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Yeah I hope Ghaz comes out by himself, if he looks half as hood as I got a hunch he will I might just buy him for painting and display

 Mr Morden wrote:

 xttz wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

except one of the books is clearly set later on.

That's crazy. I've read the fluff very carefully since 2E and every single major event happens simultaneously in the year 40,999.

The various battles for Armeggedon? The Babab War?
.

I mean I assume you know he is clearly making a joke at GWs expense there right?

Danny76 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 xttz wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

except one of the books is clearly set later on.

That's crazy. I've read the fluff very carefully since 2E and every single major event happens simultaneously in the year 40,999.

The various battles for Armeggedon? The Babab War?
.

I mean I assume you know he is clearly making a joke at GWs expense there right?

How exactly would I know that. So no.....no indcators it was a joke and my telepathy was off

Some people know the lore, some people think they do and some are new or have not read deeply - dangerous for me to assume.

Has there been any new Ork Characters after the fall of Cadia, any word of Orkimedies and others?

BrianDavion wrote:
Yeah I hope Ghaz comes out by himself, if he looks half as hood as I got a hunch he will I might just buy him for painting and display

If Ghaz comes in an expencive "blood of the phoenix" style box and then have to wait 6+ months to be released separatley, I predict weeping and wailing and mourning
and gnashing of teeth.

I doubt they would put a model of that caliber in a box though. But then again the whole PA series is the most cynic, greedy piece of gak GW pulled since Rountree took over. Mephiston was nice, but I dont expect much from this.

I cant see Ghaz coming in a box set. Hes going to be huge. Armigers or the smallest KO ships are the biggest things I think weve seen put in sets

Tooth and claw had a redemptor in it to be fair, which might not be taller but is rivalling an armiger in terms of bulk plastic... It's not a small kit at all.

Now, is Ghaz going to be bigger than a redemptor? If he is it would be awesome but mental... He'd make Bobby G look like a chump

The fact Ghaz was teased on his own (yeah, yeah I know) makes me think he won't be in a battle box. He'll probably be an Abaddon type affair. He's already got the bait and switch teaser trailer shown at an event.

Unfortunately they seem to have moved away from the triumvirate boxes they were doing at the end of 7th; I’d love a Ghaz + Zogwort + Big Mek box.

 Jadenim wrote:
Unfortunately they seem to have moved away from the triumvirate boxes they were doing at the end of 7th; I’d love a Ghaz + Zogwort + Big Mek box.

Those were a lot better than having characters buried in starter-sized box sets.

 Fayric wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Yeah I hope Ghaz comes out by himself, if he looks half as hood as I got a hunch he will I might just buy him for painting and display

If Ghaz comes in an expencive "blood of the phoenix" style box and then have to wait 6+ months to be released separatley, I predict weeping and wailing and mourning
and gnashing of teeth.

I doubt they would put a model of that caliber in a box though. But then again the whole PA series is the most cynic, greedy piece of gak GW pulled since Rountree took over. Mephiston was nice, but I dont expect much from this.

Given others are saying GW won’t do that, I’d say you’re prediction if they do will be absolutely on da teef!

Preorder for the book is next Saturday

The Greater Good is the latest book in the Psychic Awakening series, focusing on the ambitious T’au Empire, stalwart Astra Militarum and Ordo Tempestus, and insidious Genestealer Cults. You’ll find new rules, Relics, Warlord Traits and Stratagems for all four factions, wrapped in a thrilling story exploring a sprawling war that leaves them all paranoid and reeling. We’ll dig deeper into each of these factions, so keep an eye out for more information later this week.

They call out datasheets for Shadowsun and The Eight.

GSC start collecting is finally coming!
They changed it from the version in the book!


Kelermorph is also up for preorder next Saturday.

Is the GSC box standard value? Seems mildly disappointing (to me personally). I'll still be buying it though as I'm just starting my GSC, but I'd have preferred something more impressive (the large 4WD instead of the smaller buggy, or maybe the bikers instead of the Acolytes).

About damn time GSC got its own cult-indoctrinication-tool like everyone. With different name.

Although it is bit mixed that Goliath was switched to Achilles.

I wish the characters wasn’t an iconward. Probably the least enticing one they could’ve put there..

I sort of assumed that they were going to use the deathwatch overkill sprues for a get started box.

It's extremely strange that the Goliath was swapped to the Achilles but the Iconward was left in. There was some speculation that the Iconward might get swapped out for something else(Kelermorph) but it seems to not be the case!

I onward can easily be made into a standard Hybrid.

Which gives this set a wider sales potential?

I mean, three give me a 17 Strong Neophyte, 30 strong Acolyte ( May have those the wrong way round), a unit of Achilles and an Iconward?

Yes, the GSC releases were much waited, but i'm itching for Astra militarum news. I think that GW is at point of make-or-break, for the new plastic guardsmen. I'm thinking that their options are;
- release plastic models for every codex regiment
- release plastic models for one specific regiment
- make rules for creating your own regiment

Not a bad box. Achilles is a little ??, so not a lot of reasons to buy multiples, but at least its somewhat borderline.
Glad to see the gunslinger by himself.

Not sure why the PA book is pretending stormtroopers are their own faction again, but whatever.

 Jadenim wrote:
Unfortunately they seem to have moved away from the triumvirate boxes they were doing at the end of 7th; I’d love a Ghaz + Zogwort + Big Mek box.

I'm glad those are gone, hopefully never to return. I wanted at most one model from each of them, and the price for the combined box just stopped me cold.

 Spreelock wrote:
Yes, the GSC releases were much waited, but i'm itching for Astra militarum news. I think that GW is at point of make-or-break, for the new plastic guardsmen. I'm thinking that their options are;
- release plastic models for every codex regiment
- release plastic models for one specific regiment
- make rules for creating your own regiment

Well, they're obviously not doing the first one.
If they're doing the second one, they're not doing it anytime soon (and not with this book).

They might do the last one. To be honest, I think they're obliged to. Tying subfaction rules to sculpts is strange (and even worse than paint schemes), especially given that many to most of them just aren't available anymore. Custom regiments seems the best solution.

Swapping the Iconward for a Kelemorph would've left the starter box without an HQ.

Pretty doubtful.

Perhaps they could've swapped it for the Lady-Magus or the Biker-Sniper or perhaps an Abominant.

But the Iconward is presumably the one they'd sell the least, as he's so easy to kitbash from the basic Acolyte box.

Well for me, Iconward is very bland HQ for an xenos cult. It is just a Acolyte carrying big(ger) banner with bit better stats and nothing else.

Heck, it would make sense if Kelemorp would becomes HQ choice and Iconward could be run as cheerleader.

Sotahullu wrote:
Well for me, Iconward is very bland HQ for an xenos cult. It is just a Acolyte carrying big(ger) banner with bit better stats and nothing else.

Heck, it would make sense if Kelemorp would becomes HQ choice and Iconward could be run as cheerleader.

Sure. I'd even agree with that swap, but that'd mean re-writing the Codex, which isn't gonna happen (despite desperately needed).

The only reasonable Codex 2.0 candidate at this time might be AdMech, which seem to be getting a miniature range sufficient to justify it.

GSC is a brand new range of miniatures. They're stuck for the next 4-5 years with an atrocious Codex full of odd choices like no-Chapter Tactics on vehicles and "let's-make-all-cool-unit-specific-strats-also-be-the-sub-faction-specific-strats" that'd only barely worked pre-nerf with Vigilus.

 Spreelock wrote:
Yes, the GSC releases were much waited, but i'm itching for Astra militarum news. I think that GW is at point of make-or-break, for the new plastic guardsmen. I'm thinking that their options are;
- release plastic models for every codex regiment
- release plastic models for one specific regiment
- make rules for creating your own regiment

Well there's no IG models coming with this release. And with this being IG's PA book that rules out IG models in PA. So next chance will likely be 2.0 for new models.

First ain't happening. 3rd is likely coming this book. 2nd is for models they will do when they do but when that is is anybody's guess. Could be codex 2.0, could be codex for 14th edition years down the line.

Voss wrote:
Not a bad box. Achilles is a little ??, so not a lot of reasons to buy multiples, but at least its somewhat borderline.

It's a relatively cheap(in terms of points) vehicle that can get fielded in squadrons and take mortars...there's absolutely a reason to buy multiples.

Glad to see the gunslinger by himself.

Yup. Extremely happy with that.

Not sure why the PA book is pretending stormtroopers are their own faction again, but whatever.

Have you read the Guard book? For all intents and purposes, Scions absolutely are "their own faction".

They can't get <Regiment> traits(but they won't block them if they're in a <Regiment> army), can't get Orders from <Regiment> Officers, can't ride in <Regiment> Transports, etc instead being locked into their "Ordo Tempestus" traits.
"Ordo Tempestus" have their own trait(it's called "Stormtroopers")...but it's extremely sensitive to what you can/can't take.

Hopefully this is going to be subfaction rules for the Tempestus, since they have "Regiments of Renown".

 Kanluwen wrote:

Voss wrote:
Not a bad box. Achilles is a little ??, so not a lot of reasons to buy multiples, but at least its somewhat borderline.

It's a relatively cheap(in terms of points) vehicle that can get fielded in squadrons and take mortars...there's absolutely a reason to buy multiples.

Glad to see the gunslinger by himself.

Yup. Extremely happy with that.

Not sure why the PA book is pretending stormtroopers are their own faction again, but whatever.

Have you read the Guard book? For all intents and purposes, Scions absolutely are "their own faction".

They can't get <Regiment> traits(but they won't block them if they're in a <Regiment> army), can't get Orders from <Regiment> Officers, can't ride in <Regiment> Transports, etc instead being locked into their "Ordo Tempestus" traits.
"Ordo Tempestus" have their own trait(it's called "Stormtroopers")...but it's extremely sensitive to what you can/can't take.

Hopefully this is going to be subfaction rules for the Tempestus, since they have "Regiments of Renown".

They can ride in regiment transports but bringing them would break their doctrine

Voss wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:
Unfortunately they seem to have moved away from the triumvirate boxes they were doing at the end of 7th; I’d love a Ghaz + Zogwort + Big Mek box.

I'm glad those are gone, hopefully never to return. I wanted at most one model from each of them, and the price for the combined box just stopped me cold.

Funny thing it's that you can buy the models individually for the Imperium boxes, while the Xenos one still remains as the only source for those characters.

 Lord Perversor wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:
Unfortunately they seem to have moved away from the triumvirate boxes they were doing at the end of 7th; I’d love a Ghaz + Zogwort + Big Mek box.

I'm glad those are gone, hopefully never to return. I wanted at most one model from each of them, and the price for the combined box just stopped me cold.

Funny thing it's that you can buy the models individually for the Imperium boxes, while the Xenos one still remains as the only source for those characters.

The imperial ones were all different characters from different factions. The Eldar one is all for Ynnari, and it’s cheaper buying them together than it would be if they separated them.

 Fayric wrote:
If Ghaz comes in an expencive "blood of the phoenix" style box and then have to wait 6+ months to be released separatley, I predict weeping and wailing and mourning
and gnashing of teeth.

I think the only way to make an ork box at the same level of suck Blood of the Phoenix would be putting Ghaz in a box with a mek workshop and a stompa - and I'd still buy that
Almost all our terrible units are multi-kits that build into others. The worst thing that could happen would be getting a battlewagon, deff dread or killa kanz, just like in every other box set since AOBR.

If they put Ghaz in a box with new Tankbustas and Kommandos, that would be worth it.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
If Ghaz comes in an expencive "blood of the phoenix" style box and then have to wait 6+ months to be released separatley, I predict weeping and wailing and mourning
and gnashing of teeth.

I think the only way to make an ork box at the same level of suck Blood of the Phoenix would be putting Ghaz in a box with a mek workshop and a stompa - and I'd still buy that
Almost all our terrible units are multi-kits that build into others. The worst thing that could happen would be getting a battlewagon, deff dread or killa kanz, just like in every other box set since AOBR.

Two ork mek shops with a special detachment requiring 2-3 that allows one of the mek shops to be used on two vehicles at once, once per game. This will then be immediately errata'd to the ability being unusable round 1.