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Maybe WHC has made an error and Pariah Nexus might include a copy of the core manual?

That would at least explain the price...

I thought we didn’t know the price?

Danny76 wrote:

callidusx3 wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
So are the rules in the box separate, or somewhere in that book mixed into all the contents.
What’s page 54-58 with the “rules” bit

The rules are available separately by buying the Core Rulebook. It is not in this expansion box

Jesus...
Read the conversation.

They said the rules Are in it.
Though they appear not looking at that book.
Hence the discussion..

We all know this is an expansion.

You asked a question, I answered. That’’s called having a discussion.

WarCom is frequently wrong and they are again here. The ToC is quite clear. The picture of what comes in the box is quite clear. There is no additional book or pamphlet.

As for pages 54-58, those are in the faction specific part of the rules, not the general section. So, it will apply to either both SM/Necron or one of them.

 Irbis wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Look like a whole 9th ed update for marine with deathwatch

Oh boy, I can't wait to see this gigantic middle finger to all the DW primaris players called 'suxxx to be you, no rules or wargear for you whatsoever'.

Or are they going to make the 40K insult even worse and actually drop this insane idiocy and give DW rules they had for years back to further piss 40K DW players by reminding them what they are missing now? Place your bets (ahahahaha, not gonna happen, no bit no rule is king now, what, you thought KT is some sort of customizable skirmish wargame with tons of conversions, upgrades and special equipment available for your squad? )...

Deathwatch Veterans are one of the datasheets shown in the Table of Contents (page 87), so I would guess the intention is for Deathwatch to be removed as a separate faction in Kill Team and instead them being pulled into the "Marine" faction, like in 9th edition 40k and as was already the case in Kill Team for Space Wolves & Dark/Blood Angels. So likely Deathwatch players will actually get access to a lot more toys in Kill Team now.

Actually, looking closer, there's also "Deathwatch" from page 67-69. That's likely their specific rules including special ammo. I would be surprised if they did not get access to the same units they now have access to in 40k as well; like all the Phobos units Deathwatch couldn't use in Kill Team previously. And the Watchmaster datasheet is in there as well (page 79), so looks like everything Deathwatch needs is in this book.

Danny76 wrote:
I thought we didn’t know the price?

The price was leaked at 125 euros which is about...£100.

Has GW mentioned if the book will be available outside the box...or eBay.

Don't think they have, but it would be ideal for a future book together with updates for other factions.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No regular Marine characters in power armour.

Limited weapon options aside, there really isn't anything stopping you from using minimarine models with primaris character rules.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No regular Marine characters in power armour.

There are plenty of datasheets for those already in Kill Team. I don't see the new sheets invalidating the old ones when duplicates dont exist in the new expansion.

When I look at which datasheets are included in the new expansion, and account for the fact that there are indomitus (re)release models coming to preorder at exactly the same time as this expansion, it's not hard to see what GW wnats you to buy hehe! Hint: It's not firstborn marines..

This of course means that firstborn marines will remain @ 1W in Kill Team, at least for the time being.. But since flesh wounds are so commonplace and they already have transhuman physiology, it's not such a big deal. A lucky 1W model can easily outlive a 2W model if the 2W model fudges their injury rolls.

 tauist wrote:

This of course means that firstborn marines will remain @ 1W in Kill Team, at least for the time being.. But since flesh wounds are so commonplace and they already have transhuman physiology, it's not such a big deal. A lucky 1W model can easily outlive a 2W model if the 2W model fudges their injury rolls.

All the Adeptus Astartes datasheets are updated in Pariah Nexus. They all have their 9th edition profiles. So Tactical Marines are 2W now.

 ohreally wrote:

 tauist wrote:

This of course means that firstborn marines will remain @ 1W in Kill Team, at least for the time being.. But since flesh wounds are so commonplace and they already have transhuman physiology, it's not such a big deal. A lucky 1W model can easily outlive a 2W model if the 2W model fudges their injury rolls.

All the Adeptus Astartes datasheets are updated in Pariah Nexus. They all have their 9th edition profiles. So Tactical Marines are 2W now.

They are? Sweet!

So this means the new datasheets just became very desirable to me, as I mainly play firstborn & scouts.. I really hope these datasheets will be available separately as well? I really dont want to buy the Pariah Nexus box just for the rules & HI's..

Ebay scouting, shouldn't be too hard.

Chopstick wrote:
Ebay scouting, shouldn't be too hard.

I'll resort to ebay if I can't make a split deal with someone in our "clan" - But I think there might be someone who would want the necron half so I should be Ok hehe

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/02/23/how-kill-team-pariah-nexus-makes-your-necrons-deadlier-than-ever/

More info on how Flayed one will defeat beefcake marine with their gauss blaster.

JK they suck, and they don't have gauss blaster.

BTW if you're wondering what's their sick "9th ed" flayed claw with armor piercing look like, they're S4 -1AP and 1 damage, but has lost their wound re-roll, so against beefcake marine with T5 , they still couldn't stand a chance.

Oh and a hit roll of 6 give 1 more hit, so that's something.


Although, Necron do get 8 new tactics, so maybe it'll be something like 1CP to fight/move again for the Flayed one, or give them +20" movement

Chopstick wrote:
Oh and a hit roll of 6 give 1 more hit, so that's something.

But I don't think this 'upgrade' was carried across to Kill Team?

GHD was saying that the former version would take 19 attacks to score an injury roll vs a primaris; the new "more deadly" version will take 21.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/02/24/how-kill-team-pariah-nexus-upgrades-your-space-marines/

Marines rise up to the top.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Voss wrote:
Bunch of characters in terminator armor, so several.

You know what I mean...

Funnily enough, DW terminator characters got shafted almost as strongly as primaris were in the DW book (melta fists, SIA and xenophase blades vanishing, special flamer ammo limited to one quasi-character in the whole army) so you actually hit the jackpot while trying to miss

If point remain the same sternguard vet will be a better choice than primaris intercessor.

Apparently the new Flayer Ones are on 28mm bases? Man, Necron base sizes are all over the place. I miss the relative consistency of Marines.

 AduroT wrote:
Apparently the new Flayer Ones are on 28mm bases? Man, Necron base sizes are all over the place. I miss the relative consistency of Marines.

Are they? I'm pretty sure they are on 32 MM.

 Sasori wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Apparently the new Flayer Ones are on 28mm bases? Man, Necron base sizes are all over the place. I miss the relative consistency of Marines.

Are they? I'm pretty sure they are on 32 MM.

 AduroT wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Apparently the new Flayer Ones are on 28mm bases? Man, Necron base sizes are all over the place. I miss the relative consistency of Marines.

Are they? I'm pretty sure they are on 32 MM.

That seems so odd, especially since the Chronomancer is on a 40 MM base. They don't look like 28 MM in their pictures.

More and more units are going to 28mm. It seems that 28mm is the new 25mm for... a middle ground between... bah. Theres no logic, like repentia in 28 and sisters on 32. GW just decided that. Is not like it matters.

I'm assuming it's a typo like the 65 MM for the reanimator and SKorpekh Lord. The pictures do not look like 28 MM compared to the 40 MM chronomancer.

Though they put Cryptothralls on 28 mm... so who knows.

Cryptos are on 32s aren’t they? I don’t recall them being smaller, only the Plasmacyte.

 Sasori wrote:
I'm assuming it's a typo like the 65 MM for the reanimator and SKorpekh Lord. The pictures do not look like 28 MM compared to the 40 MM chronomancer.

Though they put Cryptothralls on 28 mm... so who knows.

I doubt it is a typo. Warcry uses 28mm bases for some figures.* GW just wants to make sure you can't use 3rd party sculpted bases. By the same token the Shattered Dominion base set they sell does not have the 28mm bases either.

*In one of my Warcry warbands they came with 4 different base sizes, 25mm, 28mm, 32mm, and 40mm? Was that really necessary? I don't think so.

 AduroT wrote:
Cryptos are on 32s aren’t they? I don’t recall them being smaller, only the Plasmacyte.

Correct, Cryptothralls are on 32 (there was only a single 28 in Indomitus, IIRC, for the Plasmacyte).
Flayed Ones would look rather odd on 28 next to warriors, especially given how much these new sculpts sprawl.

On the other hand, GW doesn't have any sense of consistency with basing anymore. When they started mixing bases for Neophyte GSC, I just threw up my hands and started ignoring them. The giant plate for the SoB Hospitaller was just the nail in the coffin.

Voss wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Cryptos are on 32s aren’t they? I don’t recall them being smaller, only the Plasmacyte.

Correct, Cryptothralls are on 32 (there was only a single 28 in Indomitus, IIRC, for the Plasmacyte).
Flayed Ones would look rather odd on 28 next to warriors, especially given how much these new sculpts sprawl.

Yeah, my bad, I got them mixed up in my mind. The Plasmacyte are 28 MM.

I'm going to go check my models and do a quick comparison.

 Galas wrote:
More and more units are going to 28mm. It seems that 28mm is the new 25mm for... a middle ground between... bah. Theres no logic, like repentia in 28 and sisters on 32. GW just decided that. Is not like it matters.

They've said before that what size base a unit uses comes down to what the model looks best on.

I really like the Marines, with normal infantry on 32s, Gravis on 40s, and characters on 40s. Iirc the one exception are the Eliminators as non-character/Gravis on 40s.

Getting the Indomitus Necrons was a shock where the characters were on different ones. Really wanna put all the characters on 40s. Would definitely bump the Flayed Ones to 32s as well if I got any, though I don’t currently plan to.