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BrianDavion wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'm wondering if after the sm supplements ND upgrade frames come out whether there will be chaos versions to cover the 5 non god aligned legions


could well be, If I was GW I'd give a priority to a Black Legion ad red corsairs upgrade sprue. as shoulderpads and helmets for the other legions at least can be aquired from forge world

Feth no to black legion.
They got enough gak, give stuff to EC and WE if it really has to be.
Or RC, that i can agree on.


I'm assuming emperors children and world eaters will get their own codices with new berserkers and noise marines as the core, like death guard and thousand sons. Thus they can skip basic upgrade frames.
   
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I am kinda curious how 40k "Endless Spells" might end up being like. Fantasy has in my mind a much easier time doing such spells due to the innate fantasy of the setting. Therefore it is not weird to have a stampede of undead horses or a powered nuclear mushroom or a bleeding chalice of bones. The Endless Spells in AoS were also a way(at least with predatory spells) to affect the Double Turn. 40k spells of AoS diversity would be weird(except maybe for Orks) and currently there is no need to affect any double turns as there are none in 40k.


Back in 2nd edition there were a number of psychic powers and effects that remained on the battlefield. Vortex and Eldritch Storm come to mind immediately. Squats had a Force Dome power until they were squatted, IIRC; that could certainly be moved to Imperial Guard or some other Imperial army. This would be in line with the callbacks being made with releases like Genestealer Cult. It's not hard to imagine some kind of pestilent miasma cloud for Nurgle, walls of pink fire for Tzeentch, and so on. Tyranids/GC are perhaps a little trickier in terms of precedent, but I'm sure one could think of something. I could see these being given points values and made available for purchase on a 1-per-army basis or something like that (I don't know how Endless Spells actually function in AoS since I don't play it).


I remember those, but they were ultimately just templates with nice graphics and if you were to render those in 3D they would just be generic effects for the most part whereas AoS has galloping undead horses, skeleton chalice filled with blood, Demonic portal holding hand, and so on. Basically I fear that if they go the Endless Spell route it would just be one nuclear blast after another and if they were to go more the fantasy route it would look silly in the 40k setting.

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There are several Endless Spells that used to just be simple templates in Fantasy, or not even a template. Purple Sun used to be a blast template and now it's a spiky flying skull. Burning Head used to just be a simple Smite-like blast. The Comet used to just be a marker with a countdown timer. There's no reason why 40k powers can't be similarly modified. Vortex could have crackling energy flying off it. Eldritch Storm could be a whirlwind of power like Celestian Vortex or Warp Lightning Vortex. And it's not like all the Endless Spells are particularly creative; Scuttletide doesn't differ significantly from a base of Swarm units in the old Fantasy parlance. Heck, that could be one of the Tyranid powers, some kind of Larval Catalyst that infests enemy units with rapid-hatching grubs that burst out and then form a zone of chittering fleshworms on the table.
   
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Foot of Gork. They could make two feet, and have them walk around on the battlefield.
   
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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'm wondering if after the sm supplements ND upgrade frames come out whether there will be chaos versions to cover the 5 non god aligned legions


could well be, If I was GW I'd give a priority to a Black Legion ad red corsairs upgrade sprue. as shoulderpads and helmets for the other legions at least can be aquired from forge world

Feth no to black legion.
They got enough gak, give stuff to EC and WE if it really has to be.
Or RC, that i can agree on.


I'm assuming emperors children and world eaters will get their own codices with new berserkers and noise marines as the core, like death guard and thousand sons. Thus they can skip basic upgrade frames.


ditto me too. the reason I said RC and BL is because I can't go to forge world and order a BL ro RC shoulderpad set, I can do that for every other legion. thus the demand is proably highest.

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 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Foot of Gork. They could make two feet, and have them walk around on the battlefield.


Good god!

Just a Monty Python-esque Giant ork foot (or two) would be AMAZING! I feel like you could use it in AoS somewhere also. Just make it out of foam rubber, or plush, so you can actually set it on the minis (well, resin ones would still break... ) People would love that.

GW would need a giant version to step on people at Warhammer world for selfies.

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I'm going to bet it's not Endless Spells.

Then check back here after work to see if I won.

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My prediction is a new campaign book, battles in the cicatrix maledictum with new terrain that does weird psychic stuff. missions, weird battlefield conditions and imbuing all models regardless of race with powers (or making them immune to the negative effects of said terrain/conditions).

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I'm going to bet it's not Endless Spells.

Then check back here after work to see if I won.


I have thought it won’t be all along.
I get why people would think it, but it is one of those things where one person says “ it could be/bet it is this” and it just gains traction.

New campaign book. Best guess.

However, I’m not counting out Endless style powers, as I could see why they would. Money wise. Business wise should I say
   
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Don't know if it's been mentioned, but in the Psychic Awakening animated trailer, the ships flying in the background are Black Templar ships. Could lend some credence to this rumor.

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 Darth Bob wrote:
Don't know if it's been mentioned, but in the Psychic Awakening animated trailer, the ships flying in the background are Black Templar ships. Could lend some credence to this rumor.


it could but it might be reading too much into it, the fleet in the background is supposed to be aprt of the crusade fleet so the artist may have just thought "ohh crusade fleet, black templars!"

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They have been dropping incredibly subtle hints through warcom recently though. I’d love it to be true.

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phillv85 wrote:
They have been dropping incredibly subtle hints through warcom recently though. I’d love it to be true.


I just try to be skepitcal. hope is the first step on the road to dissappointment and all.

truthfully I just hope if they do do a Black templar box they don't put a ton of iconography on the minis.

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BrianDavion wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
They have been dropping incredibly subtle hints through warcom recently though. I’d love it to be true.


I just try to be skepitcal. hope is the first step on the road to dissappointment and all.

truthfully I just hope if they do do a Black templar box they don't put a ton of iconography on the minis.


Well, depends.

Assuming it's not a fake rumour to begin with, it could just be a box similar to the Space Wolves vs. Genestealer Cult one, e.g. a bunch of regular Primaris with one BT-specific character and a couple of BT-specific upgrade sprues.
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
phillv85 wrote:
They have been dropping incredibly subtle hints through warcom recently though. I’d love it to be true.


I just try to be skepitcal. hope is the first step on the road to dissappointment and all.

truthfully I just hope if they do do a Black templar box they don't put a ton of iconography on the minis.


Well, depends.

Assuming it's not a fake rumour to begin with, it could just be a box similar to the Space Wolves vs. Genestealer Cult one, e.g. a bunch of regular Primaris with one BT-specific character and a couple of BT-specific upgrade sprues.


If Black Templars get something, I'm inclined to believe the whole thing will go as follows:

GW releases the supplements for Iron Hands and Raven Guard with their respective characters and upgrade sprues while at the same time getting the rest of the Vanguard Marines out of the way. That'll be, say, by the end of the month.

Then another month later we'll see Salamanders and Imperial Fists (that contains rules for Black Templars but only comes with the Imperial Fists upgrade sprue that doubles for Crimson Fists, and a Fists character) supplements and instead of regular Marine boxes we'll get something Templar specific, like a primaisized Crusader Squad and an Emperor's Champion to lead them in a boxed set.

That way GW would get out two supplements and a load of Marine kits with each release window, and it would explain why the Vanguard release was split up.

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I think this rumour has slightly more credence with the psychic awakening trailer/announcement that, admittedly told us little but a few things stood out to me.

1. Orks and specifically "the Beast" were mentioned.
2. Black Templar ships featured in the trailer.
3. The article regarding psychic awakening states that there will be new models as part of the campaign and we know those models may be infantry as the first release is plastic banshees.
4. The two month release schedule for the SM codex supplements seems correct.
5. Though potentially obvious with all the hints, Shrike was indeed the Raven Guard character to be "Primaris-ised".

All in all I think the items above bode well for the legitimacy of this rumour, though it will need to be taken with a pinch of salt until we know more.
   
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I wouldn't immediately lend credence to the rumor simply because Shrike got to cross the Rubicon.
Who else was it going to be, Korvydae?

The "two month release schedule" for the Marine supplements is still up in the air. We've literally gotten one set of the supplements, and we're still waiting on a good chunk of the stuff showcased for the Marine book to get released(Eliminators, Impulsor, Reiver Lt, and Incursor/Infiltrator kits) much less the supplements to get announced.
   
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Regarding Ghazghkull, I've noticed that the model at Warhammer World (my local) has been conspicuously absent for the past couple of months. It was there during Orktober, and I haven't seen him since Spring. Just a little something I suppose...

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I think this rumour has slightly more credence with the psychic awakening trailer/announcement that, admittedly told us little but a few things stood out to me.

1. Orks and specifically "the Beast" were mentioned.
2. Black Templar ships featured in the trailer.
3. The article regarding psychic awakening states that there will be new models as part of the campaign and we know those models may be infantry as the first release is plastic banshees.
4. The two month release schedule for the SM codex supplements seems correct.
5. Though potentially obvious with all the hints, Shrike was indeed the Raven Guard character to be "Primaris-ised".

All in all I think the items above bode well for the legitimacy of this rumour, though it will need to be taken with a pinch of salt until we know more.


So you think this box (and the banshee) are related to the psychic awakening? That seems a stretch to me. They struck me as unrelated.
BT and psychics are non-mixy things, and unless the boxed set has a lot of weird boys. (Or Warpheadz or weirdboy tower battle wagon) there isn't a lot going on for a psychic awakening tie in.

4) not sure of the relevance here. Until the next supplements drop, there's nothing to support a 2 month cycle. A boxed set doesn't suggest or discredit it.
5) RG don't exactly have anyone else. Same with the other chapters- expect Lysander, Pedro, Vulkan and well, somebody new (iron father whomever)

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 Eiríkr wrote:
Regarding Ghazghkull, I've noticed that the model at Warhammer World (my local) has been conspicuously absent for the past couple of months. It was there during Orktober, and I haven't seen him since Spring. Just a little something I suppose...


Whilst it's hard to believe that they wouldn't doing an upscaled version of him in plastic, I'd have thought him disappearing from the displays would indicate that the model has been taken out for photography.

With all the other throwback stuff we've had recently, I wonder if we'll a return of the Enslavers as part of the psychic awakening.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't immediately lend credence to the rumor simply because Shrike got to cross the Rubicon.
Who else was it going to be, Korvydae?

None of their characters is the answer to your question.

Voss wrote:
So you think this box (and the banshee) are related to the psychic awakening? That seems a stretch to me. They struck me as unrelated.

The Banshees at least are absolutely related, the rune at the end of the psychic awakening video was the Banshee rune. Why do you think the box is unrelated?

Voss wrote:
BT and psychics are non-mixy things, and unless the boxed set has a lot of weird boys. (Or Warpheadz or weirdboy tower battle wagon) there isn't a lot going on for a psychic awakening tie in.

BT could be given all manner of anti-psyker units but I don't think that's necessarily going to be the case. Psychic awakening is a campaign and GW have stated that factions will be getting new rules and some will get new models. I think people are taking the psychic awakening a little too literally. It is the name of the campaign and though I'm sure it relates to some in-game lore regarding psykers becoming much more prevalent (and that being a problem for the IOM), I don't think it literally means new psychic units for all armies.

Voss wrote:
4) not sure of the relevance here. Until the next supplements drop, there's nothing to support a 2 month cycle. A boxed set doesn't suggest or discredit it.

The same person who provided the rumour that there'd be a BT vs Ork box and a new Ghazzy also stated that there would be a 2 month cycle of SM releases. So far that seems accurate. Did you watch the video in the OP? It might answer some of your questions.
Voss wrote:
5) RG don't exactly have anyone else. Same with the other chapters- expect Lysander, Pedro, Vulkan and well, somebody new (iron father whomever)

Again, GW may not have updated any character. I don't believe they've stated they're going to?
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't immediately lend credence to the rumor simply because Shrike got to cross the Rubicon.
Who else was it going to be, Korvydae?

None of their characters is the answer to your question.

By that logic, Khan didn't have to be Primarised.

But either way, if someone was going to hedge their bets...why wouldn't they use the guy who literally got promoted to Chapter Master in the lore?

Voss wrote:
4) not sure of the relevance here. Until the next supplements drop, there's nothing to support a 2 month cycle. A boxed set doesn't suggest or discredit it.

The same person who provided the rumour that there'd be a BT vs Ork box and a new Ghazzy also stated that there would be a 2 month cycle of SM releases. So far that seems accurate. Did you watch the video in the OP? It might answer some of your questions.

How exactly does "a 2 month cycle of SM releases" seem to have been accurate?

From my understanding, it was that there would be 2 months between supplements not "2 months with all the supplements".
So far, with the releases we've seen and a few tidbits that are known? Neither understanding of that "2 months" window seems to have worked.
August 10th(preorder date) was Ultramarines and White Scars--released on the 17th.
Since then, we had exactly one more bit of Marines and that was the Invictor, Phobos Captain+Librarian, and the Lieutenant that's basically "Ultramarines".

September 21st is already effectively known, since that is when the Beastgrave novel goes up for preorder--meaning that's a week that will be extremely unlikely to have Marines.

Voss wrote:
5) RG don't exactly have anyone else. Same with the other chapters- expect Lysander, Pedro, Vulkan and well, somebody new (iron father whomever)

Again, GW may not have updated any character. I don't believe they've stated they're going to?

The Ascended bit in the Marine codex begs to differ with you.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
By that logic, Khan didn't have to be Primarised.

But either way, if someone was going to hedge their bets...why wouldn't they use the guy who literally got promoted to Chapter Master in the lore?

Khan didn't have to be Primarised. To my knowledge, no one guessed that he would be either.

If I were a betting man who decided to make up a rumour and guess all of the most logical things GW would do, I suppose Shrike would have been my guess. Though I don't think it was guaranteed or even likely that any other chapter would be getting new character models.
How exactly does "a 2 month cycle of SM releases" seem to have been accurate?

You missed a key few words from my sentence; "so far".

From my understanding, it was that there would be 2 months between supplements not "2 months with all the supplements".
So far, with the releases we've seen and a few tidbits that are known? Neither understanding of that "2 months" window seems to have worked.
August 10th(preorder date) was Ultramarines and White Scars--released on the 17th.
Since then, we had exactly one more bit of Marines and that was the Invictor, Phobos Captain+Librarian, and the Lieutenant that's basically "Ultramarines".

September 21st is already effectively known, since that is when the Beastgrave novel goes up for preorder--meaning that's a week that will be extremely unlikely to have Marines.

Have you watched the video in the OP? The rumour source says approximately 2 months between supplement books that would come in pairs. Not sure of the rest of your point.
The Ascended bit in the Marine codex begs to differ with you.

Care to elaborate on this incredibly vague statement? I'm talking about GW stating they're going to update characters. Not a bit of fluffy lore in a codex.


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If you don't want to believe the rumour Kanluwen then don't. I'm not sure why you're so against the possibility of it being true though.

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Voss wrote:
So you think this box (and the banshee) are related to the psychic awakening? That seems a stretch to me. They struck me as unrelated.

The Banshees at least are absolutely related, the rune at the end of the psychic awakening video was the Banshee rune. Why do you think the box is unrelated?

Oddly enough, I don't recognize eldar runes on sight.
They had a brief video of an inquisitor whining about psychic awakening, then previewed a whole slew of stuff that had nothing to do with the campaign. Most of it wasn't even 40k. The banshee looked like one random thing in a laundry list of random things.

Voss wrote:
BT and psychics are non-mixy things, and unless the boxed set has a lot of weird boys. (Or Warpheadz or weirdboy tower battle wagon) there isn't a lot going on for a psychic awakening tie in.

BT could be given all manner of anti-psyker units but I don't think that's necessarily going to be the case. Psychic awakening is a campaign and GW have stated that factions will be getting new rules and some will get new models. I think people are taking the psychic awakening a little too literally. It is the name of the campaign and though I'm sure it relates to some in-game lore regarding psykers becoming much more prevalent (and that being a problem for the IOM), I don't think it literally means new psychic units for all armies.

Great? My point was a boxed set is just another random GW boxed set. They don't exactly have much depth. Just cheap starters to pull people into army purchases.
If they want to tie it to 'psychic awakening' there are much better armies to choose.

Voss wrote:
4) not sure of the relevance here. Until the next supplements drop, there's nothing to support a 2 month cycle. A boxed set doesn't suggest or discredit it.

The same person who provided the rumour that there'd be a BT vs Ork box and a new Ghazzy also stated that there would be a 2 month cycle of SM releases. So far that seems accurate. Did you watch the video in the OP? It might answer some of your questions.

I didn't. No real reason to watch random guy's random rumours- the summary seemed on point enough to go on with.
But there is no 'so far that seems accurate,' so far none of the five things listed in the OP have come to pass- there isn't any indication he's right OR wrong. It's like predicting an election- until it actually happens, there isn't anything to judge accuracy against.


Voss wrote:
5) RG don't exactly have anyone else. Same with the other chapters- expect Lysander, Pedro, Vulkan and well, somebody new (iron father whomever)

Again, GW may not have updated any character. I don't believe they've stated they're going to?

Well they're 4 for 4 so far. (including the primaris IH techmarine). So... as predictions go, it seems pretty rational that they'll do the rest.
Each supplement release gets a character and an upgrade sprue. That's what the first two did, and what looks like the next two have the same pattern (the preview pics on WarCom clearly have IH upgrade sprues)

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Voss wrote:
Oddly enough, I don't recognize eldar runes on sight.
They had a brief video of an inquisitor whining about psychic awakening, then previewed a whole slew of stuff that had nothing to do with the campaign. Most of it wasn't even 40k. The banshee looked like one random thing in a laundry list of random things

Well now you know they're related.

Great? My point was a boxed set is just another random GW boxed set. They don't exactly have much depth. Just cheap starters to pull people into army purchases.
If they want to tie it to 'psychic awakening' there are much better armies to choose.

All factions are going to have a focus in the psychic awakening campaign. I'm not sure you understand what this campaign is supposed to be to be honest. Not sure what 'better' armies there are to tie it to psychic awakening either. Orks and BT make perfect sense to me.

I didn't. No real reason to watch random guy's random rumours- the summary seemed on point enough to go on with.
But there is no 'so far that seems accurate,' so far none of the five things listed in the OP have come to pass- there isn't any indication he's right OR wrong. It's like predicting an election- until it actually happens, there isn't anything to judge accuracy against.

You should probably watch the video. My summary is exactly that and without some of the details you are missing nuance. I believe the video also mentions Shrike getting a Primaris upgrade which is correct and has happened. It also looks like Raven Guard at least are the next supplement.

Also Kirioth (the video source) has been fed a fair few rumours that have been absolutely on point - he named all of the Ork Buggies before GW gave their names, this particular source also fed him information on Blackstone Fortress that turned out to be true (as he states in the video).

Listen I have no stake in whether you believe these rumours or not. I genuinely don't care. I would recommend if you want to discuss the validity of the rumour however that you actually explore it in detail (at least watch the video, that is linked in the OP).
   
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