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Nah you just get some basic tenets from the founders. I wish there were more choices though but I think there's some strong stuff to do. I'm thinking of doing my Raptors Lias Bomb as the first part of Raven Guard + the 3" additional range so far.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
Notable that the lieutenant from Shadowspear isn't available, as he's not on his own sprue. I actually douubt we'll see him again.

In general those previews are a disappointment. I'd been expecting rules for another chapter or two. And there are quite a lot of models not yet with a release date. I guess they're spacing them out for some reason.

I'm glad they are spacing things out. Lets the wallet recover

yeah, I'm a fluffy monkey so wanna get all these supplements, my wallets going to feel that

I paid £12 for my Vanguard Librarian. I wonder how much the actual kit will be.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I paid £12 for my Vanguard Librarian. I wonder how much the actual kit will be.

My guess as a long ago former resident is that it will officially be quintuple that in the sheepskin funny money used down under.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I paid £12 for my Vanguard Librarian. I wonder how much the actual kit will be.

I imagine it'll cost what the standard primaris libby costs. which is pretty expensive, but it's a gorgous mini so there's that at least

Gotta agree on primaris librarian models. They've all been fantastic so far. It says something that Tiggy is the least attractive looking one.

And the primaris chaplain is amazing.

In fact they seem to be doing so well with cloaked or hooded primaris that I bet any Dark Angels minis will be stunning.

From all the leaks then of Codex reviews, did anything change with the Suppressors? Wondered if they'd be getting any alternate weapon options since basically every Primaris unit has at least 1 alternate weapon loadout option and would seem odd if they didn't.

Suppressors are the same. They do benefit from devastator doctrine on turn one, if you like that sort of thing. Downside is they can’t be bought anywhere outside shadowspear.

yeah supressors are the shadowspear exclusive sadly :(

They also still have no real way to mitigate their -1 to hit outside the Tactical Doctrine with Ultramarines. Oh well. I still think they are neat models.

Mandragola wrote:
Suppressors are the same. They do benefit from devastator doctrine on turn one, if you like that sort of thing. Downside is they can’t be bought anywhere outside shadowspear.

Listen carefully: Starter set Intercessors + Marine Jump Packs + FW autocannons (or sentinel autocannon). You can make them for less than actual Suppressors, and they look SO much better.

Sorry if this has been covered before, BUT:

1) who has the best review on the new codex

and

2) are the Phobos troops better than intercessors, or are intercessors better? I’m a little confused. Basically,
Should I buy Shadowspear or not while I have the chance?

Infiltrators fulfill a specific purpose and do it well, but you can't build around them as troops compared to Intercessors.

Infiltrators are what you take if you're concerned about deep striking etc. they're a hard counter to GSC as I understand it

Aw man, the Reiver Lt can’t take a Grav-chute...? Really? Not sure how to get him up with the Reivers now :/

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Aw man, the Reiver Lt can’t take a Grav-chute...? Really? Not sure how to get him up with the Reivers now :/

Does the Reiver Lt. mini have a grav-chute?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Aw man, the Reiver Lt can’t take a Grav-chute...? Really? Not sure how to get him up with the Reivers now :/

Does the Reiver Lt. mini have a grav-chute?

nope. honestly kinda annoying. it woul;dn't have been hard to include an optional one on the sprue

If azrael goes primaris... What will happen to the lion helm? There's rumours Lion El may come back so many he'll get it back after it gets a XXXL upsizing, or will the helm stay with Azrael, in which case, do they update the design to the new style helmets or not?


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BrianDavion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Aw man, the Reiver Lt can’t take a Grav-chute...? Really? Not sure how to get him up with the Reivers now :/

Does the Reiver Lt. mini have a grav-chute?

nope. honestly kinda annoying. it woul;dn't have been hard to include an optional one on the sprue

They must drop this ridiculous no model = no rules policy, especially with how easy it is to do conversion wise (backpack swap). This needs to be the next big push by the community with GW, it's just so daft. If it's as simple as swap a back pack, or a weapon conversion wise, bloody allow it!!

I just discovered an important fact many of these previews have missed

Relics of the Chapter = 1 CP
Use this stratagem before battle, your army can have one additional relic. All of the Relics in your army includes must be different and given to different models.

ERGO there is no limit to the number of relics you can have (CP allowing.)

 cuda1179 wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
Suppressors are the same. They do benefit from devastator doctrine on turn one, if you like that sort of thing. Downside is they can’t be bought anywhere outside shadowspear.

Listen carefully: Starter set Intercessors + Marine Jump Packs + FW autocannons (or sentinel autocannon). You can make them for less than actual Suppressors, and they look SO much better.

Anyone got any pictures of those?
Sounds like they could be good..

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Spoiler:

 ulfhednir86 wrote:
I'm pretty sure the RAW, this means not only is first turn deep strike but also means you can put your entire army into them. Especially since acceptable losses means that tabling isn't a victory condition.

Incorrect. While you can arrive turn 1, only the units are exempt. The part where you must have half your army on the battlefield isn't affecting units, it's applying to the player.

Incorrect the rule for tactical reserves includes the condition of number of units and points costs. The Drop Pod and units inside the Drop Pod ignore this rule entirely. Ergo you can NULL deploy with enough drop pods. Simply put if you have units that are not in drop pods the ones IN or ARE Drop Pods are not COUNTED as if they are in your army for the relevance of this rule.

ThatMG wrote:
I just discovered an important fact many of these previews have missed

Relics of the Chapter = 1 CP
Use this stratagem before battle, your army can have one additional relic. All of the Relics in your army includes must be different and given to different models.

ERGO there is no limit to the number of relics you can have (CP allowing.)

yeah I noticed that too, all the reviewers where claiming "ohh you can have only one other relic" but there's no limits on the number of times you can use this stratigium. my read is this is a buff not a nerf to how many relics you can take

BrianDavion wrote:

Spoiler:

ThatMG wrote:
I just discovered an important fact many of these previews have missed

Relics of the Chapter = 1 CP
Use this stratagem before battle, your army can have one additional relic. All of the Relics in your army includes must be different and given to different models.

ERGO there is no limit to the number of relics you can have (CP allowing.)

yeah I noticed that too, all the reviewers where claiming "ohh you can have only one other relic" but there's no limits on the number of times you can use this stratigium. my read is this is a buff not a nerf to how many relics you can take

Yeah it is a buff considering we have many relic options now due to Main Book + Faction Book. It's also a buff because if you want to run the typical list or 3 relics it's, 1 Free for Warlord, and 2 CP rather than 3 CP for 2 additional.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
If azrael goes primaris... What will happen to the lion helm? There's rumours Lion El may come back so many he'll get it back after it gets a XXXL upsizing, or will the helm stay with Azrael, in which case, do they update the design to the new style helmets or not?

I hope the Lion just let his pal Azrael keep it and fight with his head uncovered... like all other Primarchs and Sergeants like to do!

Definitely a buff. I could see myself using the banner, the Fist of Vengeance for my Captain (if it exists??) and the burning blade or some other thing on a lieutenant.

The flexibility is actually really nice. I could imagine giving the lieutenant the armour indominatus if he needs to stay alive for a mission, the relic of Gathalmor, or maybe even a gun.

Waiting with baited breath to see rules for Kantor, and hoping against hope that they come to their senses and bring Cortez back...

Mandragola wrote:
Definitely a buff. I could see myself using the banner, the Fist of Vengeance for my Captain (if it exists??) and the burning blade or some other thing on a lieutenant.

The flexibility is actually really nice. I could imagine giving the lieutenant the armour indominatus if he needs to stay alive for a mission, the relic of Gathalmor, or maybe even a gun.

you'll still only be able to put one relic on a character

Mandragola wrote:
Definitely a buff. I could see myself using the banner, the Fist of Vengeance for my Captain (if it exists??) and the burning blade or some other thing on a lieutenant.

The flexibility is actually really nice. I could imagine giving the lieutenant the armour indominatus if he needs to stay alive for a mission, the relic of Gathalmor, or maybe even a gun.

I play Battle-Forged Narrative so..
Relic of Gathalmor is mandatory, most my armies that can run 3 or more Psykers (unlimited powers).
Ancient Relic (I personally prefer the 9" range rather than the +1 to action on death.)
Master-Crafted Weapon is one that is going to be strong on lots of things.

BrianDavion wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
Definitely a buff. I could see myself using the banner, the Fist of Vengeance for my Captain (if it exists??) and the burning blade or some other thing on a lieutenant.

The flexibility is actually really nice. I could imagine giving the lieutenant the armour indominatus if he needs to stay alive for a mission, the relic of Gathalmor, or maybe even a gun.

you'll still only be able to put one relic on a character

Yes of course, but you can decide what to give them (if anything) each game, depending on what you're up against. Personally I've had quite a lot of use out of the Crimson Fist relic bolt rifle - which may or may not exist right now.

It is pretty funny that no chapter except WS and UM can use their Unique characters when the codex is released. Hopefully this wasnt an "oversight" or the last chapter could be waiting quite a while if we're doing 2 a month.

Of course someone will say "...but the index". Well that's a pretty absurd idea too, you telling me that its acceptable that we have to go BACK to a book that was made obsolete years ago in order to use previous versions of characters? lol.. also those characters dont have the Angels of Death rule.