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Haven’t heard about Star Wars for a couple of months, so just checking.

It is really surprising to me how badly the last saga film hurt my enthusiasm for all things Star Wars.

I've been through disappointing films with the Prequels but this really cut deep. I think it was the themes of disdain for the existing fans and open contempt that really did it. It's one thing to make a bad movie but to create it and support it in a way where it feels like the existing fans aren't welcome was too much.

I've been immersing myself in the things I know I enjoy (old comics, video games, Clone Wars etc) which has helped but I'm still unsure if I'll even watch the future Disney films.

Well, obviously.

But until Disney+ launches, there’s not a great deal to talk about.

Also, anytime a Star Wars thread is started, it’s roughly two pages before it just descends into the shocking, previously unheard of revelation that some didn’t enjoy The Last Jedi.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But until Disney+ launches, there’s not a great deal to talk about.

This seems more like a symptom of the issue rather than an explanation for it.

Yes, I still care about Star Wars and am eagerly waiting for my copy of the newest Thrawn book to arrive (was released three days ago). Looking forward to the Mandolorian tv series but honestly don't care about the next film. Resistance was a big let down after Rebels but hopefully it can improve in the next season and am hopeful for the last season of Clone Wars.

On the gaming side I play X-Wing twice a week, have regionals next weekend and am going to Sydney for the System Open series, we are going to play Armada and Outer Rim (and maybe WEG RPG) starting in September.

So yes, I care.

I just wish that the Disney movies actually told the more interesting stories that barely get mentioned. Like Luke's Jedi Academy couldn't have been several movies all by themselves? Nah, let's do another Death Star, only this time make it bigger and make the Rebellion even smaller, because we're too scared to not remake A New Hope.

For me, I got to play X-Wing 2E and my impression was, this is everything I loved about the mechanics of 1E but better ... yet I can’t be bothered because, shrug, Star Wars. When FFG announced CW for Legion, I thought, oh cool Republic Clone Troopers against all kinds of cool droids but, shrug, Star Wars. When the Ep IX teaser trailer came out, shrug, Star Wars, I guess. It’s a lot of shrug, for me at least.

 Manchu wrote:
Haven’t heard about Star Wars for a couple of months, so just checking.

I care about Star Wars TV.

We're about to get another season of Clone Wars, and the Mandalorian has a lot of talented people behind it.

The movies? They pretty much died with the last episode. And the games? Well, it's Electronic Arts, so really who cares?

Oh yeah, I had forgotten that EA is making the new game. Yep, that’s a shrug.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, obviously.

But until Disney+ launches, there’s not a great deal to talk about.

Also, anytime a Star Wars thread is started, it’s roughly two pages before it just descends into the shocking, previously unheard of revelation that some didn’t enjoy The Last Jedi.

So, you thought you'd preemptively derail it before the end of page one by snarking at people who didn't like TLJ?

Like it or not, people's opinion of TLJ is going to remain relevant unless & until Lucasfilm can put out enough quality material to negate the impact it had on said people's overall enjoyment of the franchise. Realistically, you're looking at a minimum of the new season of TCW being good, The Mandalorian being good, the Cassian show being good, and the first of whatever movie trilogy comes after also being good before that test is met. Fortunately the first three outcomes seem fairly plausible, so cross your fingers for an Old Republic fanservicefest(that is also, ideally, just a good movie on its own merits) for the next trilogy.

Or the 9th movie could be just so utterly spectacular, so tonally perfect, and address most of the issues with TLJ in such a way as to, if not retroactively fix it, at least wash away the taste of it, but at that stage you'd be as well wishing for a unicorn because the chances of that happening are infinitesimal - we'll be lucky to get through it without them tainting Leia and Palpatine.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, obviously.

But until Disney+ launches, there’s not a great deal to talk about.

Also, anytime a Star Wars thread is started, it’s roughly two pages before it just descends into the shocking, previously unheard of revelation that some didn’t enjoy The Last Jedi.

Well done for trying to prod and push those who dare not to like such a cinemetic triamph (huge sarcasm) into a response

For me Star Wars is vaguely interesting but not if Rian Johnson is involved - I will see what turns up, look at trailers and make a descion for myself - not being beholden to obey the dubious instructions of self proclaimed experts like Film Critics.

Thank you for making my point.

At this stage, what does it matter? Your lack of enjoyment of a film in no way reduces my enjoyment.

But when a thread is about, say, the new Thrawn trilogy (just nabbed the third part), and it quickly descends into how much four or five posters didn't enjoy The Last Jedi? That's draining. Very, very draining.

I genuinely don't care if you don't like. I genuinely don't care if you do like it. To each their own. But do we have to hear about it in every single thread even tangentially linked to the wider Star Wars universe??

I'd wager no. No we don't.

But when the thread is asking about if you care about Star Wars and that film has generated such a response, it's difficult to have a conversation without acknowledging it.

The problem with the films is that if you aren't interested in the extended universe (I'm not), then they're the only source of reference. TFA was competent but uninteresting, R1 was good, TLJ was bad and Solo was competent but meh. One good film out of the recent four is not a good return and doesn't generate any will to care about the franchise.

I'll wait for reviews on the next film but I honestly wouldn't care if it was bad and I don't see it. I only watched TLJ out of morbid curiosity.

I might stick on A New Hope this Sunday evening with a nice Indian takeaway.

Apart from that, no interest

 John Prins wrote:
I just wish that the Disney movies actually told the more interesting stories that barely get mentioned. Like Luke's Jedi Academy couldn't have been several movies all by themselves? Nah, let's do another Death Star, only this time make it bigger and make the Rebellion even smaller, because we're too scared to not remake A New Hope.

My God, that would mean "I, Jedi" would get made into a movie. No no no no no.



I want to be hyped about Star Wars, but the Prequels were like Batman Forever and the Newquels are like Batman And Robin as far as the Star Wars franchise goes as far as I'm concerned. I need a Batman Begins to fix that for me. Right now Star Trek as a franchise garners more interest from me.

 Henry wrote:
But when the thread is asking about if you care about Star Wars and that film has generated such a response, it's difficult to have a conversation without acknowledging it.

The problem with the films is that if you aren't interested in the extended universe (I'm not), then they're the only source of reference. TFA was competent but uninteresting, R1 was good, TLJ was bad and Solo was competent but meh. One good film out of the recent four is not a good return and doesn't generate any will to care about the franchise.

I'll wait for reviews on the next film but I honestly wouldn't care if it was bad and I don't see it. I only watched TLJ out of morbid curiosity.

Oh I'm not meaning this thread in particular (could've been clearer). Just Star Wars in general.

What's your favourite ship design? - Oh, you didn't like The Last Jedi. Erm....thank you for your contribution.

Disney show interested in developing pre-prequels, set in The Old Republic. Wonder what bits they might recanonise? - Oh, you didn't like The Last Jedi? Erm....thank you for your contribution

Star War Rebels - persevering past the first ropey season? - Oh, you didn't like The Last Jedi? Erm....thank you for your contribution?

That sort of thing. TIme and place. And it's not every single Star Wars thread.

I'm looking forward to the Mandalorian, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was the best thing Disney has done with the IP so far. (and i'm surprised there is no official trailer yet, and they've left us sitting on bootleg footage for months). But as for the current trilogy, they threw a wrench in it with TLJ. Could care less how this turns out, in fact I can't see it resolving in any satisfying manner. I'm now 26 years old, and for me star wars is now a thing of the past, I grew up loving it, even have a slight soft spot for the prequels due to nostalgia. but seeing where it's going (nowhere particularly interesting)....I have little excitement left in me for it.

I'm 100% on board with the Dune movie and series though, anything Villeneuve does i'll watch.

I'm particularly interested in the Cassian Andor spin off series.

That's because Rogue One did an intriguing job of showing the dirtier side of The Rebellion, which in turn helps up the stakes somewhat. When nominally good people do Bad Things, in the name of The Right Thing (overthrowing a military junta), the threat they're trying to end becomes far more real.

And I'm a sucker for Eisenhorn type 'down the rabbit hole' morality. What does a life of sabotage and assassination do to someone Fighting The Good Fight? What is left of the noble spirit that first took up arms to fight for those who can't when it's all done?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Henry wrote:
But when the thread is asking about if you care about Star Wars and that film has generated such a response, it's difficult to have a conversation without acknowledging it.

The problem with the films is that if you aren't interested in the extended universe (I'm not), then they're the only source of reference. TFA was competent but uninteresting, R1 was good, TLJ was bad and Solo was competent but meh. One good film out of the recent four is not a good return and doesn't generate any will to care about the franchise.

I'll wait for reviews on the next film but I honestly wouldn't care if it was bad and I don't see it. I only watched TLJ out of morbid curiosity.

Oh I'm not meaning this thread in particular (could've been clearer). Just Star Wars in general.

What's your favourite ship design? - Oh, you didn't like The Last Jedi. Erm....thank you for your contribution.

Disney show interested in developing pre-prequels, set in The Old Republic. Wonder what bits they might recanonise? - Oh, you didn't like The Last Jedi? Erm....thank you for your contribution

Star War Rebels - persevering past the first ropey season? - Oh, you didn't like The Last Jedi? Erm....thank you for your contribution?

That sort of thing. TIme and place. And it's not every single Star Wars thread.

That's a pretty dishonest presentation of the situation. The form is much more commonly: someone expresses dislike for TLJ as part of a post explaining their disinterest in something, or because they've noticed a similarity in why they dislike a new piece of Star Wars media and why they disliked TLJ. They are then challenged over their dislike of TLJ, sometimes politely and often decidedly not, and the argument begins anew with folk chipping in.

You need at least two people to have a proper argument, and there's just as little preventing people who do like TLJ from simply scrolling past someone's passing remark indicating they feel the opposite way rather than leaping in to defend it or demand people "get over it".

To the extent that I will go see the next one in theaters, I care.

I think TLJ kinda poisoned the well on enthusiasm. It did for me.

The discourse surrounding that movie is highly toxic. The 2 locked threads here on dakka are nearly perfect examples. And it basicly makes me not wanna discuss SW with other people anymore. Heck read the posts in this very thread and it's already becoming a thing.

Some of us never gave a flying [Expletive Deleted] to begin with.

I still view the original trilogy with happy nostalgia but when it comes newer Star Wars stuff it’s all about our kids. Our sons like Star Wars and watching the clone wars cartoon with them was nice and battling them with Star Wars toys is cool. I have given up any attachment to the new movies/universe. Where they go with it doesn’t detract from my ability to enjoy the OT (I also liked Rogue One) and our kids like the movies even when I think they’re just nonsensical spectacle. It’s the same with any other Disney movie. Frozen is a narrative mess but our daughter loves it so I’ve seen it a bunch and I don’t get worked up over it because she’s happy. I’m not the target audience for this stuff and I’m cool with that.

I think it is going back to TLJ for me (sorry, really, for bringing it up).

The movie and assorted interviews were all very much "we don't want you as a fan of Star Wars anymore, you nerd."

Combined with me actually liking Solo - which is again apparently seen as, admittedly to a lesser extent, a 'bad' thing kind of makes me go, 'oh well, ok then, y'all have a nice time, I'll be over here with my Star Trek, CW tv shows and X-Men...

Star Wars gave me Science Fiction. Didn’t care about Star Trek, didn’t care about Battlestar Galactica or Dr Who. It was Star Wars for me. The original trilogy was my prize possession (even though I only owned the first “special edition”). I watched it until the tapes wore out. I gave the prequel a shot and my enjoyment for Star Wars wasn’t crushed. I played the video games, I bought into X-Wing when it became a thing...before the dark times. Before Rian Johnson. So regardless of what Mad Doc WANTS to hear/see, Rian Johnson’s Episode Trash: “the Search for Pissing on Fans” did ruin Star Wars for me. I’m apathetic after it. Couldn’t even finish Solo. I’m just...I’m out. And it is 100% the fault of that bad movie. I still enjoyed SW after the prequels. I loved the cartoons. I even craved the next installment after TFA. And now, nothing. So Mad Doc, the thread asks if anyone still cares, and I don’t. If you don’t approve of the REASON for me not caring anymore, I’m sorry. But the blame for losing me as a fan rests solely with that movie.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Some of us never gave a flying [Expletive Deleted] to begin with.

And some of you were handed the keys to the franchise it seems, otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.

I was such a hype starwars fan from my early teens (when I read the books) through my mid teens when I finally saw the movies(VHS), played a ton of starwars VG and read most of the expanded universe. I suffered the clone wars cgi for a good while in an attempt to sift for gold in the mire.
I'm so dulled to it all now, things I enjoyed have been retroactively tainted by the narrative failures of the sequel trilogy. I did enjoy Rogue One, so I'm not just a cranky old man who doesn't enjoy new things.

I worry that I might feel so dulled to 40k some day- I couldn't care less for Primaris. 40k is more of a pick and mix though, your headcanon carries more weight because the in universe information is limited and conflicting.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That sort of thing. TIme and place. And it's not every single Star Wars thread.

You were the second reply in this thread, and the first person to bring TLJ up.

It's called "poisoning the well".

I have no interest in the completion of the New Trilogy.

However, I am interested in other Star Wars properties; especially A Star Wars Story type movies. I will not go out of my way for them and there is no way I am going to subscribe to another subscription service for Star Wars.

This shocks me, as before Phantom Menace, I was a hard as carbonite fan before.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Thank you for making my point.

At this stage, what does it matter? Your lack of enjoyment of a film in no way reduces my enjoyment.

But when a thread is about, say, the new Thrawn trilogy (just nabbed the third part), and it quickly descends into how much four or five posters didn't enjoy The Last Jedi? That's draining. Very, very draining.

I genuinely don't care if you don't like. I genuinely don't care if you do like it. To each their own. But do we have to hear about it in every single thread even tangentially linked to the wider Star Wars universe??

I'd wager no. No we don't.

Pretty much what they said. I'm not going to post anything about SW when I know there's a 90+% possibility that the same handful of keyboard warriors are going to drag it into a flaming pit while the mods look on from the sidelines.

I've never been a huge fan of the franchise, but I did enjoy it, and it was part of my culture growing up/as a young adult. I watched the first one of the new films, but not the next ones. It wasn't bad, I'm just not that interested it the stuff anymore.

Now, my nephews/nieces (~5-10 years old) are the big fans: they watch the movies as soon as they get released, and have tons and tons of merchandise (costumes, action figures, legos, etc.). It's the whole Disney package for them, and even a big part of their trips to the Disney Park near Paris.

So to me, SW is really a big Disney franchise at this point, just like Frozen and the like. Seriously, my niece went from being a hardcore Frozen fan (can't remember the name of the princess she was dressing up as), to a fan of the new Jedi girl (Rey?).