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Does anything interesting happen in the lore?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/18/pre-order-today-sororitas-sorcery-and-suspicious-space-marines/

They posted the points for Lazarus here (105)

 Mr Morden wrote:
Does anything interesting happen in the lore?

Gonna guess the Imperium narrowly beat the Thousand Sons, but it turns out Magnus was only pretending to be stupid and it was planned all along, though we'll never find out why.

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/18/pre-order-today-sororitas-sorcery-and-suspicious-space-marines/

They posted the points for Lazarus here (105)

35€ a book that's printed with such obvious mistake is absurd really.

Just noticed something that pisses me off in this book.

TS gets a relic that give +1 to casting.
GK gets a relic that gives +1 to casting AND rerolls.

Like, wtf? people getting strictly better versions of what we get IN THE SAME BOOK?!

 BoomWolf wrote:
Just noticed something that pisses me off in this book.

TS gets a relic that give +1 to casting.
GK gets a relic that gives +1 to casting AND rerolls.

Like, wtf? people getting strictly better versions of what we get IN THE SAME BOOK?!

So what? At least it's two different armies. Lol

Orks had a WL-trait for +1 Attack and a different WL-trait for +1 Attack AND +1 Strength

At least with different armies, people can pretend it follows some weird logic, like White Scars getting Space Wolves Outflank, except better. Or Grey Knights getting the GSC 3" deepstrike, but at half the CP cost, etc.. , etc.., etc..

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/18/pre-order-today-sororitas-sorcery-and-suspicious-space-marines/

They posted the points for Lazarus here (105)

Wow. $40 USD for a monopose primaris model with a few head and weapon options. I was planning on getting one for conversions but not at that price. Maybe I'll be able to trade for it in a few years.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Just noticed something that pisses me off in this book.

TS gets a relic that give +1 to casting.
GK gets a relic that gives +1 to casting AND rerolls.

Like, wtf? people getting strictly better versions of what we get IN THE SAME BOOK?!

Welcome to the Imperium friend, look at all these things Chaos and Xenos have or do, pick one and we'll make it better just for you!

Also just i just read that lore wise the Space Marine ofc win, apparently an orbital bombardment by the Grey Knights that was soooooo faaaaast that Magnus couldn't stop it and that kill every TS sorcerer on the planet, what a surprise.
Just as I though from the beginning, TS were only there to make more Space Marine look cool. This NPC gak is getting dull.

 warboss wrote:

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/18/pre-order-today-sororitas-sorcery-and-suspicious-space-marines/

They posted the points for Lazarus here (105)

Wow. $40 USD for a monopose primaris model with a few head and weapon options. I was planning on getting one for conversions but not at that price. Maybe I'll be able to trade for it in a few years.

It is a kit that build two different units : a generic master with bolt carbine and gauntlet and Lazarus. It doesn't justify the price tho.

 warboss wrote:

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/18/pre-order-today-sororitas-sorcery-and-suspicious-space-marines/

They posted the points for Lazarus here (105)

Wow. $40 USD for a monopose primaris model with a few head and weapon options. I was planning on getting one for conversions but not at that price. Maybe I'll be able to trade for it in a few years.

that's been the price of primaris characters since we started getting primaris special characters.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I'm curious to see where Chaos Daemons are going to fit in book-wise, seeing as they won't make too much sense in either of the remaining ones. I was expecting one book to be Daemons vs. GK, but that obviously didn't happen.

Yeah I’d just imagine they’ll be in book 7+ somewhere.

 warboss wrote:

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/18/pre-order-today-sororitas-sorcery-and-suspicious-space-marines/

They posted the points for Lazarus here (105)

Wow. $40 USD for a monopose primaris model with a few head and weapon options. I was planning on getting one for conversions but not at that price. Maybe I'll be able to trade for it in a few years.

It'll probably show up in a DA Start Collecting box sooner or later. That's the main reason I'm not getting one.

 xttz wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/18/pre-order-today-sororitas-sorcery-and-suspicious-space-marines/

They posted the points for Lazarus here (105)

Wow. $40 USD for a monopose primaris model with a few head and weapon options. I was planning on getting one for conversions but not at that price. Maybe I'll be able to trade for it in a few years.

It'll probably show up in a DA Start Collecting box sooner or later. That's the main reason I'm not getting one.

Aren't they more likely to toss in the Dark Angel Lieutenant? Zahariel or whatever generic name he got.

Overall with TS I am happy. What we got is as good or better than CSM legions. Is it meta breaking? Probably not. But it could have been so much worse

 BoomWolf wrote:
Just noticed something that pisses me off in this book.

TS gets a relic that give +1 to casting.
GK gets a relic that gives +1 to casting AND rerolls.

Like, wtf? people getting strictly better versions of what we get IN THE SAME BOOK?!

Thing is that TS now have a few things that key off a 9 to cast. Giving them that relic would have probably been obscene.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Just noticed something that pisses me off in this book.

TS gets a relic that give +1 to casting.
GK gets a relic that gives +1 to casting AND rerolls.

Like, wtf? people getting strictly better versions of what we get IN THE SAME BOOK?!

Thing is that TS now have a few things that key off a 9 to cast. Giving them that relic would have probably been obscene.

Don't they have a Stratagem and Warlord trait that increases casting by +1 as well? Do GK have that?

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Just noticed something that pisses me off in this book.

TS gets a relic that give +1 to casting.
GK gets a relic that gives +1 to casting AND rerolls.

Like, wtf? people getting strictly better versions of what we get IN THE SAME BOOK?!

Thing is that TS now have a few things that key off a 9 to cast. Giving them that relic would have probably been obscene.

Don't they have a Stratagem and Warlord trait that increases casting by +1 as well? Do GK have that?

GK have +1 as an army-wide ability (not the tides, it's their basic) and a relic that both gives +1 and gives rerolls.
Don't know about a warlord trait, but its hardly needed at this point.

 BoomWolf wrote:


GK have +1 as an army-wide ability (not the tides, it's their basic) and a relic that both gives +1 and gives rerolls.
Don't know about a warlord trait, but its hardly needed at this point.

GK can get to +3 with two relics (once per turn), but that's a lot of points. (+4 with that stratagem)

Also, I think a reroll and a +1 is a little redundant. More than likely it will just increase the difficulty of getting something dispelled rather than reducing their success at casting.

It should be noted that all the old GK WL traits were not useful to casting at all. The same for their relics. So much like TS missing aid for Rubrics and SoT the GK got aid for their casting.

I'm also not seeing new traits for GK?

Wow, cult of magic is bonkers with the current supreme command detachment. Cult of Magic DP with the new trait can have Warptime, Infernal Gateway and the new power and can fly up to a unit and unload 2+2D3 mortal wounds to the closes unit and 3+D3 mortal wounds to all units within 3" of them.

I will definitely be running cult of magic supreme command+something else with my battalion, but there are several good options for that something else. I habe a feeling vs shooty opponents I'll go Cult of Time, psycher heavy Duplicity for the Crest and melee heavy Mutation for twist reality.

All in all Rubrics and Scarabs get a good boost with the stratagems and sorcerors feel like they have distinguishing features and options.

Id have zero complaints at all if it didnt feel like all loyalist marines were grtting giant stupid power boosts vs everybody else in the game, making them comically outperform even identical CSM stuff. Were everybody getting small boosts or side grades id be so pleased with all of this

 Daedalus81 wrote:
It should be noted that all the old GK WL traits were not useful to casting at all. The same for their relics. So much like TS missing aid for Rubrics and SoT the GK got aid for their casting.

I'm also not seeing new traits for GK?

No new WL traits, that was the only real disappointment for me. However, given how powerful the new spells are Loremaster is quite good on say a Chaplain.

BrianDavion wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/18/pre-order-today-sororitas-sorcery-and-suspicious-space-marines/

They posted the points for Lazarus here (105)

Wow. $40 USD for a monopose primaris model with a few head and weapon options. I was planning on getting one for conversions but not at that price. Maybe I'll be able to trade for it in a few years.

that's been the price of primaris characters since we started getting primaris special characters.

I've bought a grand total of one primaris character sold separately (as opposed to the starter set ones parted out on ebay) and it was a special event mini so I apparently incorrectly assumed the upcharge was for that. Primaris Lt's are typically $30 and captains $35. I wasn't aware that the special character tax was $5 on top of that too.

For the remainder of the edition itll be the same somg and dance as 7th:

"This is good and fun but cant compete with scatterbikes and free razorback spam"

"Nothing should compete with that, those things should be nerfed."

*neither gets nerfed until a new edition blows up all the rules in the game*

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
It should be noted that all the old GK WL traits were not useful to casting at all. The same for their relics. So much like TS missing aid for Rubrics and SoT the GK got aid for their casting.

I'm also not seeing new traits for GK?

No new WL traits, that was the only real disappointment for me. However, given how powerful the new spells are Loremaster is quite good on say a Chaplain.

Yea a chaplain with litanies AND a spell? Yes, please.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

MiguelFelstone wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
It should be noted that all the old GK WL traits were not useful to casting at all. The same for their relics. So much like TS missing aid for Rubrics and SoT the GK got aid for their casting.

I'm also not seeing new traits for GK?

No new WL traits, that was the only real disappointment for me. However, given how powerful the new spells are Loremaster is quite good on say a Chaplain.

Yea a chaplain with litanies AND a spell? Yes, please.

The ultimate buff bot, give him the new relic and you more or less guarantee 4-5 CP over the game. No need for that second battalion.

the_scotsman wrote:
For the remainder of the edition itll be the same somg and dance as 7th:

"This is good and fun but cant compete with scatterbikes and free razorback spam"

"Nothing should compete with that, those things should be nerfed."

*neither gets nerfed until a new edition blows up all the rules in the game*

SM won't get nerfed. GW has too much riding on the success of the Primaris Space Marine product line to jeopardize it for something as trivial as game balance.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
For the remainder of the edition itll be the same somg and dance as 7th:

"This is good and fun but cant compete with scatterbikes and free razorback spam"

"Nothing should compete with that, those things should be nerfed."

*neither gets nerfed until a new edition blows up all the rules in the game*

SM won't get nerfed. GW has too much riding on the success of the Primaris Space Marine product line to jeopardize it for something as trivial as game balance.

can we please stop derailing this thread with space marine complaints?

That's not a complaint about Space Marines. That's a reality of GW's business.

It's whinging 100%, even if it's true.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
For the remainder of the edition itll be the same somg and dance as 7th:

"This is good and fun but cant compete with scatterbikes and free razorback spam"

"Nothing should compete with that, those things should be nerfed."

*neither gets nerfed until a new edition blows up all the rules in the game*

SM won't get nerfed. GW has too much riding on the success of the Primaris Space Marine product line to jeopardize it for something as trivial as game balance.

can we please stop derailing this thread with space marine complaints?

Yes, lets. For what feels like the hundredth time.

Mods - can you explain exactly what you consider off topic for this thread please?

Surely a poster exclaiming; 'I'm really happy with what my faction got' is no more on topic than; 'I'm not happy my faction got less than x faction'?

Is this some weird positive perception thing?

I made this thread and the intention was to speculate and share news for all things PA. If people are speculating that the next PA will have more rules for one faction than another, I'm really struggling to see how that can be considered off topic?