Psychic Awakening N&R - FAQs p.183.

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**the_scotsman**

Apologist wrote:
I'm being dim, I think – when do you roll to determine the Type of a weapon?

"Heavy D6" - how many shots it gets.

**Nurglitch**

Type like Heavy D6.

**Gadzilla666**

Sunny Side Up wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:

4/19 of the custom successor chapter traits appear in the normal chapter traits.

IDK how much of the craftworld list was part of the original craftworlds' traits. I don't think any? Unless something like bieltan snuck in there and I didnt' notice.

nah. Should be more than 4

Master Artisan - part of Salamanders
Born Heros - part of Space Wolves
Hungry for Battle - part of Blood Angels
Indomitable - part of Dark Angels
Scions of Forge - a third of Iron Hands
5++ vs. Mortals - part of Black Templars
Psychic re-rolls - part of Blood Ravens
Tactical Withdrawl - part of White Scars

Probably more

Don't forget the ones stolen from other codexes.

Fearsome aspect: stolen from Night Lords.

I'm sure there's more but that's the one that irks me.

**Babar_babar**

Imateria wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
I love how they had to exclude broodbros from tank aces, apparently there has never been a tank ace fallen to the cult Man GSC can't catch a break.

There seems to be some fun stuff in there. I don't think the game needed more overwatching on a 5+, and now guard vehicles have better living metal/demonic resilience then Necrons of chaos with jury rigging. It's also a bit awkward that they named it the exact same thing as the stratagem "jury rigging" but at least they are trying to make the tanks better and sentinels got a bump which is nice.

All in all I'd say the guard preview is the best yet as it clearly attempts to patch the short comings and issues folks have been having while not being overly good. Hopefully the rest of the book matches this and GSC and Tau both level out to this result.

I'd say the Tau one looked really good to me, but I don't know enough about AM to say whether losing your warlord trait for Tank Aces is a good trade in the way it's an auto take for Tyranids and Adaptive Physioligy.

I also noticed they specifically said there are only 12 regimental doctrines for AM, thats quite a lot less than we've seen for most other factions. Then again, Craftworlds have something like 25 but at least 15 of them are useless, so hopefully this time they actually stopped when they ran out of good ideas.

I will totally pay a CP to give -1AP to a tank commander, I think it is not necessary to give up your WT and we usually swim in CP

**Apologist**

the_scotsman; nurglitch – thanks for the swift replies

**Spreelock**

Jury rigged repairs, that is just so good, i'm starting to think about fielding mechanized company once again. My 10 chimeras have been long enough on the shelf since the 7th edition..

**Babar_babar**

Spreelock wrote:
Jury rigged repairs, that is just so good, i'm starting to think about fielding mechanized company once again. My 10 chimeras have been long enough on the shelf since the 7th edition..

Put double flamer on those and use the "new" gunnery experts to add some pain

**Mr Morden**

Spreelock wrote:
Oh yeah, my artillery is going to like jury rigged repairs and reroll the number of shots. Tank Ace thingy also seems legit.

Fething Artillery is stupid enough already - did not need more of a boost.

Like the new lore elements of the Stormtroopers

**CthuluIsSpy**

Kanluwen wrote:

You pick two of them but it locks you out of Regimental Relics, Orders, and characters.

Do they? I don't think the other build a faction systems lock you out of relics, and in the article it specifically mentions that you can combine disciplined shooters with FRFSRF

**Bdrone**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

You pick two of them but it locks you out of Regimental Relics, Orders, and characters.

Do they? I don't think the other build a faction systems lock you out of relics, and in the article it specifically mentions that you can combine disciplined sharpshooters with FRFSRF

theres regimental orders dependent on guard subfaction. FRFSRF is a Generic order. one will have to weigh not just the value of the regimental benefits, loss of characters, relics mostlikely, and definately the order in that case.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Bdrone wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

You pick two of them but it locks you out of Regimental Relics, Orders, and characters.

Do they? I don't think the other build a faction systems lock you out of relics, and in the article it specifically mentions that you can combine disciplined sharpshooters with FRFSRF

theres regimental orders dependent on guard subfaction. FRFSRF is a Generic order, so its both correct and not correct. one will have to weigh not just the value of the regimental benefits, loss of characters, relics mostlikely, and definately the order in that case.

Oh ok that makes sense. That's a fair trade off, really - you can make your own faction and combine traits to your liking, but you lose out on some sub faction specific options.

**An Actual Englishman**

Some of the IG stuff looks really strong. Promising. I also like the way some of the options are restricted from Brood Brothers which answers my question from yesterday.

Can anyone explain to me why only Codex Marines can build their own chapter but still benefit from Chapter-specific stuff? Isn't that imbalanced by definition?

**MiguelFelstone**

the_scotsman wrote:

Catchan Dominus Siege Bombard just got real, that's ~18 Lascannon+ shots that ignore LoS. 108 potential damage, that's one dead knight every round.

**the_scotsman**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Bdrone wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

You pick two of them but it locks you out of Regimental Relics, Orders, and characters.

Do they? I don't think the other build a faction systems lock you out of relics, and in the article it specifically mentions that you can combine disciplined sharpshooters with FRFSRF

theres regimental orders dependent on guard subfaction. FRFSRF is a Generic order, so its both correct and not correct. one will have to weigh not just the value of the regimental benefits, loss of characters, relics mostlikely, and definately the order in that case.

Oh ok that makes sense. That's a fair trade off, really - you can make your own faction and combine traits to your liking, but you lose out on some sub faction specific options.

Yeah it would be

really

really

way

more balanced if some

other factions

had this perfectly reasonable, normal requirement to get their subfaction-specific bonuses only if they didn't take the more power-gameable custom traits.

**CthuluIsSpy**

the_scotsman wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Bdrone wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

You pick two of them but it locks you out of Regimental Relics, Orders, and characters.

Do they? I don't think the other build a faction systems lock you out of relics, and in the article it specifically mentions that you can combine disciplined sharpshooters with FRFSRF

theres regimental orders dependent on guard subfaction. FRFSRF is a Generic order, so its both correct and not correct. one will have to weigh not just the value of the regimental benefits, loss of characters, relics mostlikely, and definately the order in that case.

Oh ok that makes sense. That's a fair trade off, really - you can make your own faction and combine traits to your liking, but you lose out on some sub faction specific options.

Yeah it would be

really

really

way

more balanced if some

other factions

had this perfectly reasonable, normal requirement to get their subfaction-specific bonuses only if they didn't take the more power-gameable custom traits.

...Marines get special treatment, don't they? Of course they do

**Gadzilla666**

An Actual Englishman wrote:
Some of the IG stuff looks really strong. Promising. I also like the way some of the options are restricted from Brood Brothers which answers my question from yesterday.

Can anyone explain to me why only Codex Marines can build their own chapter but still benefit from Chapter-specific stuff? Isn't that imbalanced by definition?

Marines unbalanced? Surely you jest. Marine players everywhere say otherwise.

**MiguelFelstone**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
An Actual Englishman wrote:
Some of the IG stuff looks really strong. Promising. I also like the way some of the options are restricted from Brood Brothers which answers my question from yesterday.

Can anyone explain to me why only Codex Marines can build their own chapter but still benefit from Chapter-specific stuff? Isn't that imbalanced by definition?

Marines unbalanced? Surely you jest. Marine players everywhere say otherwise.

Ishagu wrote:
GW have balanced the game now.

**tneva82**

Nurglitch wrote:
Type like Heavy D6.

Basically inferior version of catachan's roll extra dice when picking # of shots and pick highest

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MiguelFelstone wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:

Catchan Dominus Siege Bombard just got real, that's ~18 Lascannon+ shots that ignore LoS. 108 potential damage, that's one dead knight every round.

Why you mention catachan with this photo? This is custom doctrine so you won't be combining catachan with this.

Furthermore neither this nor catachan doctrine increases # of shots you can make at most. Just makes higher results bit more likely. With Dominus siege bombard you roll 2d6 discard lowest so your average is around 9. With this you roll 2d6 and then can reroll 1. So if you roll 5 and 3 you are in bit of a quandry. If you reroll that 3 1/6 time it's same, 1/3 time you get less. Mathematically you get slightly more by rerolling 3 but it's not much and risks weakening your salvo.

And combining catachan and this is illegal.

**Imateria**

Babar_babar wrote:
Imateria wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
I love how they had to exclude broodbros from tank aces, apparently there has never been a tank ace fallen to the cult Man GSC can't catch a break.

There seems to be some fun stuff in there. I don't think the game needed more overwatching on a 5+, and now guard vehicles have better living metal/demonic resilience then Necrons of chaos with jury rigging. It's also a bit awkward that they named it the exact same thing as the stratagem "jury rigging" but at least they are trying to make the tanks better and sentinels got a bump which is nice.

All in all I'd say the guard preview is the best yet as it clearly attempts to patch the short comings and issues folks have been having while not being overly good. Hopefully the rest of the book matches this and GSC and Tau both level out to this result.

I'd say the Tau one looked really good to me, but I don't know enough about AM to say whether losing your warlord trait for Tank Aces is a good trade in the way it's an auto take for Tyranids and Adaptive Physioligy.

I also noticed they specifically said there are only 12 regimental doctrines for AM, thats quite a lot less than we've seen for most other factions. Then again, Craftworlds have something like 25 but at least 15 of them are useless, so hopefully this time they actually stopped when they ran out of good ideas.

I will totally pay a CP to give -1AP to a tank commander, I think it is not necessary to give up your WT and we usually swim in CP

The article words it exactly the same as Tyranids Adaptive Physioligy, specifically saying you will have to give up your warlord trait to get them. The stratagem lets you take a second one, not circumvent doing away with the warlord trait.

**MiguelFelstone**

tneva82 wrote:
And combining catachan and this is illegal.

Not really a Guard player beyond Loyal 32, obviously, would have been cool to combine them though, clearly i misread it.

**BrianDavion**

gunnery experts feels like a bit of a middle finger to sisters with miracle dice

**Kaneda88**

Imateria wrote:
Babar_babar wrote:
Imateria wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
I love how they had to exclude broodbros from tank aces, apparently there has never been a tank ace fallen to the cult Man GSC can't catch a break.

There seems to be some fun stuff in there. I don't think the game needed more overwatching on a 5+, and now guard vehicles have better living metal/demonic resilience then Necrons of chaos with jury rigging. It's also a bit awkward that they named it the exact same thing as the stratagem "jury rigging" but at least they are trying to make the tanks better and sentinels got a bump which is nice.

All in all I'd say the guard preview is the best yet as it clearly attempts to patch the short comings and issues folks have been having while not being overly good. Hopefully the rest of the book matches this and GSC and Tau both level out to this result.

I'd say the Tau one looked really good to me, but I don't know enough about AM to say whether losing your warlord trait for Tank Aces is a good trade in the way it's an auto take for Tyranids and Adaptive Physioligy.

I also noticed they specifically said there are only 12 regimental doctrines for AM, thats quite a lot less than we've seen for most other factions. Then again, Craftworlds have something like 25 but at least 15 of them are useless, so hopefully this time they actually stopped when they ran out of good ideas.

I will totally pay a CP to give -1AP to a tank commander, I think it is not necessary to give up your WT and we usually swim in CP

The article words it exactly the same as Tyranids Adaptive Physioligy, specifically saying you will have to give up your warlord trait to get them. The stratagem lets you take a second one, not circumvent doing away with the warlord trait.

While i take the community team with a grain of salt for the actual wording of things they say alternatively to giving up the warlord trait you can use the strat and the strat itself does not mention giving up warlord traits

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BrianDavion wrote:
gunnery experts feels like a bit of a middle finger to sisters with miracle dice

You mean the half doctrine that is the weak version of half the doctrine catachan have had since the guard codex that predates sisters by more than a year?

**H.B.M.C.**

Imateria wrote:
The article words it exactly the same as Tyranids Adaptive Physioligy, specifically saying you will have to give up your warlord trait to get them. The stratagem lets you take a second one, not circumvent doing away with the warlord trait.

It says nothing about Warlord Traits at all.

"Use this Stratagem before the battle. Select one Tyranids INFANTRY unit or one Tyranids MONSTER model from your army that does not have an Adaptive Physiology, and then select one Adaptive Physiology to apply to that unit or model until the end of the battle. You can only use this Stratagem once per battle."

Where does it say I give up my Warlord Trait to use this Stratagem? Where does it say that this is a second Adaptive Physiology?

All this does is allow you to pay on CP and give something Adaptive Physiology. The only restriction within the strat is that you cannot use this strat to give something that already has Adaptive Physiology a second Adaptive Physiology. If you want to take Adaptive Physiology and don't want to pay 1 CP then you have to give up your Warlord trait, but the only requirement outside of paying 1 CP for this strat is that you have to "have a Tyranids CHARACTER in your army" (PABOB Page 76).

**Gadzilla666**

BrianDavion wrote:
gunnery experts feels like a bit of a middle finger to sisters with miracle dice

Or they're running out of creativity and are just recycling traits that already exist. It's just a piece of the Catachan doctrine after all.

**BrianDavion**

Gadzilla666 wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
gunnery experts feels like a bit of a middle finger to sisters with miracle dice

Or they're running out of creativity and are just recycling traits that already exist. It's just a piece of the Catachan doctrine after all.

ahh well in fairne4ss "create a chapter" has always taken elements from the canon ones and put some new ones in, thats always been the case. I don't see it as unimaginative, I see it as allowing you to get some "variation" on themes, such as taking stealthy and marksmen with Marines to get a raptors style chapter

**H.B.M.C.**

I think it's a good idea. More variety in creating Your Guys™ is a good thing when implemented correctly.

**Twoshoes23**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think it's a good idea. More variety in creating Your Guys™ is a good thing when implemented correctly.

I agree...also am excited to use those last two stratagems mentioned for hellhounds and sentinels. Specifically the hellhound one to give my ambushing devil dog a greater chance on getting that kill. Kind of weird how you get to reroll the wound roll only if they have cover but if they are in the open not so much but I'll take it for 1cp for sure. Looking good so far, excited to see the rest.

**BrianDavion**

I'm hoping that we'll see a future PA that covers chaos renegades and gives some warband creation traits and the like for chaos.

**An Actual Englishman**

Can we keep to the topic? The topic isn't; "let's drown the World in a million CSM tears".

**MrMoustaffa**

Tank Ace strat specifically allows you to take one and a regular warlord trait, the article itself mentions this. All it says is pick a tank that doesn't have an ability, and give it one. That means two tanks can get it if you give up WLT or take one and have a WLT as well. That said with vigilus you could take the vigilus overwatch WLT, the 5+ overwatch trait/reroll shots trait, and two tank aces. Not a bad start for a pure armored company. Curious to see what else we have. Seems like GW is trying to add flavor for tank companies

The Stormtroopers abitkes are pretty cool too. There's some nasty stuff there if you know what you're doing. Basically anything but the extra hits traits have some serious power to them.