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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Guess Incubi are all male now. *shrug*

Weren't they always all male? I do not recall reading otherwise.

They had female model back in the day, don't remember they being mentioned to be male only.

It must have occured to at least a few people, that the units in the box are likely more heavily involved in the campaign book. Of which (as stated by the article) several units and characters central to the story get new rules. The banshees and incubi, Jain Zar and Drazhar are stated separately as getting new rules, so there are more units involved than just those new kits.
It might not improve any of the models in the box, but it might. The wrist slitting is premature, and I'm just excited for new models, new rules, and a campaign to change things up a bit.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Guess Incubi are all male now. *shrug*

Weren't they always all male? I do not recall reading otherwise.

The original metal models had females scattered through.

Incubi used to have boob plate female models and in the fluff are mixed.

No reason for them to be all male and nothing to suggest the new minis are all male.

hmm, I may pick this up - but will be looking to pawn the Dark Eldar stuff. Bracing for sticker shock - and how much taller the new banshees will be to my old metal ones.

Anyone planning to go Ynarri on this set? Curious if anyone will use both sides for their army....

 shabbadoo wrote:
Drazhar is decent, but not a Phoenix Lord. Okay, maybe there will be a comic called "Lil' Phoenix Lord," but he shouldn't be one. He's just a really skillled Incubi. Arha. Now there's Phoenix Lord, but he's fallen to Chaos

According to the Incubi he didn't fall, he was possessed but managed to hold the demon at bay from corrupting his spirit (although it controlled his body) and when he was killed by his disciples his soul escaped, pure, and inhabited those followers, so could have been reborn as other Phoenix Lords are. The other story is clearly Craftworld propaganda.

 Stormonu wrote:
hmm, I may pick this up - but will be looking to pawn the Dark Eldar stuff. Bracing for sticker shock - and how much taller the new banshees will be to my old metal ones.

Anyone planning to go Ynarri on this set? Curious if anyone will use both sides for their army....

I'll be buying 2 of these boxes and keeping everything, will take me up to ~50 Incubi, but 30 or so are metal and about 15 are finecrap so I'll like having the 10 plastics. I have 5 venoms, but sometimes want to run seven so two more is perfect. I have 15 scourges but would be happy for 2 more units as then I can paint them up in my Ynnari colour scheme instead of my DE one. I have 2 old Drazhars, which will become Klaivexes I think. I only have 1 Falcon as I started collecting Craftworld Eldar Eldar after they became rubbish, so will be glad to round that out to 3. I don't have any banshees (same reason I only have 1 Falcon) and don't have Jain or any Vypers, so getting some for my collecting will be nice. I can use the second Drazhar I get to convert a badass looking Visarch (I'm not a huge fan of the current Visarch, even though I have one). Don't know what to do with Jain 2. Maybe some head and arm swaps and make her into a Harlequin. Dark Eldar are my first love, but I play all 3? 4? 5? 7? 8? Eldar factions. Hard to say how many Eldar factions there are (Do Ynarri count separately? Are Kabal/Coven/Cult/Mercs 1, 3 or 4 factions? I can still count my Corsairs right?).

180 euros for the box...

Chopstick wrote:
Guess Incubi are all male now. *shrug*

How can you tell? We don't see their genitals and we don't even know what eldar genitals look like...

Sunny Side Up wrote:
If that were the case, the implication would also be that Incubi are Daemons that have sex with sleeping women.

Yeah, if we are silly enough to use christian mythology as an explaining guide for dark eldar units, then incubi are just succubi that had sex with men, and stored the semen to impregnate women.
I think this somehow isn't perfectly compatible with the established lore. I dare anyone thinking otherwise to find any indication in the lore that all incubi used to be succubi, and how does the whole "have to kill another incubi to become an incubi" fits with this interpretation?

 CragHack wrote:
180 euros for the box...

Thanks for posting. You are the second one mentioning that price. Too much was my first reaction, but there is quite a lot in this set.

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I will probably skip it. 130 would have made it an instant purchase

Warhams-77 wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
180 euros for the box...

Thanks for posting. You are the second one mentioning that price. Too much was my first reaction, but there is quite a lot in this set.

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I will probably skip it. 130 would have made it an instant purchase

£140 in GBP (not sure I'd seen it mentioned) - they priced me out of this one tbh.

Oof, that's an obscene amount

There are way too many near useless models in this box for that price to be reasonable.

£140!?

For a Falcon, a Vyper, and only FIVE Banshees!?

They have to be joking.

Clearly the value is coming from the books in the set, just a shame the actual box value is so poor.

Even without the characters that's £15 off. Assuming each character is £20 that's £55 off buying everything at standard prices. With local retailer discount at 20% you're looking at £112 for something that would cost £200 if bought direct, that's not bad if you want the models. If they buff the rules for these things (some of the lower performing things in each force) then the box might go from near-worthless to must buy.

To be fair, not including the new models or the book, the rest comes in at £107.50.

Presuming it's another £30 book, and that the new models cost the same as the old, you're looking at a separate total of £217.50. Pretty big discount.... However, i agree. Based on the current rules for most of the models in the box, it's just not worth it for a current player to pick up the box imo. If you can split it 50/50, then maybe, but, even then, you're not likely to use the models outside of attempting to re-do the book "narrative missions".

Kdash wrote:


Presuming it's another £30 book...

Which is already an absurd value proposition by itself.

Kdash wrote:
Presuming it's another £30 book

Does the box set actually come with Phoenix Rising? I had the impression that it didn't.

If it turns out they make my scourges and Hellions useable AND give me them at a discount I'll be a very happy camper. If we don't see any rules updates for them then... I'll be a moderately content one. Some of my favourite models.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the falcon is a very good unit. 137 PTS for a flying tank with twelve wounds and basically a triple las cannon that can carry a small squad of infantry is great value. If you want a dedicated transport go for the serpent, it's damage output is pretty poor, it's more expensive but it's tougher and has double the capacity.
A single falcon out damages a fire prism for 20pts less. With the strat prisms shine but only in groups of three.
I do wonder if the people who write it off have ever tried actually using one.

 Burnage wrote:

Kdash wrote:
Presuming it's another £30 book

Does the box set actually come with Phoenix Rising? I had the impression that it didn't.

Same. I think it comes with another book specifically around the blood of the phoenix stuff. Not Phoenix Rising.

Jacob29 wrote:Clearly the value is coming from the books in the set, just a shame the actual box value is so poor.

Kdash wrote:To be fair, not including the new models or the book, the rest comes in at £107.50.

Presuming it's another £30 book.

Ok to try and clear things up, the book that comes in the Blood of the Phoenix box is not the Psychic Awakening book. Its a 40 page campaign book like the ones that came in all the other double force boxes over the last year or so. Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising is a separate release. Nothing personal guys, you are just the most recent examples of people seeming to get them mixed up.

kingheff wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the falcon is a very good unit. 137 PTS for a flying tank with twelve wounds and basically a triple las cannon that can carry a small squad of infantry is great value. If you want a dedicated transport go for the serpent, it's damage output is pretty poor, it's more expensive but it's tougher and has double the capacity.
A single falcon out damages a fire prism for 20pts less. With the strat prisms shine but only in groups of three.
I do wonder if the people who write it off have ever tried actually using one.

It's problem is that it's main wep is Heavy. Wave Serpents can just run Assault Weps, move, drop full squad off. Easy peasy.

It doesn't help that Aspect Warriors suck atm so what unit of 6 are you going to carry in a Falcon?

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:Clearly the value is coming from the books in the set, just a shame the actual box value is so poor.

Ok to try and clear things up, the book that comes in the Blood of the Pheonix box is not the Psychic Awakening book. Its a 40 page campaign book like the ones that came in all the other double force boxes over the last year or so. Psychic Awakening: Phoenix Rising is a separate release. Nothing personal guys, you are just the most recent examples of people seeming to get them mixed up.

Oh... well that's an even bigger shame.

So what I'm getting from this release is

"you should be excited if you're an Aeldari Player! Yep, all the Aeldari races, Drukhari, Craftworlds and Ynnari. That's all of them! They all get rules! We can't possibly think of any other aeldari faction we could be forgetting...hm....I feel like there's been one doing comparatively extremely poorly in the competitive scene, with horrendous and boring rules for all their wargear, a terrible psychic power list, no special character models at all, and only a handful of units.

Nope! Must have been our imagination. anyway stay tuned for the rest of psychic awakening, where EverybodyTM will be getting rules and we definitely won't be forgetting about half the minor factions when convenient."

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Hellebore wrote:

phillv85 wrote:

Drager wrote:

phillv85 wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
Guess Incubi are all male now. *shrug*

As they should be according to mythology.

Do you mean the mythology about demonic Incubi? I don't know any 40k mythology that has Incubi as always male.

Yes, classic mythology.

I mean it's true, but it doesn't make much sense that the Eldar use ancient earth mythology

GW name the units dude, not Eldar. The implication has always been that Incubi are all male, just as Wyches are all female.

Ssooooo all the main wyches in images lore and models - pretty sure there is a female Incubi image or quote as well in the Codex....

Rip Corsairs :(

Jacob29 wrote:
£140!?

For a Falcon, a Vyper, and only FIVE Banshees!?

They have to be joking.

Clearly the value is coming from the books in the set, just a shame the actual box value is so poor.

Ummm guess you forgot they have dark eldars there as well. Or you were planning to throw them to garbage?

tneva82 wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:
£140!?

For a Falcon, a Vyper, and only FIVE Banshees!?

They have to be joking.

Clearly the value is coming from the books in the set, just a shame the actual box value is so poor.

Ummm guess you forgot they have dark eldars there as well. Or you were planning to throw them to garbage?

Obviously. But their side is actually decent bar the Hellions but hey.

I only really have a problem with the CWE side of the box.

Forgive me for not being clear with the book costs and my total.

Due to the book and the box set being intrinsically linked, I took the (wrong) liberty of presuming one would purchase the two items together. Slightly skewed the numbers though.

As it stands, the contents of the box would be at least £187.50 when everything is brought individually. Boxset wise we’re probably looking at ~£67discount. Buying the 2 together is likely going to cost around £150.

So, whilst likely to still be a pointless buy for the majority of players, it still remains a pretty decent discount overall.

As with all these boxes, the real boon will be to players looking for cheaper existing kits.

I got a Harli army for pennies when the Deathwatch/Harli box came out. Got myself a good amount of Lychguard and Immortals when Forge Bane hit.

Now maybe some Scourges, and the other DE units whose names escape me right now, all for cheap.

Jacob29 wrote:

kingheff wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the falcon is a very good unit. 137 PTS for a flying tank with twelve wounds and basically a triple las cannon that can carry a small squad of infantry is great value. If you want a dedicated transport go for the serpent, it's damage output is pretty poor, it's more expensive but it's tougher and has double the capacity.
A single falcon out damages a fire prism for 20pts less. With the strat prisms shine but only in groups of three.
I do wonder if the people who write it off have ever tried actually using one.

It's problem is that it's main wep is Heavy. Wave Serpents can just run Assault Weps, move, drop full squad off. Easy peasy.

It doesn't help that Aspect Warriors suck atm so what unit of 6 are you going to carry in a Falcon?

When I get my third falcon I will try out three squads of six avengers with a dual wielding exarch all riding in falcons with star cannon and CTM for a total of 597 PTS. The falcons have decent all round fire power and the movement to get into position to take advantage of the CTM. They also keep my precious eldar alive and probably not target priority number one.
Is it tournament winning? No. Is it gak as so many seem to think? Also a no.