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Danny76 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
EC and WE codices will come out when the primarchs for those two legions do.

But I think this release puts them really far out compared to what we thought before..

Possibly, but they could just absorb the PA rules into a full codex later like how codex SM 2.0 and supplements absorbed some of the relics and stratagems from the vigils books and codex approved blood havens and crimson fists. Also wouldn't hurt to potentially get people excited for world eaters and buying up Khan and berserkers now, only to have a bunch of whole new units in like 6 months. Not likely, but possible.

I do think we need a second loyalist primarch, or better yet primarch level ghazkull release before another traitor primarch though.

I'd love a new Ghaz.

... i like the new SoB tanks. good job on those, GW.

took a lot longer for me to find more things to like about the new sisters stuff.

So whats the overunder on the Repressor being legacy?

I'd say 99% chance the Repressor goes Legends. Unless they add it to the Codex, which I doubt seeing we have seen the three current vehicles redone with no sign of a Repressor, there is no current model so no need for current rules.

So, is that the Lion or Sanguinius in that video?

Why is no one talking about the Death Lord? Seems like that would be big news...

We already knew about Mephiston. It isn't news at all.

It isn't even a mystery in the video, given the half dozen BA icons, and the ribbed red armor.

Yeah, the Lord of Death moniker is used for Mephiston, he even has a special rule of that name currently.

The model appears to be based on his old 2nd edition art by Mark Gibbons. Someone on the WHC Facebook made this from stills of the teaser:

While I loathe the super charging of the Loyalists I must give them credit for choosing to make his new mini an exact match of that classic artwork.

"Great, Death Guard get nothing again."
"Oh, something about Mortarion?"
"Nope, it was the other Lord of Death."

Hard times for those who decided to pick the wrong side of DI to start the game.

 Jidmah wrote:
"Great, Death Guard get nothing again."
"Oh, something about Mortarion?"
"Nope, it was the other Lord of Death."

Hard times for those who decided to pick the wrong side of DI to start the game.

I think of all the Chaos Legions, Death Guard have about the least room to complain about releases since 8th edition.

But... how will we know if he's Primaris if we cannot see his Primaris knee-pads?

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
"Great, Death Guard get nothing again."
"Oh, something about Mortarion?"
"Nope, it was the other Lord of Death."

Hard times for those who decided to pick the wrong side of DI to start the game.

I think of all the Chaos Legions, Death Guard have about the least room to complain about releases since 8th edition.

yeah death guard complaining about getting nothing is just silly. only space marines have gotten more then they have this edition most new codices are like 3 new kits, death guard where a dozen

 Jidmah wrote:
"Great, Death Guard get nothing again."
"Oh, something about Mortarion?"
"Nope, it was the other Lord of Death."

Hard times for those who decided to pick the wrong side of DI to start the game.

You'd like a Mortarion alternate?

Except death guard was also left out in the Vigilus campaign and Shadow Spear. Basically anyone who picked up Death Guard got exactly 0 updates for their army during 8th. Every single other non-FW army has gotten more.


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JWBS wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
"Great, Death Guard get nothing again."
"Oh, something about Mortarion?"
"Nope, it was the other Lord of Death."

Hard times for those who decided to pick the wrong side of DI to start the game.

You'd like a Mortarion alternate?

No, I'd just like to have what every else also got - specialist detachments, access to units that clearly fit DG fluff, relics, warlord traits, stratagems.

Apparently getting a Primarch means the same as getting dropped from support unless you're Ultramarines.

 Redemption wrote:
Yeah, the Lord of Death moniker is used for Mephiston, he even has a special rule of that name currently.

The model appears to be based on his old 2nd edition art by Mark Gibbons. Someone on the WHC Facebook made this from stills of the teaser:

Spoiler:

Ok, that's pretty terrific.

 Jidmah wrote:
Except death guard was also left out in the Vigilus campaign and Shadow Spear. Basically anyone who picked up Death Guard got exactly 0 updates for their army during 8th. Every single other non-FW army has gotten more.

1k Sons also got no updates for their army in Vigilus, and their model release was considerably thinner when it happened towards the end of 7th
Necrons? No Vigilus update and only a single model all 8th edition.
Tyranids also got no updates in Vigilus, and NO models in 8th
Grey Knights? Nothing in 8th edition at all save their codex, and the codex is horriable.
Blood Angels: they got NOTHING in Vigilus (and we know are getting something soon it would seem patience is rewarded)
Harliquins: they got nothing and it would seem missed the big eldar release so may not be getting anything.
Tau: Likewise nothing this edition, not even rules in Vigilius.


So... in a word you sir are wrong.

Chaos Sorcerer looks awesome. Classic yet up to date and fresh. No weird design choises like mutated tubings or dynamic jump pose.

 Fayric wrote:
Chaos Sorcerer looks awesome. Classic yet up to date and fresh. No weird design choises like mutated tubings or dynamic jump pose.

agreed, I don't NEED a sorc for my black legion forces but I think I'll pick it up anyway!

The 'supplement level rules' are going to be a single page with warlord trait(s), relics and stratagems (I'd guess 2-3 strats).

There won't be any significant changes to any factions here, more of a Vigilus style detachment for each is likely.

Which is still arguably more than Eldar of each flavour got in their PA.

 Jidmah wrote:
Except death guard was also left out in the Vigilus campaign and Shadow Spear. Basically anyone who picked up Death Guard got exactly 0 updates for their army during 8th. Every single other non-FW army has gotten more.
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Let's see what necrons got in 8th. Mediocre codex and cryptek with flying cloak. Gee. Dg sure have it bad. Only whole bunch of kits. Singje character is sooo much better than that

Oh let's not start this again...

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The 'supplement level rules' are going to be a single page with warlord trait(s), relics and stratagems (I'd guess 2-3 strats).

There won't be any significant changes to any factions here, more of a Vigilus style detachment for each is likely.

Which is still arguably more than Eldar of each flavour got in their PA.

. I imagine they'll use black legion's vigilus rules as a starting point. it was 1 page of relics (6 total) 1 page of strats (8 strats) 1 page of warlord traits (6 total).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But... how will we know if he's Primaris if we cannot see his Primaris knee-pads?

Don't worry, look to the robe just next to the sword hilt: that's clearly a primaris kneepad poking through.

 alextroy wrote:
I'd say 99% chance the Repressor goes Legends. Unless they add it to the Codex, which I doubt seeing we have seen the three current vehicles redone with no sign of a Repressor, there is no current model so no need for current rules.

...yeah, you are probably right. *tosses the FW book with a sigh*

the vehicles are okay, but with no new rules Or models for me to pick up sisters wise for several months at least, if i even still want to hold onto the army (and im not sure i even want to keep them), im on complete standby.

how long until the Tau, and Ork stuff is down the pipeline? any guesses? i wonder what they'll have in store.

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Screw this, let's not derail the thread.

Still I wonder how some people feel it's ok to leave out TS and DG whenever chaos marines get an update, while it's absolutely normal that Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves automatically get everything loyalist marines get. Up to the point where getting 10+ primaris releases count as "nothing" for Blood Angels.

Bdrone wrote:

how long until the Tau, and Ork stuff is down the pipeline? any guesses? i wonder what they'll have in store.

No word on Tau. Orks are apparently next after BA and Tyranids. Orks vs Space Wolves, allegedly new Ragnar for wolves and possibly something for Orks (but I doubt it). We know nothing of their rules.

 Jidmah wrote:
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Screw this, let's not derail the thread.

Still I wonder how some people feel it's ok to leave out TS and DG whenever chaos marines get an update, while it's absolutely normal that Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves automatically get everything loyalist marines get. Up to the point where getting 10+ primaris releases count as "nothing" for Blood Angels.

As long as we dont have new rules for the Primaris it doesnt do too much for us BA players. We have 0 synergi with strats and chapter tactics for them so if you include them you should probably just play as a custom marine chapter painted red. Except the warsuit they dont really help us but the warsuit doesnt even get our chapter tactic since it isnt a dread. Smh

I do have some 30 intercessors, 3 war suits and a few primaris characters waiting for new BA rules to play them with and until then its RG successor for me.

Would you prefer just not being allowed to field any of those?

Super happy about new Mephiston, one of my favourite old models and something I was thinking about doing just last month. My first WD was the one with the new thirster and BA vs Eldar battle report, I have loved BAs ever sinceand Mephiston is the best of them. His art pieces and even his old mini, all still superb (just tiny for todays scale). But I hate painting red, so I never managed more than a few models


If they've replaced his sword hilt with a less Chaos-y one and the small devil heads librarians have with skulls I'll still have something to convert myself.

PS: After the flub of CSM 2.0, sure, I'll take anything. Death Guard, too.

 Jidmah wrote:
Would you prefer just not being allowed to field any of those?

I would gladly take good rules over those models being available. Already have quite a large rostee to choose from so they arent needed. If no intercessor rules I would just use them as tactical marines since I like the look of the standard intercessor. Would have saved me some money on warsuits and phobos Librarian. Primaris Chaplain would still have been bought and converted anyway.