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 Elbows wrote:
... , but the Primaris thing is real...

Nonsense. I refuse to believe that Primaris Marines are anything but elaborate conversions with ProCreate.

 ScarletRose wrote:

 CodeKantorBlue wrote:

Spoiler:

Pintle mount in the firing arc of the turret at the rear is a bit odd. Rule of cool I guess. Maybe the turret has got a WW1 bi-plane style interrupter gear to stop it shooting the pintle gunner in the back of the head.

It's a strange design choice and seems like the MO for primaris tanks - overcrowded with weapons.

It looks like the turret has a targeting lens thing between the two stubbers, I'd probably do a conversion and put the pintle gun barrel there and make it a 3 stubber turret.

Not a bad idea. You'd lose the ability to fire at the dead zone directly in front (to my mind if not in the rules), but then there's always ramming speed!

I heard an interesting thing on the reddits!

"The reason you're seeing so many heavy stubbers in the new models is because long thing barrels don't make the transfer into resin well. They're trying to make it harder to recast their new and more expensive models. Same reason your seeing so many more antennas along with more clutter(gear wise) on models too."

Anyone think this could really be the case?

 insaniak wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
... , but the Primaris thing is real...

Nonsense. I refuse to believe that Primaris Marines are anything but elaborate conversions with ProCreate.

But cowboy hats on not-dreadnoughts are codex legit, amirite


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 Togusa wrote:
I heard an interesting thing on the reddits!

"The reason you're seeing so many heavy stubbers in the new models is because long thing barrels don't make the transfer into resin well. They're trying to make it harder to recast their new and more expensive models. Same reason your seeing so many more antennas along with more clutter(gear wise) on models too."

Anyone think this could really be the case?

If it is the reason, and I sincerely doubt it is, they underestimate the abilities of motivated crafters (and also black market recasters).

Resin tank type 3d printers can already produce fine & difficult to cast components, a route I have taken to make my own custom resin shoulderpads with moulded emblems. While not practical for entire kits at this stage (though the tech is getting better and cheaper all the time), it's close to pennies per print to repro the harder to cast bits.

No offense, but other resin companies don't really struggle so much with straight barrels - unlike Forgeworld. That's a fun conspiracy theory though. It also assumes people are in capable of slapping some brass rod onto an aftermarket mini, etc.

 Togusa wrote:
I heard an interesting thing on the reddits!

"The reason you're seeing so many heavy stubbers in the new models is because long thing barrels don't make the transfer into resin well. They're trying to make it harder to recast their new and more expensive models. Same reason your seeing so many more antennas along with more clutter(gear wise) on models too."

Anyone think this could really be the case?

They're wrong. Recasters are using plastic now and other resin companies make higher quality models than forgeworld.

...this is funny to me. this invictor thing actually somehow looks worse to me than the Dreadknight did.

what is it about them not properly armoring these things anyway. ehh. Primaris Train rolls on.

It is 'properly armoured'... The pilot is wearing power armor, which conveys the same save as a dreadnought gets, so it's presumably of similar resilience to a dreadnought casing.


Which isn't new justification, by the way... GW used similar logic way back in the day when transports counted as open-topped if models fired out of roof hatches, unless the occupants were in power armor.

 insaniak wrote:
It is 'properly armoured'... The pilot is wearing power armor, which conveys the same save as a dreadnought gets, so it's presumably of similar resilience to a dreadnought casing.


Which isn't new justification, by the way... GW used similar logic way back in the day when transports counted as open-topped if models fired out of roof hatches, unless the occupants were in power armor.

Forget mere hatches; observe the Land Speeder (all incarnations) – it has never been ‘open topped’ despite a couple of versions having the pilot’s feet literally dangling outside the vehicle…

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Does anybody else find it funny that the enormous transhuman in a suit of power armour still wears a leather glove in order for his bird to sit on his arm?

Assuming no one answered this, it's for the bird's sake, not the Marine.

 insaniak wrote:
Yup, that's my next conversion sorted...

To the Planet of Agua Freea deployed a strange marine one day, Hardly spoke to folks around him, didn't have too much to say, No one dared to ask his business, no one dared to make a slip The strange Marine among them had a big iron on his hip, Big iron on his hip

Even on a basic transport GW can't help themselves but put 3 different weapon systems on it so it takes 5 minutes to resolve shooting every turn while not actually contributing anything because it's S4 garbage.

Everyone so miserable haha, I really like the new stuff with exception of the new walker which I am not a fan of. The new eliminators and infiltrators are just great models and I will be buying more of both despite having them from the shadowspear set.

I'm terms of books in really looking forward to getting my hands on the codex and all of the individual books as well. I think I might buy the digital enhanced versions so I don't have to worry about amendments etc

the dred is built with "sound deadening" materials, have you ever hit anything with an exposed roll cage, let's just say its loud. so "foam" on the cage makes sense.

I like the holstered heavy bolter but I'm gonna try to model the fist actually grasping it. maybe it'll be the Invictor with no name?


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lord_blackfang wrote:Even on a basic transport GW can't help themselves but put 3 different weapon systems on it so it takes 5 minutes to resolve shooting every turn while not actually contributing anything because it's S4 garbage.

so you dont use different colored dice for each weapon? it really cuts down on time, unless you are measuring/deciding/shooting each weapon at a different target, which just sounds tedious.

Why on Earth do they insist to load vehicules for the new Mankind's finest with
low ap guard rear echellon/militia grade weapons?

Stubbers?!

I mean I like stubbers, but then I play Renegade militia.

Not Primaris.

 Mmmpi wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Does anybody else find it funny that the enormous transhuman in a suit of power armour still wears a leather glove in order for his bird to sit on his arm?

Assuming no one answered this, it's for the bird's sake, not the Marine.

About 30 people answered this...

So will this replace all existing SM codexes or will it be like CSM codex 2.0?

Racerguy180 wrote:

I like the holstered heavy bolter but I'm gonna try to model the fist actually grasping it. maybe it'll be the Invictor with no name?
.

Yeah, held in hand and aiming with it could look cool.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I'm stumped by this.

2. Dreadnoughts I get, the pilots are near or sometimes over the point of death, knights, sentinels I get, their pilots are mere humans in a horrific and deadly galaxy. Why would a healthy supersoldier get into a walker like this, wearing his own power armour? It's a total waste of resource not to have brother smith back on the ground, in his amazing armour, with his amazing gun, whilst some chapter serf and a bunch of servitors operate this vehicle as support.

The grey knights got all of the baby carriers, so the regular marines, being an older army, get strollers.

 insaniak wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:

I like the holstered heavy bolter but I'm gonna try to model the fist actually grasping it. maybe it'll be the Invictor with no name?
.

Yeah, held in hand and aiming with it could look cool.

Sideways, Sideways....

I want to see it throw the Pistol Heavy Bolter at someone. That’d be good for a laff.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I want to see it throw the Pistol Heavy Bolter at someone. That’d be good for a laff.

Hmm... A couple small springs, and I could probably build that...

For when six loyalist Marine books is considered too many: Increase it to nine plus!

Bloat for the Bloat God!

Anyone else notice the fantastic new dedicated transport for primaris does not actually have doors on the side like just about every other marine transport...

On the whole grim dark thing I'm gonna be that guy and say unless you were playing in the 90s you might not 'get it' 40k was mark gibbons art work. Today its bolter porn and more mainstream... our group just keep the darker setting in our heads

mortar_crew wrote:
Why on Earth do they insist to load vehicules for the new Mankind's finest with
low ap guard rear echellon/militia grade weapons?

Stubbers?!

I mean I like stubbers, but then I play Renegade militia.

Not Primaris.

I could be misremembering this, but in one of his Vox cast appearances didn't Jess say something about wishing they had used Stubbers more widely in past Imperial kits? Along with the AdMech maybe the design team is using the Primaris line to try and rehabilitate the (in there eyes)long neglected Stubber?

 insaniak wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

I can see it working on 'it is so silly that it is cool' level for some people,

Pretty much this. Same reason I like Logan's sleigh. It's utterly ridiculous, and so long as you aren't trying to take the setting seriously, that works fine.

Yeah, see, I've never bought into the idea that the only approach is a straight up binary of "either it's super-serial, or WHACKADOODLEDANDY anything goes wahey!". You can have dumb, and crazy, and so-bad-its-good without devolving into Logan Claus and McCree Battleframes. But that's what's confusing to me - sure, Logan Claus and Centurions and the Dreadknight had their fans and defenders, but the general consensus for each was pretty firmly that they were laughable nonsense, whereas this time loads of folk seem to love this particular dumbass idea.

I suppose the company's audience really has changed over the last few years.

Chopstick wrote:A sword/big knife would be a better weapon for the "Stealthy" Warsuit than the "Pistolised" Heavy Bolter.

In fact, why not both? Sword with built-in Heavy Bolter.

Then strap a Jet pack on it.

Now we're talking.

I really want to give it a big-ass sword; even more because I play DA and swords are pretty much their shtick

 insaniak wrote:
Yup, that's my next conversion sorted...

*When the pilot fights against the same Daemon he killed 50 years ago*
"You seem familiar. Ain't I killed you before?"

 Latro_ wrote:
Anyone else notice the fantastic new dedicated transport for primaris does not actually have doors on the side like just about every other marine transport...

It doesn't appear to have any doors... It has an open tray for a back end.

The stubbers on the not-grav-Rhino are hilariously bad - they're clearly just two stubber barrels jammed into a missile pod!

 insaniak wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
Anyone else notice the fantastic new dedicated transport for primaris does not actually have doors on the side like just about every other marine transport...

It doesn't appear to have any doors... It has an open tray for a back end.

Pfff... they're hover tank, the floor is the door, just fly up a bit and open wide. You also get the "dramatic entry" bonus point!