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 Shadenuat wrote:
I see "points values". The hope is nigh.

It's probably just reprinting the points values of the included datasheets, sadly.

I don't see any stratagems though.

Powers of the Aspect Shrines probably. We know there's at least ability to take +1 power on squad.

Racerguy180 wrote:
I'm pretty sure that the entire box could run in an appropriately pointed narrative based game.

they didnt say anything about the contents being set up specifically for tournament/competitive. it is a good start for a new collector.

Only for people who are going to take a very roundabout way to get started.


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Marin wrote:
Hmm someone saw that there is coven that is -1 to damage ?
Can some units use it and be better with it ?

Debatable, compared to the 4++ of Prophets it'll be better against some weapons (mostly D2 ones) and worse against others. The most important part is that if you take that trait, you can't have a second.

guessing the most popular combo will the the 6+ invul save combined with expert crafters.

 Imateria wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:
I'm pretty sure that the entire box could run in an appropriately pointed narrative based game.

they didnt say anything about the contents being set up specifically for tournament/competitive. it is a good start for a new collector.

Only for people who are going to take a very roundabout way to get started.

Not everyone builds their army for competitive play.

 Shadenuat wrote:
I see "points values". The hope is nigh.

Points values for the data sheets in the book, nothing else.

Racerguy180 wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:
I'm pretty sure that the entire box could run in an appropriately pointed narrative based game.

they didnt say anything about the contents being set up specifically for tournament/competitive. it is a good start for a new collector.

Only for people who are going to take a very roundabout way to get started.

Not everyone builds their army for competitive play.

No, but its a poor start for a collector. There's no theme, no troops, no nothing. You can't even field a legal patrol detachment with the box contents. Even if you somehow combine both and call 'em Ynnari.

A DE player has a venom, a poor Cult unit and nothing else that actually fits into the way DE are organized. Incubi are generally bodyguards for others, scourges are general mercs. They benefit from nothing the DE codex offers .

The craftworld side is a roleless tank, a random single vyper and a bare handful of aspect warriors. No craftworld organizes its forces that way.

You could use a random number generator and field a more fluffy force than what the box gives you.

Nice base

So looking at the contents page, why did this even need to be a book? I'm pretty sure GW has released FAQs with more pages than these rules.

 vipoid wrote:
So looking at the contents page, why did this even need to be a book? I'm pretty sure GW has released FAQs with more pages than these rules.

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so your telling me that if you dont own any of those models, the box is worthless. That you couldnt use the Banshees, Incubi, venom, falcon, vyper & 2 badass characters? add in a couple boxes of troops and heavy support and then you have a beginnings of a decent force(just not competitive).

It's not an army in a box, just an expensive start collecting with a couple of vehicles added in.

 vipoid wrote:
So looking at the contents page, why did this even need to be a book? I'm pretty sure GW has released FAQs with more pages than these rules.

To be fair, several of the SM supplements total about 8 pages of rules. This has a fair bit more, even if you aren't interested in the missions.

Though 80 pages does seem really phoned in, especially since the Ynarri stuff is just copy-pasta from white dwarf. They could have at least done a Ynnari makeover with another 16 pages.



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Racerguy180 wrote:
so your telling me that if you dont own any of those models, the box is worthless. That you couldnt use the Banshees, Incubi, venom, falcon, vyper & 2 badass characters? add in a couple boxes of troops and heavy support and then you have a beginnings of a decent force(just not competitive).

It's not an army in a box, just an expensive start collecting with a couple of vehicles added in.

Yes. Its an expensive 'start collecting' box that requires you to collect a pile of other stuff before you can use it. Hence not actually a start to a collection in any way- the other stuff you have to buy is your actual starting point. That is extremely terrible and worthless.

GW has done a lot of good starter boxes over the years, where you're basically not paying full price for the half of the army you actually want, and it is out of the box workable at low points. This does neither. This is solely to pre-sell new models at a premium price, and move some of their junk stock. 'Competitive' doesn't enter into it. This is a classic sales trap for people who 'need' new stuff 'now,' regardless of what it is, or how inflated the costs are.

I'm starting to feel really underwhelmed from this upcoming book. There aren't many missions, the additional rules look meh, really disappointing. Could have been so much more.

Racerguy180 wrote:

It's not an army in a box, just an expensive start collecting with a couple of vehicles added in.

That's not the greatest argument in favor of the box...

In a few mins we will see the AUD price, but looking at the NZ price I am not optimistic.

Dumb Smart Guy wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:

It's not an army in a box, just an expensive start collecting with a couple of vehicles added in.

That's not the greatest argument in favor of the box...

I'm only stating that it isnt worthless, not that it's the best. it is overpriced, if it was $150 I'd buy it due to not having those models yet, since it isnt at a price point I think is reasonable I'm not gonna buy it. But all of it would fit into my current ynarri army nicely.

So I’m a bit slow here, but what is the American cost of Blood of the Phoenix if it’s $390 dollarydoos?

AUD$390.

Geee-zuhs.

Stormclaw was AUD$190.
Deathstorm was AUD$190.
Death Masque was (IIRC) AUD$220.
Forge Bane was AUD$240.

This price is obscene.

 godswildcard wrote:
So I’m a bit slow here, but what is the American cost of Blood of the Phoenix if it’s $390 dollarydoos?

$230 US is what I've been hearing.

 ScarletRose wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
So I’m a bit slow here, but what is the American cost of Blood of the Phoenix if it’s $390 dollarydoos?

$230 US is what I've been hearing.

Geez...


I wonder what kind of discount I can find on it. I’d really like Drazhar and the Incubi, but that price is about as far away from an ‘auto-buy’ for me as a box can get.

Drazhar look a bit plain, he didn't even have a unique weapon model.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

This price is obscene.

Honestly, I'm kind of glad - but for all the wrong reasons. My White Dwarf subscription is up for renewal next month, and I was on the fence on whether or not to renew it. But it's clear that GW has lost their god damned mind. I really don't like GW chasing whales.

I was initially going to get this box for the Dark Eldar half. But there is no way I could sell the Eldar half for $115. This is just obscene. I guess I will just have to wait for the models to be available separate. And it sucks because I really do like Drazhar and the Incubi.

Edit: people are listing Drazhar and Jain for $35 on eBay. They will likely cost that anyway. So I will just get them that way. Screw the boxed set.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
AUD$390.

What the actual feth. Like, legitimately, what the feth.

Once more with feeling. What. The. fething hell are they doing?



And one last time. What the feth!

I posted this in the other thread, but I saw it and it....just...yeah...



Basically the full contents of both Dark Imperium and ...Know no Fear? The secondary set. That includes all the books (as pointless as they are now), the dice, etc. etc...

@Elbows That is just disgusting.

I know! Who would bother to buy Dark Imperium AND Know No Fear? They are essentially the same box.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
AUD$390.

Geee-zuhs.

Stormclaw was AUD$190.
Deathstorm was AUD$190.
Death Masque was (IIRC) AUD$220.
Forge Bane was AUD$240.

This price is obscene.

Preach. I hate to be yet another voice complaining about GW’s pricing, but I’m having serious reservations about the rumoured Blood Angels release for Part 3 if this is the price point.

 Sqorgar wrote:
I know! Who would bother to buy Dark Imperium AND Know No Fear? They are essentially the same box.

I did given I wanted another 5 man intercessor and hellblaster squad and thus it was cheaper to just buy Know no fear then buy the respective boxes.

My biggest fear about this box, it's going to fail and fail hard. and GW in their "infinate wisdom" is going to point to this and not say "We charged too fething much for this and hit the wall where people simply won't buy" instead they're going to say "WELL GUESS PEOPLE DON'T LIKE ELDAR! SCREW UPDATING ASPECT WARRIORS! QUICK MAKE MORE PRIMARIS LEUITENANTS"

I urge everyone to post on GW's facebook page and highlight the price as being too high. it won't correct the price on this box, but perhaps it'll make GW reconsider the future.

Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. This will sell out, due to "Fear of Missing Out", and it will only encourage GW to price the next one even higher.

The prices have gotten too rich for my blood. No way in hell I'm buying this one, and I was really looking forward to them doing Eldar Aspects in plastic.