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I expect 9th edition is going to just be a clean up edition. 8th was a big change from 3-7th and thus GW'll be needing to apply the lessons learned

 bullyboy wrote:
I still find Deathwatch to be a great army overall. It has good units, and Shock Assault made terminators and vanvets better if you ever chose to take them. The Corvus still needs work damnit, I have 2 and wish they were better (I still play them, but they are overpriced for their utility).
Adding Vanguard would be great, but will need a new entry to have a mixed vanguard unit. maybe in their PA update sometime next year.

I agree with all you'd like to see with DW. That would all make me happy, I love my 2 Corvus, but they are over expensive meh at the moment and we really would make good use out of vanguard units.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Selfcontrol wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Any news re Nids at all? We need the French guys to start talking again.

Great news, there are 2 french guys now. The new guy confirmed a lot of what the first french guy said and added more details to PA2 several weeks before pre-order. BTW, he was right about everything.

I'm going to paraphrase him and also, I'm not going to tell his name because of what happened to the first french guy (he doesn't talk much anymore unfortunately).

1) Neither the first guy nor the second said anything about Tyranids. Sorry :(

2) The second guy confirmed that BA will get Combat Doctrines and what they get will make BA "closer to -regular- SMs" and their bonus will trigger in Assault Doctrine.

3) He also said that "a lot of what is discussed right now about Chapter Approved 2019 is wrong".

And now the big bomb.

Spoiler:

PA will be over in June. V9 will come soon after PA is over.

I think I know who the second guy is. You're right in that Kikass has gone quiet.

Why don't you Francophones share the information? It's like blood out of a stone.

IIRC I think one of the leakers said something about the sleeping beast that is GW legal starting to twitch its eyelids open and sniffing around its horritying snout, so he decided to lie low for some time.

I don't know anything about that. I know that Valrak kept mentioning him by name and it freaked him out/annoyed him so he's either taking a break from leaking or he's passing his leaks to another to share on his behalf.

I imagine he's a little worried that the mere mention of his name would have GW legal sniffing about, but to be frank "some guy posted this at the french site" is eneugh to work with. I mean.. maybe it's just my Canadian showing but I tend to assume any large multinational corp is going to have some bilingual employees they could use to track this down. He made a post on a forum. and useally names on forums are linked to email addresses. assuming he's not using a "burner" email address, tracking him down'd be managable.

Am I wrong, or is it a good thing that Guardsmen are going to 5ppm (potentially if these rumours are true) isn’t it a plague currently with them being so damn cheap?

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Am I wrong, or is it a good thing that Guardsmen are going to 5ppm (potentially if these rumours are true) isn’t it a plague currently with them being so damn cheap?

Wont solve the issue, the glorious 32 will just be replaced for cp reasons with the rusty 17?

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Am I wrong, or is it a good thing that Guardsmen are going to 5ppm (potentially if these rumours are true) isn’t it a plague currently with them being so damn cheap?

Wont solve the issue, the glorious 32 will just be replaced for cp reasons with the rusty 17?

Isn't the same rumour that they will loose their access to Canticles if not full Ad Mech army?

I could easily see them just tacking on the anti soup part of the marine book onto everyone without the insane power increase.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Am I wrong, or is it a good thing that Guardsmen are going to 5ppm (potentially if these rumours are true) isn’t it a plague currently with them being so damn cheap?

Wont solve the issue, the glorious 32 will just be replaced for cp reasons with the rusty 17?

Isn't the same rumour that they will loose their access to Canticles if not full Ad Mech army?

I don't know, i just don't believe that hiking the price on guardsmen is something that effectively fights issues with soup which are their own making.

BrianDavion wrote:
I expect 9th edition is going to just be a clean up edition. 8th was a big change from 3-7th and thus GW'll be needing to apply the lessons learned

Sadly I reckon you are right. 9th could be a great chance to implement some (if not all) of the rules from Apocalypse in to regular 40K.

Instead what we'll see is essentially what 4th-7th editions were. A tidy up of the core game mechanics with a few tweaks here and there. Given that 8th will be 3 years old in June 2020 it does seem plausible that GW will start the cycle of getting everyone to buy new Codexes/rulebooks again.

 stonehorse wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I expect 9th edition is going to just be a clean up edition. 8th was a big change from 3-7th and thus GW'll be needing to apply the lessons learned

Sadly I reckon you are right. 9th could be a great chance to implement some (if not all) of the rules from Apocalypse in to regular 40K.

Instead what we'll see is essentially what 4th-7th editions were. A tidy up of the core game mechanics with a few tweaks here and there. Given that 8th will be 3 years old in June 2020 it does seem plausible that GW will start the cycle of getting everyone to buy new Codexes/rulebooks again.

I think we’re more likely to see a further AoSifacation of 40k sad to say rather than any actual improvements to the game.

Interesting on the new Edition rumour.. I remember reading when 8th came out they wanted to establish Chaos as the "Big Bad". They have clearly done that and have got the new Primaris established to, kind of like how they started with AoS [stormcast and chaos dominated releases ]. Hopefully that having been done along with new production facilities, we might start seeing great variety of releases again.

SeanDrake wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I expect 9th edition is going to just be a clean up edition. 8th was a big change from 3-7th and thus GW'll be needing to apply the lessons learned

Sadly I reckon you are right. 9th could be a great chance to implement some (if not all) of the rules from Apocalypse in to regular 40K.

Instead what we'll see is essentially what 4th-7th editions were. A tidy up of the core game mechanics with a few tweaks here and there. Given that 8th will be 3 years old in June 2020 it does seem plausible that GW will start the cycle of getting everyone to buy new Codexes/rulebooks again.

I think we’re more likely to see a further AoSifacation of 40k sad to say rather than any actual improvements to the game.

Considering 8th ed started life as AOS 1.0, but then they made it worse, they really can't do much to make it more like AOS without improving the game again

To answer An Actuel Englishman :

I think the french community is not being malicious. To be honest, we are not used to have reliable rumour mongers from our own nationality (it might even be a first). We are more used to getting leaks from the anglosphere since the Warseer era.

While Warhammer gained a lot of popularity during the past few years in France, our community is still very small and all "leaks" were published in the form of short posts on a forum. Also, you have to keep in mind that many french people are not good at all in English (it's not really the case for younger generations though) and the aforementioned forum is mainly visited by "french veterans" of Warhammer. Each time we get a leak in English, many people are asking for a translation, for example.

Also, several employees of GW were members of the forum before GW hired them (one example : the designer of the Death Guard minis and Mortation is french and he used to make incredible Nurgle conversions and post pictures on the forum ) and they are still present (although don't post much anymore for obvious reasons), thus why people are even more careful.

That's my analysis of the situation.

PS : the second guy said that C:SM is a "9th edition" Codex. Someone asked him if SoB were a 9th edition too and he said something like "If it has something akin to Combat Doctrines, then yes". That's it.

By Combat Doctrines, I think he meant "An advantage that you lose if you use soup" (= Sacred Rites for SoB).

I don't think the main issues with 8E have anything to do with Core Rules, but rather with the implementation of rules upon rules upon more rules, like Supplements and PA

A hypothetical 9E could easily be used to tidy up how those rules are applied while still adhering to the Core Mechinics of 8E.

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 Galef wrote:
I don't think the main issues with 8E have anything to do with Core Rules, but rather with the implementation of rules upon rules upon more rules, like Supplements and PA

A hypothetical 9E could easily be used to tidy up how those rules are applied while still adhering to the Core Mechinics of 8E.

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Indexs volume 2 for the win

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Galef wrote:
I don't think the main issues with 8E have anything to do with Core Rules, but rather with the implementation of rules upon rules upon more rules, like Supplements and PA

A hypothetical 9E could easily be used to tidy up how those rules are applied while still adhering to the Core Mechinics of 8E.

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Indexs volume 2 for the win

Well, lets hope not. As much as I like the Indexes, they were a bit lacking in content and invalidated far too quickly. I was more referring to 9E keeping all the existing Codices/Supplements but being more restrictive in how you build an army and generate CPs.

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 Galef wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Galef wrote:
I don't think the main issues with 8E have anything to do with Core Rules, but rather with the implementation of rules upon rules upon more rules, like Supplements and PA

A hypothetical 9E could easily be used to tidy up how those rules are applied while still adhering to the Core Mechinics of 8E.

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Indexs volume 2 for the win

Well, lets hope not. As much as I like the Indexes, they were a bit lacking in content and invalidated far too quickly. I was more referring to 9E keeping all the existing Codices/Supplements but being more restrictive in how you build an army and generate CPs.

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Having just got (well only ordered) the Sisters dex it would be too soon. I agree a re-working of bits and pieces would be good.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Am I wrong, or is it a good thing that Guardsmen are going to 5ppm (potentially if these rumours are true) isn’t it a plague currently with them being so damn cheap?

Wont solve the issue, the glorious 32 will just be replaced for cp reasons with the rusty 17?

Faithful 17 wouldn't be much more either (225 vs. 210). Make them Valorous Heart and they'll have much better survivability while hiding in cover to hold an objective. MIght even get a few bonus Deny's off of them too.

 Asmodai wrote:

Faithful 17 wouldn't be much more either (225 vs. 210). Make them Valorous Heart and they'll have much better survivability while hiding in cover to hold an objective. MIght even get a few bonus Deny's off of them too.

Faithful 18. You're gonna want that Imagifier for telling AP2 to sod off.

 Galef wrote:
I don't think the main issues with 8E have anything to do with Core Rules, but rather with the implementation of rules upon rules upon more rules, like Supplements and PA

A hypothetical 9E could easily be used to tidy up how those rules are applied while still adhering to the Core Mechinics of 8E.

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No, the single biggest source of issues for the 8th edition is how the command points are being generated. If they fix that, a lot of problems will go away or become much easier to fix.

 silverstu wrote:
Hopefully that having been done along with new production facilities, we might start seeing great variety of releases again.

Ohh you sweet sweet summer child...

Lets not kid ourselves this is probably phase 1 of scheduled 28872964363 phases of Sm related releases.

 Crimson wrote:

 Galef wrote:
I don't think the main issues with 8E have anything to do with Core Rules, but rather with the implementation of rules upon rules upon more rules, like Supplements and PA

A hypothetical 9E could easily be used to tidy up how those rules are applied while still adhering to the Core Mechinics of 8E.

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No, the single biggest source of issues for the 8th edition is how the command points are being generated. If they fix that, a lot of problems will go away or become much easier to fix.

Haven't the marine supplements, despite being a raging dumpster fire of salt, proven that lower CP elite armies can still function if they are costed appropriately? Marines could be tuned down gently and still function with lower CP than horde armies.

 Crimson wrote:

 Galef wrote:
I don't think the main issues with 8E have anything to do with Core Rules, but rather with the implementation of rules upon rules upon more rules, like Supplements and PA

A hypothetical 9E could easily be used to tidy up how those rules are applied while still adhering to the Core Mechinics of 8E.

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No, the single biggest source of issues for the 8th edition is how the command points are being generated. If they fix that, a lot of problems will go away or become much easier to fix.

Yeah, I agree with that. I don't include that as the Core mechanics, but I should I guess. Fewer detachments that generate less CPs for mixing Factions would be a good start

Heck even making Stratagems limited per game would help too. Maybe take the Smite approach. Add 1CP to the cost if you use a Strat a second or third time per game? Just brainstorming here

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People aren't too happy with the buckets of dice either. Hopefully they tone that down significantly and don't just go back to crazy town with each codex being worse than the one prior right after release.

That mephiston is good.
Could of been amazing if they didn't cock up the hair.

God I just noticed the blood drop on the sword is upside down

Has the lore for the second book dropped? I know some people have early copies and some rules are out already.

GaroRobe wrote:
Has the lore for the second book dropped? I know some people have early copies and some rules are out already.

Where? The only rules we've seen so far are from the unit datacards.

 Galef wrote:

Yeah, I agree with that. I don't include that as the Core mechanics, but I should I guess. Fewer detachments that generate less CPs for mixing Factions would be a good start

Heck even making Stratagems limited per game would help too. Maybe take the Smite approach. Add 1CP to the cost if you use a Strat a second or third time per game? Just brainstorming here

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I'm with you, the changes to stat lines, damage, AP, characters, etc. all seem to have worked out pretty well. There are two things I would change on the rules front, the to wound equation, and rerolls. Because of the nature of doubles and such it creates a lumpy distribution of ideal values that really hurts the variety of weapons. For instance whats the biggest difference between str 5 and str 7, wounding guardsmen on 2s, but str 7 weapons are more expensive. If they went back to the old system, but gave everyone gauss (6s always wound), I think we would see alot more variety in weapons. 8th ed is about 50% slower than 7th ed, and alot of that is due to the amount of rerolls available. Since doing the sane thing and reducing the points we play at is off of the menu, I feel like GW should take a hard look at rerolls as an area to streamline the game.

The worst part about 8th is there is this whole cluster of suck around CP, stratagems, detachments and soup.

If I ran the zoo,
- Codexes would still have 30+ stratagems but you would not have access to them all in a given battle.
- Instead, Before the first round, You would pick a number stratagems based on what detachments you brought, Most detachments generate 1, battalions 2, and brigades 3. Selected stratagems would have to be taken from a codex that matches all keywords of the detachment.
- CP would be generated by your commanders, per round. This would replace all of the reroll auras that are slowing down the game. Lts/chaplains/librarians would generate 1 per, captains would generate 2, chapter masters would generate 2 and give you an extra stratagem. CP could only be spent on stratagems from codexes that share all of the keywords with the unit who generated the CP, or generic stratagems like rerolls.
- There would be a cap on how many CP you can generate, which would be based on your detachments, probably twice the number of stratagems the detachment generates.

The combined effect would be to streamline the game, make soup less of a no-brainer, add a side board mechanic. It's also a fluffly change since your commander isn't telling your plebs how to shoot, and is instead formulating cunning strategies.

Voss wrote:


Though I suspect it will be a quick tidy-up edition like AoS2.0.

I was under the assumption that since 8th, we would be moving forward with an almost Living Rulebook style format.
(New editions just getting rulebook up to scratch and updated, with CA’s still coming yearly, and new Codex and campaign books still.)

So in a sense every update would be like 6th to 7th, or AoS 1 to 2, from now on..