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Conversely, there's a whole lot of people out there irked at the notion that they and their problems can be ignored because they're not being sufficiently polite and audience-oriented.

Nurglitch wrote:
Conversely, there's a whole lot of people out there irked at the notion that they and their problems can be ignored because they're not being sufficiently polite and audience-oriented.

shh... there's nothing quite like the hypocrisy of the right wing outrage machine. It's beautiful in it's own way.

Hmmm.

Isn't this.....politics

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hmmm.

Isn't this.....politics

Definitely.

One thing I try to do is distance artist from art, especially something as complicated as film making, where dozens to hundreds of artists help shape it. I have no problem listening to Bill Cosby albums while eating Chik Fil A.

Polonius wrote:There's been an overall coarsening of public discourse, certainly due in part to social media, but also to the increasingly polarized politics of our country.

That said... the right wing can shut up about the Mark Hamill thing. He didn't make fun of the kid, he made fun of the parents, who were trying to get some cheap heat by latching unto a popular fandom.

After seeing the internet call a high school girl a Nazi for essentially giving a glorified book report, I can't abide any pearl clutching at the moment.

Polonius wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:
Conversely, there's a whole lot of people out there irked at the notion that they and their problems can be ignored because they're not being sufficiently polite and audience-oriented.

shh... there's nothing quite like the hypocrisy of the right wing outrage machine. It's beautiful in it's own way.

Despite what you may think, this website isn't an echo chamber. Attacking ANY group is bad form, worse so when it violates the rules of this site.

 Polonius wrote:
One thing I try to do is distance artist from art, especially something as complicated as film making, where dozens to hundreds of artists help shape it. I have no problem listening to Bill Cosby albums while eating Chik Fil A.

Unfortunately, I don't think I can when the artists in question actively try to narrow that distance every chance they get. When actors attack their own fanbase (especially unprovoked like in this situation), I lose respect for them.

Let's leave all that political stuff in the bin. If anyone continues, they're likely to be mysteriously quiet for the rest of the discussion.

So what is everyone's favourite Star Wars alien? Mine is the Gran (the three eyed goat men) but a lot of their cool background seems to have been kicked out of the cannon into Legends

You want to know what really. Seriously. Genuinely. Harshes my Star Wars mellow?

The incessant and ongoing whining on both sides.

Liked a given film? Good for you. Genuinely.

Hated a given film? Good for you. Genuinely.

But, just leave be. I genuinely hate dipping into Star Wars threads and seeing the same old tosh doled out over and over and over.

Yes. I’ve done much the same myself.

But right now? Right now? I’m 39 years old. I’m staring down 40, and I know who’s destined to win. I’m also listening to the original Transformers Movie soundtrack because end to end it’s a stonecold banger.

Comment on the background. Discuss stuff between canon and no longer canon. That’s interesting.

But please. Enough with thinly veiled nonsense. Nobody really, truly cares what the next man thinks about these films. Not really.

I mean, I’ve been overly vocal, and I accept my own hypocrisy, because I for one absolutely don’t bloody care anymore.

WTF happened to fandom that we now focus on stuff we don’t like over the common ground?

We’re nerds. We’re freaks. We’re geeks. We. Are. Better. Than. This. And we should be united in what we enjoy, not bickering like buttmunches over minutiae.

So I offer a comment truce for those willing. Because ultimately, it’s all pretty bloody pointless.

Someone really doesn't like the Gran...

Trandoshans were my favorite. My Bossk toy saw a lot of action.

Now, however, I think i have to say Porgs. They are just the cutest cynical marketing ploy ever.


And now I wait patiently for the fan drama to ignite between the Sando Aqua Monster faction and the peace-loving Clolo Claw Fish.

I love porgs too... Especially with cheese on a bun just like Chewie!

I wonder how they would do baked in red sauce with Parmesan.

Sriracha sauce on mine please.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Now, however, I think i have to say Porgs. They are just the cutest cynical marketing ploy ever.

When life hands you endangered wildlife, make MERCHANDISE!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


WTF happened to fandom that we now focus on stuff we don’t like over the common ground?

We’re nerds. We’re freaks. We’re geeks. We. Are. Better. Than. This. And we should be united in what we enjoy, not bickering like buttmunches over minutiae.

This. . . . To go slightly (ok, majorly) off-topic for a moment, I would say that there are some fandoms where argument/banter/bickering are part and parcel of the fandom. I know I'm an oddity on this site, as I also absolutely LOOOVE motorsport. You get 2 fans of endurance racing in the same room, and an argument breaks out. Is Ferrari better than Ford? Is Porsche better than X? WHICH Porsche is the best Porsche to ever run at Le Mans? Is Lewis Hamilton a better driver than Michael Schumacher was? You see where this is going? Argument is part and parcel and a core aspect of motorsport fandom. In general, the motorsport fandom community does rally around one similar thing: NASCAR sucks.

I agree with this post in that, most of us are guilty of bashing each other over some aspect of SW that we happen to like. Seeing things put in this way, I am seeing a bit more reasoning behind my recent departure from participating in GW products as aside from my departure as a PT employee where I felt a "need" to be "excited" over every release (and I couldn't fake that anymore), there were enough regulars at my local shop where they generally had a negative view of things (ie, the ONLY way to play X army is this one way, if you're not using Y unit in this other army, you're stupid, ohh I hate how GW is doing this thing to prices, ohh why can't they just release the one hyper-specific thing that only *I* want???), it can be a real drag on things.



In terms of SW, I've typically loved the action sequences.

Re: the latest question, I'd say my favorite "race" in SW has to be the Mandalorians. I mean specifically Boba Fett, and the Boba Fett of the pre-prequel EU. Back when Mandalorians were this hyper mysterious thing where Mr. Fett was the "last" remaining Mandalorian. I loved something with the specific mysteriousness of him/ his race.

Continuing the hopefully less divisive trend, thought it was worth mentioning for anyone chasing an OT-era fix that a lot of the current run of Marvel Star Wars comics are free with Amazon Prime Reading at the moment (at least in the UK).

They are also fantastic, and to my mind, do for the OT what Clone Wars did for the PT; they really do a great job of fleshing out the characters and relationships in a way the films just don't have time to do, while remaining very authentic to the tone and styling of the original material. They also put Leia front and centre a lot of the time, giving her the chance to be the badass leader/war hero that the films always say she is but that we very rarely get to see.

The Vader run is also good, crossing over directly with that main one and generally just giving the aforementioned Dark Lord of the Sith room to be the brutal, impossibly powerful killing machine that you see at the end of Rogue One. The height of this is the Vader Down crossover, which essentially pits Vader by his lonesome against a planetary garrison of Rebels, and lets the fireworks ensue.

The other run I'd recommend, also largely free at the mo, is Doctor Aphra, a character I've done a complete 180 on having read her own run as well as her appearances in Vader. It's Star Wars from the Everyman perspective, but the Everyman that is also just the worst person imaginable. Not in an Evil Dark Side Empire ideology sort of way, but in an incredibly human, selfish and self-aware way that is by turns hilarious and really rather tragic. She's the exact sort of character I think DJ was supposed to be in TLJ, but executed far better with the benefit of a more complete focus on how exactly that sort of individual works in a setting that is largely defined by literal concepts of Light and Dark.


The Poe Dameron run is also on there, but I've not read that yet. If anyone has, is it any good?

I'd echo support for the Vader ones, which I bought as TPB.

Wasn't aware I get free comics via Prime....they might be tax dodgy, but at least I get something out of it.

I particularly like Dr Aphra - she's sort of like a d-bag Indiana Jones/Han Solo hybrid, whilst also being her own thing.

I didn't realise Porgs had so many fans!

What's so cool about the Transdoshians then? The way they look? Or that they hunt down living rugs?

Do you see Boba Fett's face in the original films? Turns out Mandalorians are not aliens but just Maori warriors...

 Kroem wrote:

Do you see Boba Fett's face in the original films? Turns out Mandalorians are not aliens but just Maori warriors...

I think you may be mistaken there

Fear and Dead Men....

I'm generally liking the way Lucasfilm has been handling its new 'expanded universe' style projects, it feels like they're applying the expertise they've built up from making the old EU all through the 90s but having the sequel movies in place constrains them from indulging in the worst excesses of the same. It feels like the authors are all on the same page regarding what should be concrete facts of the setting (for example, how the gaps in the Empire that the Rebels exploit come from an institutional focus on the big picture rather than a new and unique flavour of personal incompetence on the part of a specific officer) and in general it feels like the authors are supporting each others' ideas, or at least pulling in the same direction. I never expected to like the idea of Operation Cinder, but the more they build on it and its consequences the more intrigued I am about it. (Related: I'm listening to Alphabet Squadron for a third time)

I'm actually thinking it might be fun to do a one-shot campaign with the crew of a ship participating in Operation Cinder mutinying. It'd have to be a smaller one to be practical, like a nebulon B or something else, carrying some clandestine planet ruining OP...

Anyway, to the question: I actually really like the Nemoidians, bad accents aside. They were smart, industrious, practical, and for me embodied a sort of cutting-edge or high-tech aesthetic that contrasted with the old-school car feel that the Republic proper has (unfortunately the distinction got muddled during the Clone Wars proper and the CIS is a mess aesthetically). I also, from a narrative perspective, like the idea that they were basically dissolved as a culture and essentially reintegrated with the Duros because the Emperor rewarded their loyalty by making them scapegoats for the whole war.

 Polonius wrote:
There's been an overall coarsening of public discourse, certainly due in part to social media, but also to the increasingly polarized politics of our country.

That said... the right wing can shut up about the Mark Hamill thing. He didn't make fun of the kid, he made fun of the parents, who were trying to get some cheap heat by latching unto a popular fandom.

After seeing the internet call a high school girl a Nazi for essentially giving a glorified book report, I can't abide any pearl clutching at the moment.

Sorry er...what? Did I miss a post or two?

A bunch of stuff got moderated, so... probably!

 Kroem wrote:
So what is everyone's favourite Star Wars alien? Mine is the Gran (the three eyed goat men) but a lot of their cool background seems to have been kicked out of the cannon into Legends

This guy.

 Kroem wrote:
I didn't realise Porgs had so many fans!

What's so cool about the Transdoshians then? The way they look? Or that they hunt down living rugs?

Do you see Boba Fett's face in the original films? Turns out Mandalorians are not aliens but just Maori warriors...

As a kid, I loved monsters , especially reptilian monsters. But only if their faces carried on the theme. The lizard man from the Garfield Spider-Man movies with the reptilian body but flat, humanish face makes me angry. Trandoshans have snouts, and “lizardy “ heads, which made them awesome. Add in the claws and the voice, and you’ve got a winner.

A favorite is hard. I've always liked the blend. Its more common to see groups of aliens of the same species in the EU, but in the films they're all one offs paired up with one another to exaggerate the differences and keep things feeling alien even after you've seen them a hundred times.

Would have to go with the Devaronians as my favourite alien race because what every pub scene needs is the devil having a beer.

Anyone in the least excited about Resistance season 2 starting this week?

 ingtaer wrote:

Anyone in the least excited about Resistance season 2 starting this week?

I'm excited about the fact that it exists, so I can watch it some day...

Just finished season 1 of Rebels. Still have some catching up to do.