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 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Some nice stuff here. It'll be great if CSM get a proper update.

That Iron Warriors warlord trait is a first for Chaos. No other source of re-roll 1's to wound against everything for them, which is annoying as it ruins their shooting potential.

It's a shame that Apostle of the Dark Council and Combat Elixirs are once per battle. They could have been multiple uses just fine. Combat Elixirs should have only been 1CP as well. I suppose its best used on 20 possessed or something. But its still an expensive melee buff, and melee units aren't exactly great.

I find it funny gw didn't have the guts to call it "combat drugs ". Chainsaw swords and bullets that explode inside people are ok but drugs are bad.

the CSM preview does seem pretty nice. That Alpha Legion strat could really bite some players in the backside! Looks like Night Lords got a nice CC locking strat.

I wonder how the Powerfist relic would work against relics that limit wound rolls to 4+. Might be an FAQ worthy item in the future.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Some nice stuff here. It'll be great if CSM get a proper update.

That Iron Warriors warlord trait is a first for Chaos. No other source of re-roll 1's to wound against everything for them, which is annoying as it ruins their shooting potential.

It's a shame that Apostle of the Dark Council and Combat Elixirs are once per battle. They could have been multiple uses just fine. Combat Elixirs should have only been 1CP as well. I suppose its best used on 20 possessed or something. But its still an expensive melee buff, and melee units aren't exactly great.

The IW is not too different from the Armour bane trait in Vigilus, but has more utility. Not bad actually since my IW typically run fluffy units of havocs and Vindicators.

Emperors Children:

Their stratagem is okay. The real problem is the first three benefits aren't worth 2CP and will never get used. However, gaining +1 toughness could be useful on a Daemon Prince, Terminators or Possessed since Daemons Engines including the Lord Discordant can't take it.

The Raiment of Revulsion is excellent: re-rolling to hit, wound and charge! Taken it on a Daemon Prince or Smash Lord.

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Some nice stuff here. It'll be great if CSM get a proper update.

That Iron Warriors warlord trait is a first for Chaos. No other source of re-roll 1's to wound against everything for them, which is annoying as it ruins their shooting potential.

It's a shame that Apostle of the Dark Council and Combat Elixirs are once per battle. They could have been multiple uses just fine. Combat Elixirs should have only been 1CP as well. I suppose its best used on 20 possessed or something. But its still an expensive melee buff, and melee units aren't exactly great.

I find it funny gw didn't have the guts to call it "combat drugs ". Chainsaw swords and bullets that explode inside people are ok but drugs are bad.

Or maybe they don't want it confused with the Dark Eldar who already have a mechanic that revolves around 'Combat Drugs'.
Please engage brain.

 dan2026 wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Some nice stuff here. It'll be great if CSM get a proper update.

That Iron Warriors warlord trait is a first for Chaos. No other source of re-roll 1's to wound against everything for them, which is annoying as it ruins their shooting potential.

It's a shame that Apostle of the Dark Council and Combat Elixirs are once per battle. They could have been multiple uses just fine. Combat Elixirs should have only been 1CP as well. I suppose its best used on 20 possessed or something. But its still an expensive melee buff, and melee units aren't exactly great.

I find it funny gw didn't have the guts to call it "combat drugs ". Chainsaw swords and bullets that explode inside people are ok but drugs are bad.

Or maybe they don't want it confused with the Dark Eldar who already have a mechanic that revolves around 'Combat Drugs'.
Please engage brain.

Probably, but for the really good "stuff" Fabulous Bill copied some Dark Eldar recipes anyway. So....

 Sersi wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Some nice stuff here. It'll be great if CSM get a proper update.

That Iron Warriors warlord trait is a first for Chaos. No other source of re-roll 1's to wound against everything for them, which is annoying as it ruins their shooting potential.

It's a shame that Apostle of the Dark Council and Combat Elixirs are once per battle. They could have been multiple uses just fine. Combat Elixirs should have only been 1CP as well. I suppose its best used on 20 possessed or something. But its still an expensive melee buff, and melee units aren't exactly great.

I find it funny gw didn't have the guts to call it "combat drugs ". Chainsaw swords and bullets that explode inside people are ok but drugs are bad.

Or maybe they don't want it confused with the Dark Eldar who already have a mechanic that revolves around 'Combat Drugs'.
Please engage brain.

Probably, but for the really good "stuff" Fabulous Bill copied some Dark Eldar recipes anyway. So....

Fabulous Bill wouldn't share his best stuff with the Emperors Children.
Or any stuff probably. I don't think they see eye to eye.

Personally, I'm interested in finding out about the Unaligned Daemon weapon. Maybe I can take it on my Fallen Sorcerer, assuming that it replaces a power sword.
Worst comes to worst I just keep using the Caliban Steel Blade as the relic.

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 dan2026 wrote:

 Sersi wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Some nice stuff here. It'll be great if CSM get a proper update.

That Iron Warriors warlord trait is a first for Chaos. No other source of re-roll 1's to wound against everything for them, which is annoying as it ruins their shooting potential.

It's a shame that Apostle of the Dark Council and Combat Elixirs are once per battle. They could have been multiple uses just fine. Combat Elixirs should have only been 1CP as well. I suppose its best used on 20 possessed or something. But its still an expensive melee buff, and melee units aren't exactly great.

I find it funny gw didn't have the guts to call it "combat drugs ". Chainsaw swords and bullets that explode inside people are ok but drugs are bad.

Or maybe they don't want it confused with the Dark Eldar who already have a mechanic that revolves around 'Combat Drugs'.
Please engage brain.

Probably, but for the really good "stuff" Fabulous Bill copied some Dark Eldar recipes anyway. So....

Fabulous Bill wouldn't share his best stuff with the Emperors Children.
Or any stuff probably. I don't think they see eye to eye.

They had combat drugs in older editions. Please disengage brain. All the transmission gears are stripped.

At first I was like “How is it possible that the EC Raiment is SO MUCH better and more powerful than the WE Disciple of Khorne?” And then I realized one is a warlord trait and the other is a relic, which is likely the explanation ^^.

The best ability previewed by far in my opinion is the Night Lord stratagem. Automatic ability to stop enemy unit escaping combat? Game changer.

Those Alpha Legion items?

So disappointing...

Oh well, maybe...next edition?

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The best ability previewed by far in my opinion is the Night Lord stratagem. Automatic ability to stop enemy unit escaping combat? Game changer.

one issue, It's stuck on night lords.




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 Alpharius wrote:
Those Alpha Legion items?

So disappointing...

Oh well, maybe...next edition?

He, your Cultists now officially are better shots if arround a HQ then your CSM mainline.


.....

The increase to firepower for alpha legon cultists is basically insignificant. Which is too bad.

I really want to try that new emperor's children strat on something not sure what though, probably some terminators or maybe even Possessed.

Well I don't play CSM (Filthy traitors. Praise Dorn!), but I do hope Chaos get a bit more. Stratagems look cool. I really like the Alpha legion sabotage one and the night lord one could be game winning or at the very least very solid. For the love of all this unholy give the friggin traitor legions their tactics on all the units just like marines (aside from cultists), buff normal marines by reducing points and give the Word Bearers an actual legion tactic.

the poreview looks good, word bearers still need a new trait, but that warlord trait has some potential, especially if CSMs are given a strat that let's them double up on WL traits ala Marines

 dan2026 wrote:

 Sersi wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Some nice stuff here. It'll be great if CSM get a proper update.

That Iron Warriors warlord trait is a first for Chaos. No other source of re-roll 1's to wound against everything for them, which is annoying as it ruins their shooting potential.

It's a shame that Apostle of the Dark Council and Combat Elixirs are once per battle. They could have been multiple uses just fine. Combat Elixirs should have only been 1CP as well. I suppose its best used on 20 possessed or something. But its still an expensive melee buff, and melee units aren't exactly great.

I find it funny gw didn't have the guts to call it "combat drugs ". Chainsaw swords and bullets that explode inside people are ok but drugs are bad.

Or maybe they don't want it confused with the Dark Eldar who already have a mechanic that revolves around 'Combat Drugs'.
Please engage brain.

Probably, but for the really good "stuff" Fabulous Bill copied some Dark Eldar recipes anyway. So....

Fabulous Bill wouldn't share his best stuff with the Emperors Children.
Or any stuff probably. I don't think they see eye to eye.

Except that he did. The Clone Lord himself gave Lucius is "experimental" Combat drug rack. The Legion Apothecary's that brew up the combat drugs were also trained by him.


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
At first I was like “How is it possible that the EC Raiment is SO MUCH better and more powerful than the WE Disciple of Khorne?” And then I realized one is a warlord trait and the other is a relic, which is likely the explanation ^^.

Works out for EC though since our current EC relic Blissgiver is it trash. So take this on one Daemon Prince and Intoxicating Elixir on another.


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 Rydria wrote:
I really want to try that new emperor's children strat on something not sure what though, probably some terminators or maybe even Possessed.

I think either terminators or chaos bikers are the best targets. But only the +1T bonus is worth 2CP.

 Sersi wrote:

 Rydria wrote:
I really want to try that new emperor's children strat on something not sure what though, probably some terminators or maybe even Possessed.

I think either terminators or chaos bikers are the best targets. But only the +1T bonus is worth 2CP.

The toughness is definitely the best thing it offers, if the cult troop +1 wound rumours are true it could also be worthwhile on a large unit of noise marines.

Personally I think anything with at least 2 wounds makes it generally worthwhile, going from toughness 4-5 on a multi wound unit is a huge buff vs small arms fire.

Hot damn it's salty on the 40k facebook page.

CSM players are not reacting well. Not at all.

Wait, you can just straight up take Gorefather??? WTF?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wait, you can just straight up take Gorefather??? WTF?

It was a relic in 7th edition too

You learn something every day.

 Rydria wrote:

 Sersi wrote:

 Rydria wrote:
I really want to try that new emperor's children strat on something not sure what though, probably some terminators or maybe even Possessed.

I think either terminators or chaos bikers are the best targets. But only the +1T bonus is worth 2CP.

The toughness is definitely the best thing it offers, if the cult troop +1 wound rumours are true it could also be worthwhile on a large unit of noise marines.

Personally I think anything with at least 2 wounds makes it generally worthwhile, going from toughness 4-5 on a multi wound unit is a huge buff vs small arms fire.

True, any model with two wounds has a lot going for it. I still would rather it on a Terminator or Bike unit, though to maximize it value. but I also don't believe for one second that we'll be getting updated datasheets for Berserkers and Noise Marines in CA. The only way that would happen would be if kits were coming out as well. But we both know that's not happening anytime soon, 2021 maybe.


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 Rydria wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wait, you can just straight up take Gorefather??? WTF?

It was a relic in 7th edition too

It didn't make sense then either. But hey there are scrub Chaos Lords running around with fragments of the blade that fell Horace, so...

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Hot damn it's salty on the 40k facebook page.

CSM players are not reacting well. Not at all.

GW could announce a free solid gold space marine for every player and someone would post on Facebook to complain they're not Orks

 Sersi wrote:

 Rydria wrote:
ytime soon, 2021 maybe.


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 Rydria wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wait, you can just straight up take Gorefather??? WTF?

It was a relic in 7th edition too

It didn't make sense then either. But hey there are scrub Chaos Lords running around with fragments of the blade that fell Horace, so...

Horace, Horus' lesser known diminutive brother with an upper class English accent
"Oh no Horus, I simply couldn't, i've been boating on the Thames all day and im meeting with Reginald the Blood later for croquet and scones..."

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wait, you can just straight up take Gorefather??? WTF?

rtememebr angron broke the weapons, and then was all like "meh whatever don't care" then Kharn took em and repaired em. making use of one

 xttz wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Hot damn it's salty on the 40k facebook page.

CSM players are not reacting well. Not at all.

GW could announce a free solid gold space marine for every player and someone would post on Facebook to complain they're not Orks

You misspelled Chaos...and it would be a whole thread's worth of posts on dakka.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Hot damn it's salty on the 40k facebook page.

CSM players are not reacting well. Not at all.

those CSM players proably set their expectations too high then. what's been previewed pretty much exactly what I expected.

Personally I think anything with at least 2 wounds makes it generally worthwhile, going from toughness 4-5 on a multi wound unit is a huge buff vs small arms fire.

Pete, is that you?