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does that mean black templars and crimson fists are getting their own supplement? intreasting.

but good, Black Templars deserve a supplement, heck I thought it criminal that during 6th/7th the Imperial fists third company got a supplement but black tempalrs didn't

BrianDavion wrote:
does that mean black templars and crimson fists are getting their own supplement? intreasting.

but good, Black Templars deserve a supplement, heck I thought it criminal that during 6th/7th the Imperial fists third company got a supplement but black tempalrs didn't

That's exciting. I might have to start stockpiling BT upgrade kits. Anyone know how well some of the bits for on Primaris? Lol.

BrianDavion wrote:does that mean black templars and crimson fists are getting their own supplement? intreasting.

but good, Black Templars deserve a supplement, heck I thought it criminal that during 6th/7th the Imperial fists third company got a supplement but black tempalrs didn't

Carnikang wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
does that mean black templars and crimson fists are getting their own supplement? intreasting.

but good, Black Templars deserve a supplement, heck I thought it criminal that during 6th/7th the Imperial fists third company got a supplement but black tempalrs didn't

That's exciting. I might have to start stockpiling BT upgrade kits. Anyone know how well some of the bits for on Primaris? Lol.

Crimson Fists and Black Templars are going to be part of the Imperial Fists supplement.

BrianDavion wrote:
does that mean black templars and crimson fists are getting their own supplement? intreasting.

but good, Black Templars deserve a supplement, heck I thought it criminal that during 6th/7th the Imperial fists third company got a supplement but black tempalrs didn't

They will almost certainly be in the Imperial Fists book.

If they skip out on Ravens and Salamanders for BT and CF that would be hilariously awful. Hopefully they are crammed in the Fists book.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
(SIDE NOTE): They will be doing so for Astra Militarum as well. You will be able to still ally, but all the best rules will come from staying within 1 faction.

Source?

It's already in the SM/Ultramarine/White scars codexes ! You get doctrines only if all your detachments have the SM keyword. Doctrines are specifically made in order to push people to make one codexes army... And yes DA/SW/BA not having doctrines most likely means that they will get their own doctrines and that to get those doctrines you will have to get a pure DA/BA/SW army.

WhiteDog wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
(SIDE NOTE): They will be doing so for Astra Militarum as well. You will be able to still ally, but all the best rules will come from staying within 1 faction.

Source?

It's already in the SM/Ultramarine/White scars codexes ! You get doctrines only if all your detachments have the SM keyword.

I am talking about "They will be doing so for Astra Militarum as well"

 BaconCatBug wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
(SIDE NOTE): They will be doing so for Astra Militarum as well. You will be able to still ally, but all the best rules will come from staying within 1 faction.

Source?

It's already in the SM/Ultramarine/White scars codexes ! You get doctrines only if all your detachments have the SM keyword.

I am talking about "They will be doing so for Astra Militarum as well"

I think he is extrapolating from the current trend.

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
If they skip out on Ravens and Salamanders for BT and CF that would be hilariously awful. Hopefully they are crammed in the Fists book.

If you have the new Codex, check pg166. There's a list of what counts as "Bolt Weapons", described as being found in Codex Supplements.

Gorgon's Wrath is listed, Dorn's Arrow is listed, Blackout(I don't remember seeing this one before), and Quietus(which strikes me as very Raven Guard-y).
There's also the Gauntlet of the Forge and Drakkis listed for Salamanders in a supplement.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
If they skip out on Ravens and Salamanders for BT and CF that would be hilariously awful. Hopefully they are crammed in the Fists book.

If you have the new Codex, check pg166. There's a list of what counts as "Bolt Weapons", described as being found in Codex Supplements.

Gorgon's Wrath is listed, Dorn's Arrow is listed, Blackout(I don't remember seeing this one before), and Quietus(which strikes me as very Raven Guard-y).
There's also the Gauntlet of the Forge and Drakkis listed for Salamanders in a supplement.

Quietus is Telions relic stalker bolter.

Blackout is probably the ravenguard relic weapon.

WhiteDog wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
(SIDE NOTE): They will be doing so for Astra Militarum as well. You will be able to still ally, but all the best rules will come from staying within 1 faction.

Source?

It's already in the SM/Ultramarine/White scars codexes ! You get doctrines only if all your detachments have the SM keyword. Doctrines are specifically made in order to push people to make one codexes army... And yes DA/SW/BA not having doctrines most likely means that they will get their own doctrines and that to get those doctrines you will have to get a pure DA/BA/SW army.

I haven't picked up the new 'dex yet, but what, specifically, is being looked for to define an army as being able to use the doctrines?

If I'm reading the PDF update for FW units correctly, it isn't a keyword per day, but the Angels of Death ability - am I right on that?

 Dysartes wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
(SIDE NOTE): They will be doing so for Astra Militarum as well. You will be able to still ally, but all the best rules will come from staying within 1 faction.

Source?

It's already in the SM/Ultramarine/White scars codexes ! You get doctrines only if all your detachments have the SM keyword. Doctrines are specifically made in order to push people to make one codexes army... And yes DA/SW/BA not having doctrines most likely means that they will get their own doctrines and that to get those doctrines you will have to get a pure DA/BA/SW army.

I haven't picked up the new 'dex yet, but what, specifically, is being looked for to define an army as being able to use the doctrines?

If I'm reading the PDF update for FW units correctly, it isn't a keyword per day, but the Angels of Death ability - am I right on that?

Angels of Death is just four special rules rolled onto one (Bolter Discipline, ATSKNF, Shock Assault, and Angels of Death). To benefit from the doctrines every unit in your army must have the Combat Doctrines special rule (excluding SERVITOR and UNALIGNED units).

Ice_can wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
If they skip out on Ravens and Salamanders for BT and CF that would be hilariously awful. Hopefully they are crammed in the Fists book.

If you have the new Codex, check pg166. There's a list of what counts as "Bolt Weapons", described as being found in Codex Supplements.

Gorgon's Wrath is listed, Dorn's Arrow is listed, Blackout(I don't remember seeing this one before), and Quietus(which strikes me as very Raven Guard-y).
There's also the Gauntlet of the Forge and Drakkis listed for Salamanders in a supplement.

Quietus is Telions relic stalker bolter.

Blackout is probably the ravenguard relic weapon.

Ah yeah, Telion--the wannabe Raven Guard.

Blackout is likely one of the Raven Guard relic weapons...or at least the 'newest'.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

WhiteDog wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
(SIDE NOTE): They will be doing so for Astra Militarum as well. You will be able to still ally, but all the best rules will come from staying within 1 faction.

Source?

It's already in the SM/Ultramarine/White scars codexes ! You get doctrines only if all your detachments have the SM keyword. Doctrines are specifically made in order to push people to make one codexes army... And yes DA/SW/BA not having doctrines most likely means that they will get their own doctrines and that to get those doctrines you will have to get a pure DA/BA/SW army.

I haven't picked up the new 'dex yet, but what, specifically, is being looked for to define an army as being able to use the doctrines?

If I'm reading the PDF update for FW units correctly, it isn't a keyword per day, but the Angels of Death ability - am I right on that?

Angels of Death is just four special rules rolled onto one (Bolter Discipline, ATSKNF, Shock Assault, and Angels of Death). To benefit from the doctrines every unit in your army must have the Combat Doctrines special rule (excluding SERVITOR and UNALIGNED units).

Angels of Death is recursive? Interesting.

 Dysartes wrote:
Angels of Death is recursive? Interesting.

No, I am just an idiot who needs to sleep at normal times. Angels of Death is And They Shall Know No Fear, Bolter Discipline, Shock Assault and Combat Doctrines.

We already know for sure that Salamanders will be a supplement, a picture is going around of someone's White Scars dice that came in a "Salamanders dice" case.

DA/BA/SW will not be supplements. GW will not release these and then add "by the way, you have to buy the Space Marine codex too, sorry about that". Anything that will be a supplement is already in the SM codex, period.

We also don't know if DA/BA/SW will get their own second codex at all this edition. they may be relegated to existing books, CA changes to points and perhaps WD article for Doctrines, etc. I highly doubt it though as why wouldn't GW want to sell you another book instead of having source material spread all over the place.

telling SW, DA, BA fans that they have to buy 2 books instead of 1 to play their army is sure to go over like a lead weight from a PR POV

BrianDavion wrote:
telling SW, DA, BA fans that they have to buy 2 books instead of 1 to play their army is sure to go over like a lead weight from a PR POV

It's same than all vanilla marines. No one is really going to play without a supplement in the long run.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
and a DOZEN seperate units

All are obsolastartes though, no unique primaris units, am I right? See where this goes?

no Because I'm not one of the people running around wearing a tinfoil hat screaming "OLD MARINES ARE GOING AWAY IN A YEAR!" because the evidance is overwhelmingly that they're not going anywhere

Adeptus obsoletus are the future!

GW gave them some wonderful new options in the codex yeah.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
and a DOZEN seperate units

All are obsolastartes though, no unique primaris units, am I right? See where this goes?

no Because I'm not one of the people running around wearing a tinfoil hat screaming "OLD MARINES ARE GOING AWAY IN A YEAR!" because the evidance is overwhelmingly that they're not going anywhere

Adeptus obsoletus are the future!

Could not find Discord image, Crimson.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Could not find Discord image, Crimson.

Does it work now?

I wish GW would’ve just ripped the band aid off already!

I want Primaris squads with all the options, special weapons, heavy weapons, devastator squads, real assault squad options with jump packs...

I can no longer stand the sight of mini marines mixed in with Primaris - let’s go already!

(I’ve no problem with my mini-marines for 30k though!)

All kidding aside, I do wish Primaris squads had a bit more flexibility.

And s terminator equivalent squad too!

termy equivilant'll come I suspect. Primaris seem to be coming in waves, the next wave'll proably be the gravis wave

 Crimson wrote:
Does it work now?

Yes. You are basically agreeing with me ^^.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Does it work now?

Yes. You are basically agreeing with me ^^.

The codex is agreeing with you! (And so am I.)

Yeah the "GW isn't going to make BA/DA/SW buy 2 books" argument doesn't really hold. Why do they get 1 book, but they other 8 (counting CF & BT) do have to buy 2 book? How is that fair, or more importantly, consistent?

It would 100% make sense to bring all Chapters into the Codex + supplement format. Sadly, though, that's probably why it isn't going to happen.

Before today I was sure the door was open for those 3 to get a supplement update down the line. But after getting the codex in my hand, there are several places that specifically exclude those 3, seemingly closing that door.
So while it's great that they got an Errata to update profiles and give Shock Assault, those 3 won't be getting Combat Doctrines or the many new Stratagems.

What would have been nice about them being consolidated is that they'd be somewhat on par with each other and easier to update with blanket FAQs

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Can Space Marines still do that Assassins thing without losing Doctrines?

 AduroT wrote:
Can Space Marines still do that Assassins thing without losing Doctrines?

I've seen interpreations both ways, this is gonna be a FAQ question I'm guessing