classic marine in some game product, just a picture of a old land raider in the back ground all busted up.. And the true believers are back, hope up again!

Glorious.

Err. . . What?

Sigh.

Classic marines are gone and I'm going to laugh for years watching people want to deny that.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

For "not nice" you mean "pointed out blatant things GW is doing and/or showing how badly the rules are written"? Because even if he can be troll-ish sometimes, his points are always solid when he writes over here.
They are not going away just because you call him the bad guy. Hes the hero GW's repulsive rule writing needs. The cat that we deserve.

Pointing out GW ineptitude is shooting fish in a barrel, it's so pathetically easy that I'm not going to give anyone credit for engaging in it. The rule set is beyond salvation in any case, playing 40k these days is like eating a pint of broken glass.

Why would I want him to go away?

I can't argue with this

Reemule wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
Err. . . What?

Sigh.

Classic marines are gone and I'm going to laugh for years watching people want to deny that.

That seems like a very unkind way to spend one's limited time on this planet. All too soon, the show's over and I for one would be heartbroken if I went to my grave feeling like I wasted my time on cheap schadenfreude.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

Reemule wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
Err. . . What?

Sigh.

Classic marines are gone and I'm going to laugh for years watching people want to deny that.

That seems like a very unkind way to spend one's limited time on this planet. All too soon, the show's over and I for one would be heartbroken if I went to my grave feeling like I wasted my time on cheap schadenfreude.

Naw. Unkind is not realizing basic patterns and business models. Those bowling balll dreadnoughts became Casterum patern dreads, became Contemptor dreas, became redemptor dreads.

Want to buy a new Bowling ball dread? Tough. At some point in the future the Redemptor dread... also not for sale anymore. Go buy the new Teletubbie dread. Hot pink, has a coat hanger on its head, new release, very retro, all the rage.

Unkind lol.

Reemule wrote:

Naw. Unkind is not realizing basic patterns and business models.

It really isn't, friend. That's not what that word means. Your attempt to score points with a rhetorical flourish is as feeble as it is misdirected.

I don't dispute that old marines are going away. They are, and rapidly, too. What I take umbrage to is pulling a Nelson and ha-ha'ing people who have any kind of negative reaction, whether rational or emotional, to this reality. You're being dicks about it because you yourselves don't care for the old models.

Intercessors have 4 strats... that were introduced before the codex.

Intercessors are still the golden boys, but the Codex treats RealMarines much better than the old one did. They got a lot more out of the update than Intercessors.

Reemule wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

Reemule wrote:
I plan to get years of enjoyment out of watching people who scour every release for some hint of a classic marine.

Eventually, one will show up in Nexcromunda version 8, and they will get all excited GW is bring back Classic Marines! You can proxy use the Necromunda one as a Tac squad guy if you use the 8.5 7 year old index options! Until even that was just the one mini years past.. And then a picture of a classic marine in some game product, just a picture of a old land raider in the back ground all busted up.. And the true believers are back, hope up again!

Glorious.

Err. . . What?

Sigh.

Classic marines are gone and I'm going to laugh for years watching people want to deny that.

And I'll laugh at those who are rebuying all their models because of some feelings about size inadequacy.

 Insectum7 wrote:

Reemule wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

Reemule wrote:
I plan to get years of enjoyment out of watching people who scour every release for some hint of a classic marine.

Eventually, one will show up in Nexcromunda version 8, and they will get all excited GW is bring back Classic Marines! You can proxy use the Necromunda one as a Tac squad guy if you use the 8.5 7 year old index options! Until even that was just the one mini years past.. And then a picture of a classic marine in some game product, just a picture of a old land raider in the back ground all busted up.. And the true believers are back, hope up again!

Glorious.

Err. . . What?

Sigh.

Classic marines are gone and I'm going to laugh for years watching people want to deny that.

And I'll laugh at those who are rebuying all their models because of some feelings about size inadequacy.

Manlet Marines look bad though. The only passable ones are the Mk3 and 4 ones, and that's really stretching it.

You can split hairs about when the end of the line is for Classic Marines. When the last model was producted? Released? Rules yanked?

Its not my intention to be mean to the people who feel sad about the sunset on the Classics.

It is my intentions to laugh at those who seem to think new releases and ongoing production of Classic marines is around the corner.

Classic marines are gone and are done and I’m going to laugh at you. Even thought they have rules in the new codex, you can still buy all of them, and they are still even getting some new models. But yeah they are gone and I’m still going to laugh at you because I have a massive inferiority complex, and the only way I can get pleasure is to point and laugh at people in various realms of fandom who are slightly disappointed about something.

I think that’s basically what he is saying amongst the utter wibble

Classic marines have their range complete - what are people actually wating for thats not already produced???????????

Only foccussing on new stuff for 2 already massive marine lines (Primaris and HH) is at least better than 3.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Classic marines have their range complete - what are people actually wating for thats not already produced???????????

Only foccussing on new stuff for 2 already massive marine lines (Primaris and HH) is at least better than 3.

Updated standard Terminator kit
Updated standard Bikes kit
Updated Scouts
Plastic Techmarine
Plastic Thunderfire cannon
Plastic servitors

Plastic Honour Guard
Plastic Tactical kit with Breaching Shields

Marines actually have far too many kits.

robbienw wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Classic marines have their range complete - what are people actually wating for thats not already produced???????????

Only foccussing on new stuff for 2 already massive marine lines (Primaris and HH) is at least better than 3.

Updated standard Terminator kit
Updated standard Bikes kit
Updated Scouts
Plastic Techmarine
Plastic Thunderfire cannon
Plastic servitors

Plastic Honour Guard
Plastic Tactical kit with Breaching Shields

Nice list. Agreed.


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Martel732 wrote:
Marines actually have far too many kits.

Also agreed.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Classic marines have their range complete - what are people actually wating for thats not already produced???????????

Only foccussing on new stuff for 2 already massive marine lines (Primaris and HH) is at least better than 3.

I’d like a Lord-of-War marine tank that’s plastic (I.e., not Forgeworld, though the Fellblade is gorgeous). New bike designs would be nice too, maybe return the repulsor style bikes of Rogue Trader. And a plastic Thunderfire cannon. Maybe some beast non-Space Wolf cavalry, and a marine beast master with some vicious creature on a leash.

Aren't marines supposed to be rapid deploy? Why do they need a LoW TANK?

robbienw wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Classic marines have their range complete - what are people actually wating for thats not already produced???????????

Only foccussing on new stuff for 2 already massive marine lines (Primaris and HH) is at least better than 3.

Updated standard Terminator kit
Updated standard Bikes kit
Updated Scouts
Plastic Techmarine
Plastic Thunderfire cannon
Plastic servitors

Plastic Honour Guard
Plastic Tactical kit with Breaching Shields

Updated means its already there - Jesus How Many different Terminator Squads do we need....I mean there is "only" 4 basic currently on sale now PLUS the Angels and Wolves versions

Also Resin means its already there.

AGAIN what units are NOT represented with models.....

Aren't marines supposed to be rapid deploy? Why do they need a LoW TANK?

Smae reason we go Centurions crap, Wolves on Wolves and silly looking aircraft and eventually Primaris because they need to sell new things and the Space Marine range is complete - even if they are not all in plastic - compare them with ANy other sub-faction

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Manlet Marines look bad though. The only passable ones are the Mk3 and 4 ones, and that's really stretching it.

Mine don't. Git gud.

I'm not much of an art critic, but I do prefer the newer stuff.

 Mr Morden wrote:

robbienw wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Classic marines have their range complete - what are people actually wating for thats not already produced???????????

Only foccussing on new stuff for 2 already massive marine lines (Primaris and HH) is at least better than 3.

Updated standard Terminator kit
Updated standard Bikes kit
Updated Scouts
Plastic Techmarine
Plastic Thunderfire cannon
Plastic servitors

Plastic Honour Guard
Plastic Tactical kit with Breaching Shields

Updated means its already there - Jesus How Many different Terminator Squads do we need....I mean there is "only" 4 basic currently on sale now PLUS the Angels and Wolves versions

Also Resin means its already there.

AGAIN what units are NOT represented with models.....

But it’s not just about what units haven’t been produced. Some of us want key iconic units updated to the modern standard. All those terminator units you mention are great and fairly recent models up to current standards. But the standard terminators, the standard version of the unit for all marines, is not. Thus I would like it updated. The recent Heroes terminators have gone some way to alleviating the need, but still.

Same goes for the other update units I listed.

The bottom two, honour guard and breachers, would be all new kits.

I’d also like to add large amounts of 30k units, which could also be used in 30k, to that, such as:

Plastic mk2 marines
Plastic Deimos rhino and variants
Plastic Sicarans
Plastic fellblade and variants
Plastic legion specific units

And so on

Martel732 wrote:
I'm not much of an art critic, but I do prefer the newer stuff.

Which?

Primaris
Or Wolves on Wolves, Centurions and Tiny Flers?

Primaris.

Cents are awful, everything SW is pretty much awful in my book (esp the wolf head flyer..UGH), and I don't think marines need their own airforce. The models are ... meh

Martel732 wrote:
Primaris.

Cents are awful, everything SW is pretty much awful in my book (esp the wolf head flyer..UGH), and I don't think marines need their own airforce. The models are ... meh

I have mixed feeling about Primaris - I like most of them but some not so much but they do look much less like toys than the end of the line Small Marine stuff

HATE centurions and won't buy Wolves on Wolves - but bizarely actually like and own the Wolf head flyer

Reemule wrote:
You can split hairs about when the end of the line is for Classic Marines. When the last model was producted? Released? Rules yanked?

Its not my intention to be mean to the people who feel sad about the sunset on the Classics.

It is my intentions to laugh at those who seem to think new releases and ongoing production of Classic marines is around the corner.

I'm assuming you mean produced? We don't know they are all still in production including the failcast model's.

Released they have shown a new terminator charictor that hasn't been released yet so some point in the future.

At the end of the day GW will produce what is profitable if that's old marines which to be fair they have to be into the pure profit phase for all those kits for a while now.
Why primaris, it was to try and make people with 3-4K plus of the army buy more kits, is it working maybe though not as well as GW hoped, hence the new direction in codex 2.0 instead of 1.0

Everything will eventually be replaced by new models or if it wasn't popular enough allowed to slowly slip out of production.

But right now GW is selling both sizes of marines and making money doing so, untill that changes or they think of something more profitable they will keep doing what's making them money.

But keep telling people you know better and can determine GW's grand 5 year plan, because even people in GW head office dont even know if GW has a 1 year plan let alone a 5 year one.