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one could argue we've had more boxed sets for PA books then we've had books without, if one counts the SoB box as a tie in biox for F&F

BrianDavion wrote:
one could argue we've had more boxed sets for PA books then we've had books without, if one counts the SoB box as a tie in biox for F&F

One doesn't.

BrianDavion wrote:
one could argue we've had more boxed sets for PA books then we've had books without, if one counts the SoB box as a tie in biox for F&F

Why would you count it as that? Psychic Awakening hasn't had rules for SoB yet.

F&F got the new Sorcerer model as the model release. BoB got Meph. That's 2 releases with a single character, and 1 with a box set that had 2 characters and two units. The norm so far is 1 character baseline.

 Carnikang wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
one could argue we've had more boxed sets for PA books then we've had books without, if one counts the SoB box as a tie in biox for F&F

Why would you count it as that? Psychic Awakening hasn't had rules for SoB yet.

F&F got the new Sorcerer model as the model release. BoB got Meph. That's 2 releases with a single character, and 1 with a box set that had 2 characters and two units. The norm so far is 1 character baseline.

No the minimum is 1 character baseline, 3 books isn't enough for there to be a normal.

Likewise I hope there arent PA rules for sisters, I'd be offended to have to buy a codex then an expansion 5 minutes later

 HorticulusDK wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Really kinda expecting The Lion. And maybe Primaris Grey Knights.

The next 3 PA books will only have one (1) new Characters released with them, as per this already discussed article :

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/30/reveals-from-the-warhammer-40000-open-daygw-homepage-post-1/

"Each book will be accompanied by an epic champion to lead the charge in this terrible age. These legendary heroes will include reborn, reimagined and brand-new characters, but we can’t reveal any more details at the moment."

:(

Note that it doesn't say "only" the character, so drawing a conclusion that there is just a single champion per book as the only models released is not accurate. There could certainly be a boxset with the new champion and pre-exisitng models to make up the rest. Very possible.

 Carnikang wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
one could argue we've had more boxed sets for PA books then we've had books without, if one counts the SoB box as a tie in biox for F&F

Why would you count it as that? Psychic Awakening hasn't had rules for SoB yet.

F&F got the new Sorcerer model as the model release. BoB got Meph. That's 2 releases with a single character, and 1 with a box set that had 2 characters and two units. The norm so far is 1 character baseline.

sisters where prominant in the story however, it's clear GW was enaging in connected marketing. I'm not saying it was intended as a F&F boxset but GW may well have seen it as essentially that. (they occasionally have some odd views) F&F was deliberately put into a 2 week pre-order cycle along with the sisters box. so clearly GW saw it as "part of the same release".

GW occasionally has some odd logic

I agree it is too early to call a trend, but I think it is reasonable to set expectations at one character per book. Like many I still remember the days when the current release pace was unimaginable, so it doesn't seem all that bad overall.

That is distinct from the quality of said releases, however.

 xeen wrote:
So today’s Warhammer Community article is “we have a good article that has the information you want three days from now”. Yea we know that already. Between the year in review and this we got a hole load of junk the past couple of days. I want GW to hurry up and just break my TS heart already.

Its the holidays. Heck, as Decembers go, this has had more than usual. Usually things dry up the first week after the big box announcement, which is just a formality.

Dudeface wrote:Phoenix rising came with 2 characters and 2 units?

And yet somehow that isn't _evidence_ that yet another PA book will have more than a character, especially after multiple books with just a character and an article saying that for further books, there will be _a_ character.
Everything so far points to a model.

 Carnikang wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
one could argue we've had more boxed sets for PA books then we've had books without, if one counts the SoB box as a tie in biox for F&F

Why would you count it as that? Psychic Awakening hasn't had rules for SoB yet.

F&F got the new Sorcerer model as the model release. BoB got Meph. That's 2 releases with a single character, and 1 with a box set that had 2 characters and two units. The norm so far is 1 character baseline.

The Sisters of Battle army box actually has "Faith & Fury" printed on it in light grey font, behind the more prominent black letters "Adepta Sororitas Sisters of Battle Army Set". So there is in fact a clear link between the second Psychic Awakening release and the SoB army box. I expect this to be the only thing we see of the sisters in PA, also considering their symbol was the main symbol shown for the Faith and Fury PA.

I think Sororitas in plastic kinda would take top billing in any release cycle.

Us3Less wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
one could argue we've had more boxed sets for PA books then we've had books without, if one counts the SoB box as a tie in biox for F&F

Why would you count it as that? Psychic Awakening hasn't had rules for SoB yet.

F&F got the new Sorcerer model as the model release. BoB got Meph. That's 2 releases with a single character, and 1 with a box set that had 2 characters and two units. The norm so far is 1 character baseline.

The Sisters of Battle army box actually has "Faith & Fury" printed on it in light grey font, behind the more prominent black letters "Adepta Sororitas Sisters of Battle Army Set". So there is in fact a clear link between the second Psychic Awakening release and the SoB army box. I expect this to be the only thing we see of the sisters in PA, also considering their symbol was the main symbol shown for the Faith and Fury PA.

I didn't catch that but you're right it's absurdly faint but it's there. and yeah IMHO SoBs won't get anything new, although I could happily create a laundry list of things I';d like to see in a supplement

Voss wrote:

 xeen wrote:
So today’s Warhammer Community article is “we have a good article that has the information you want three days from now”. Yea we know that already. Between the year in review and this we got a hole load of junk the past couple of days. I want GW to hurry up and just break my TS heart already.

Its the holidays. Heck, as Decembers go, this has had more than usual. Usually things dry up the first week after the big box announcement, which is just a formality.

Dudeface wrote:Phoenix rising came with 2 characters and 2 units?

And yet somehow that isn't _evidence_ that yet another PA book will have more than a character, especially after multiple books with just a character and an article saying that for further books, there will be _a_ character.
Everything so far points to a model.

Well no, but likewise the same article doesn't say there will only be _a_ character model. So there is no evidence of anything other than a minimum you can expect.

If we use some logic, however foreign it is to GW practice, we can assume we'll mostly get light releases with these books. As they seem to be doing a lot of restructuring and these releases as being a stop gap it makes sense it would see light releases that didn't have a window on their own to link in a larger way so they released them with these.

I wouldn't say it's a sure thing but it makes sense when you break it all down. The sisters releases being the big thing kind of in the mix.

Just my thoughts though.

BrianDavion wrote:

Us3Less wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
one could argue we've had more boxed sets for PA books then we've had books without, if one counts the SoB box as a tie in biox for F&F

Why would you count it as that? Psychic Awakening hasn't had rules for SoB yet.

F&F got the new Sorcerer model as the model release. BoB got Meph. That's 2 releases with a single character, and 1 with a box set that had 2 characters and two units. The norm so far is 1 character baseline.

The Sisters of Battle army box actually has "Faith & Fury" printed on it in light grey font, behind the more prominent black letters "Adepta Sororitas Sisters of Battle Army Set". So there is in fact a clear link between the second Psychic Awakening release and the SoB army box. I expect this to be the only thing we see of the sisters in PA, also considering their symbol was the main symbol shown for the Faith and Fury PA.

I didn't catch that but you're right it's absurdly faint but it's there. and yeah IMHO SoBs won't get anything new, although I could happily create a laundry list of things I';d like to see in a supplement

Its actually quite sad how faint it is - what was the point if no ne sees it and they don't publicise it as part of the thing? Damn GW are wierd sometimes.

 Mr Morden wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Us3Less wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
one could argue we've had more boxed sets for PA books then we've had books without, if one counts the SoB box as a tie in biox for F&F

Why would you count it as that? Psychic Awakening hasn't had rules for SoB yet.

F&F got the new Sorcerer model as the model release. BoB got Meph. That's 2 releases with a single character, and 1 with a box set that had 2 characters and two units. The norm so far is 1 character baseline.

The Sisters of Battle army box actually has "Faith & Fury" printed on it in light grey font, behind the more prominent black letters "Adepta Sororitas Sisters of Battle Army Set". So there is in fact a clear link between the second Psychic Awakening release and the SoB army box. I expect this to be the only thing we see of the sisters in PA, also considering their symbol was the main symbol shown for the Faith and Fury PA.

I didn't catch that but you're right it's absurdly faint but it's there. and yeah IMHO SoBs won't get anything new, although I could happily create a laundry list of things I';d like to see in a supplement

Its actually quite sad how faint it is - what was the point if no ne sees it and they don't publicise it as part of the thing? Damn GW are wierd sometimes.

except I understood it was connected to the F&F launch, otherwise why would GW have done the whole "2 week pre-order" thing for the book?

BrianDavion wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
one could argue we've had more boxed sets for PA books then we've had books without, if one counts the SoB box as a tie in biox for F&F

Why would you count it as that? Psychic Awakening hasn't had rules for SoB yet.

F&F got the new Sorcerer model as the model release. BoB got Meph. That's 2 releases with a single character, and 1 with a box set that had 2 characters and two units. The norm so far is 1 character baseline.

sisters where prominant in the story however, it's clear GW was enaging in connected marketing. I'm not saying it was intended as a F&F boxset but GW may well have seen it as essentially that. (they occasionally have some odd views) F&F was deliberately put into a 2 week pre-order cycle along with the sisters box. so clearly GW saw it as "part of the same release".

GW occasionally has some odd logic

A couple of the narrative missions in the book had rules for Sisters too, so they were involved with PA2.

Of course if GW if had put any useful Sisters rules in that book but separate from their codex release, folks would have screeched about 'DLC content' instead.

 Mr Morden wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Us3Less wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
one could argue we've had more boxed sets for PA books then we've had books without, if one counts the SoB box as a tie in biox for F&F

Why would you count it as that? Psychic Awakening hasn't had rules for SoB yet.

F&F got the new Sorcerer model as the model release. BoB got Meph. That's 2 releases with a single character, and 1 with a box set that had 2 characters and two units. The norm so far is 1 character baseline.

The Sisters of Battle army box actually has "Faith & Fury" printed on it in light grey font, behind the more prominent black letters "Adepta Sororitas Sisters of Battle Army Set". So there is in fact a clear link between the second Psychic Awakening release and the SoB army box. I expect this to be the only thing we see of the sisters in PA, also considering their symbol was the main symbol shown for the Faith and Fury PA.

I didn't catch that but you're right it's absurdly faint but it's there. and yeah IMHO SoBs won't get anything new, although I could happily create a laundry list of things I';d like to see in a supplement

Its actually quite sad how faint it is - what was the point if no ne sees it and they don't publicise it as part of the thing? Damn GW are wierd sometimes.

Might have been something that was played up a little more if there was still stock left, but once everything sold out in hour one of the pre-order, not a lot of point in continuing to drum up interest in something you can't get rather than switching to things that you can.

 xttz wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
one could argue we've had more boxed sets for PA books then we've had books without, if one counts the SoB box as a tie in biox for F&F

Why would you count it as that? Psychic Awakening hasn't had rules for SoB yet.

F&F got the new Sorcerer model as the model release. BoB got Meph. That's 2 releases with a single character, and 1 with a box set that had 2 characters and two units. The norm so far is 1 character baseline.

sisters where prominant in the story however, it's clear GW was enaging in connected marketing. I'm not saying it was intended as a F&F boxset but GW may well have seen it as essentially that. (they occasionally have some odd views) F&F was deliberately put into a 2 week pre-order cycle along with the sisters box. so clearly GW saw it as "part of the same release".

GW occasionally has some odd logic

A couple of the narrative missions in the book had rules for Sisters too, so they were involved with PA2.

Of course if GW if had put any useful Sisters rules in that book but separate from their codex release, folks would have screeched about 'DLC content' instead.

When you say rules for Sisters - what exactly was there?

Might have been something that was played up a little more if there was still stock left, but once everything sold out in hour one of the pre-order, not a lot of point in continuing to drum up interest in something you can't get rather than switching to things that you can.

well yes but making the words indistinct was before it sold out - which was a different cock up.

 bullyboy wrote:

 HorticulusDK wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Really kinda expecting The Lion. And maybe Primaris Grey Knights.

The next 3 PA books will only have one (1) new Characters released with them, as per this already discussed article :

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/30/reveals-from-the-warhammer-40000-open-daygw-homepage-post-1/

"Each book will be accompanied by an epic champion to lead the charge in this terrible age. These legendary heroes will include reborn, reimagined and brand-new characters, but we can’t reveal any more details at the moment."

:(

Note that it doesn't say "only" the character, so drawing a conclusion that there is just a single champion per book as the only models released is not accurate. There could certainly be a boxset with the new champion and pre-exisitng models to make up the rest. Very possible.

I like the way you read things, but you're giving me hope for the eventual punch in the balls.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 xttz wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
one could argue we've had more boxed sets for PA books then we've had books without, if one counts the SoB box as a tie in biox for F&F

Why would you count it as that? Psychic Awakening hasn't had rules for SoB yet.

F&F got the new Sorcerer model as the model release. BoB got Meph. That's 2 releases with a single character, and 1 with a box set that had 2 characters and two units. The norm so far is 1 character baseline.

sisters where prominant in the story however, it's clear GW was enaging in connected marketing. I'm not saying it was intended as a F&F boxset but GW may well have seen it as essentially that. (they occasionally have some odd views) F&F was deliberately put into a 2 week pre-order cycle along with the sisters box. so clearly GW saw it as "part of the same release".

GW occasionally has some odd logic

A couple of the narrative missions in the book had rules for Sisters too, so they were involved with PA2.

Of course if GW if had put any useful Sisters rules in that book but separate from their codex release, folks would have screeched about 'DLC content' instead.

When you say rules for Sisters - what exactly was there?.

as he said some rules in the narrative missions. namely one of the narraitve misions has a strat that allows a nearby SOB unit to re-rolls 1s to hit and wound in melee if a unit within 3 inches was destroyed.

it's not much I agree, (really the campaign segment of F&F kinda stinks. you have a grand total of two narrative missions, despite the book covering three theatres)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/23/psychic-awakening-the-piercing-eyes/

The latest story snippet. Its basically a homage to how amazingly awesome and incomparable grey knights are


... in the fluff.

Voss wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/23/psychic-awakening-the-piercing-eyes/

The latest story snippet. Its basically a homage to how amazingly awesome and incomparable grey knights are


... in the fluff.

Well that just more or less confirms what Valarak said, Lazarus (company master of the 5th) is the new fig, and he'll be in the next short story.

https://youtu.be/1hBqc3DMjGg

It's actually some interesting lore, though there must be something missing because the numbers seem off, I got the impression the DA sent a company, and to take on a smallish legion like the thousand sons (of which there are certainly more than a thousand) they should probably have sent a few chapters of marines.

 Grimgold wrote:

Voss wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/23/psychic-awakening-the-piercing-eyes/

The latest story snippet. Its basically a homage to how amazingly awesome and incomparable grey knights are


... in the fluff.

Well that just more or less confirms what Valarak said, Lazarus (company master of the 5th) is the new fig, and he'll be in the next short story.

https://youtu.be/1hBqc3DMjGg

It's actually some interesting lore, though there must be something missing because the numbers seem off, I got the impression the DA sent a company, and to take on a smallish legion like the thousand sons (of which there are certainly more than a thousand) they should probably have sent a few chapters of marines.

if a brotherhood or two of the grey knights are also there that's a pretty potent force.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:

Voss wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/23/psychic-awakening-the-piercing-eyes/

The latest story snippet. Its basically a homage to how amazingly awesome and incomparable grey knights are


... in the fluff.

Well that just more or less confirms what Valarak said, Lazarus (company master of the 5th) is the new fig, and he'll be in the next short story.

https://youtu.be/1hBqc3DMjGg

It's actually some interesting lore, though there must be something missing because the numbers seem off, I got the impression the DA sent a company, and to take on a smallish legion like the thousand sons (of which there are certainly more than a thousand) they should probably have sent a few chapters of marines.

if a brotherhood or two of the grey knights are also there that's a pretty potent force.

Compared to possible a few thousand members of the TS?
Only plot armor would save them against these odds.

So, yaknow, imperial wins by stomp.

 BoomWolf wrote:


if a brotherhood or two of the grey knights are also there that's a pretty potent force.

Compared to possible a few thousand members of the TS?
Only plot armor would save them against these odds.

So, yaknow, imperial wins by stomp.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 xttz wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
one could argue we've had more boxed sets for PA books then we've had books without, if one counts the SoB box as a tie in biox for F&F

Why would you count it as that? Psychic Awakening hasn't had rules for SoB yet.

F&F got the new Sorcerer model as the model release. BoB got Meph. That's 2 releases with a single character, and 1 with a box set that had 2 characters and two units. The norm so far is 1 character baseline.

sisters where prominant in the story however, it's clear GW was enaging in connected marketing. I'm not saying it was intended as a F&F boxset but GW may well have seen it as essentially that. (they occasionally have some odd views) F&F was deliberately put into a 2 week pre-order cycle along with the sisters box. so clearly GW saw it as "part of the same release".

GW occasionally has some odd logic

A couple of the narrative missions in the book had rules for Sisters too, so they were involved with PA2.

Of course if GW if had put any useful Sisters rules in that book but separate from their codex release, folks would have screeched about 'DLC content' instead.

When you say rules for Sisters - what exactly was there?.

as he said some rules in the narrative missions. namely one of the narraitve misions has a strat that allows a nearby SOB unit to re-rolls 1s to hit and wound in melee if a unit within 3 inches was destroyed.

it's not much I agree, (really the campaign segment of F&F kinda stinks. you have a grand total of two narrative missions, despite the book covering three theatres)

Well we did not get a names page in our Codex so I am guessing thats a likely Sisters "Special".

Problem is its not a proper campaign but Supplements for certain factions with some filler - compare PA to Shield of Baal

well in fairness sisters being who they are a names list for sisters would be irrelevant, they recruit from across the entire IoM.

BrianDavion wrote:
well in fairness sisters being who they are a names list for sisters would be irrelevant, they recruit from across the entire IoM.

Well......So do the Black Templars and other crusading/fleet Chapters....did they get one? It just seemed an odd omission and something they could slot into a PA book and say - look guys we gave you this.

Voss wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/23/psychic-awakening-the-piercing-eyes/

The latest story snippet. Its basically a homage to how amazingly awesome and incomparable grey knights are


... in the fluff.

I mean, now they know that they'll have to fight some dudes and either they'll win or lose.

Now I know why Heed the Prognosticars only gives them a 4++ invulnerable save.

*psychic voice*

"BROTHER ALEPPIOS, DODGE RIGHT.

Or um, maybe left. But DODGE FOR SURE!"

New Valrak vid hints that the DA we will get is a guy named Lazarus. Who was recently introduced in the lore. And hates Thousand Sons with a passion.