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**Togusa**

Spoletta wrote:
Omega-soul wrote:
Spoletta wrote:
CA does not change datasheets.
.

Well yeah, except that it's in fact hard no.

Spoiler:

I repeat.

CA does not change datasheets.

You brought an example of realigning datasheets that existed in multiple versions in various publications, but the most updated intercessor datasheet had already been publicated elsewhere.

Never before CA has changed a specific rule or a profile. That is what FAQs are for.

That statement would mean more if there were more than two copies of CA. This is GW, it's not going to remain that way forever, sooner or later CA will have lots of stuff in it that it's not "supposed" to have.

**balmong7**

Well on the off chance this rumor is true. Tau don't have to worry about the shield drone price increase. Losing the FNP makes them useless. I hope everyone likes facing 30-50 gun drones in a list.

**An Actual Englishman**

Tiberius501 wrote:
For the love of god, stahp. The constant derailing of threads into whinging about marines getting more than the other factions is getting so old. We know. Let’s move on, please. This has been going on for like 5 pages now.

There's no new credible PA leaks. If there are I'll update the OP and title. Feel free to ignore the thread if you have nothing constructive to add. No one is going to stop because you're demanding it unless you're a mod. I'd say it just shows how much the community has been upset by the marine treatment myself. Hopefully GW are listening.

**Togusa**

balmong7 wrote:
Well on the off chance this rumor is true. Tau don't have to worry about the shield drone price increase. Losing the FNP makes them useless. I hope everyone likes facing 30-50 gun drones in a list.

Instead of relying on GW to infinitely balance the game, the community of players could simply choose to stop min/maxing their armies to no benefit.

What a community we'd be if we'd just play for fun instead of for head smashing.

**VladimirHerzog**

Togusa wrote:
balmong7 wrote:
Well on the off chance this rumor is true. Tau don't have to worry about the shield drone price increase. Losing the FNP makes them useless. I hope everyone likes facing 30-50 gun drones in a list.

Instead of relying on GW to infinitely balance the game, the community of players could simply choose to stop min/maxing their armies to no benefit.

What a community we'd be if we'd just play for fun instead of for head smashing.

FFS this mentality of either side (casual vs competitive) being righ twhile the other one isnt pisses me off so much. Warhammer is a game, like any game, people have different reason for playing it. You can play it to enjoy a story (like DnD) or you can play it to try and be as competitive as possible (Chess). Both ways are perfectly fine. Everytime someone comes out of the woodworks and says that "thats not what the game is about" just shows how obtuse they are. It might not be what its about for you but its still what its about for someone else.

The fact that GW thinks their shoddy balance is fine because "just play it RAI instead of RAW" sucks because if they had a proper ruleset, both sides of the equation would benefit.

**LunarSol**

VladimirHerzog wrote:

The fact that GW thinks their shoddy balance is fine because "just play it RAI instead of RAW" sucks because if they had a proper ruleset, both sides of the equation would benefit.

They've largely been a lot better about RAW in 8th. Some of it has been a little clunky, but its nice to see them adapting things like rerolls to make them interact with modifiers better.

**VladimirHerzog**

LunarSol wrote:
VladimirHerzog wrote:

The fact that GW thinks their shoddy balance is fine because "just play it RAI instead of RAW" sucks because if they had a proper ruleset, both sides of the equation would benefit.

They've largely been a lot better about RAW in 8th. Some of it has been a little clunky, but its nice to see them adapting things like rerolls to make them interact with modifiers better.

they litterally condescended the players in the salamanders faq.

Though the Stratagem
in question is being played ‘rules as written’, on this
occasion it is clearly not something we ever intended.

this is what i was refering to, how were we supposed to know what they wrote was CLEARLY not what they meant....

And then theres this

Some fiendish combinations we had not spotted
are possible in order to reliably inflict far more mortal
wounds than were ever intended

This shows how disconnected they are from what a game's rules should be.

**Grimgold**

So what is going on with chapter approved, we are two to three weeks away from it's street date and have not heard a peep out of GW.

**LunarSol**

Grimgold wrote:
So what is going on with chapter approved, we are two to three weeks away from it's street date and have not heard a peep out of GW.

Someone's frantically going through every copy with a sharpie to fix the marine points.

**An Actual Englishman**

I doubt those leaks to be honest, the reputable French guys have denied them so I don't think they're credible.

PA will focus on legends which GW think is a gift when it is actually a slap in the face. It's been stated this is at least one focus of the book in the red gobbo release article.

**Grimgold**

LunarSol wrote:
Grimgold wrote:
So what is going on with chapter approved, we are two to three weeks away from it's street date and have not heard a peep out of GW.

Someone's frantically going through every copy with a sharpie to fix the marine points.

"Moar Interns! Those points ain't gonna to reduce themselves!" ~ Some Git at GW, Maybe

It came out on Dec 8th of last year, so it's coming out on the 7th or 14th of this year, that means tomorrow for the announcement you can Pre-order it on black Friday, which means they should have been talking about it this week. Did it get bumped so we could have 3 PAs before year end?

**DudleyGrim**

I mean, if the rumors are true I wouldn't mind 2 wound Plague Marines if the points cost was fairly competitive. Honestly though, I would be happy to have the 2 attacks that Plague Marines had in previous editions. Would make using all those nice melee weapons options on the sprue worth while.

**Togusa**

VladimirHerzog wrote:
Togusa wrote:
balmong7 wrote:
Well on the off chance this rumor is true. Tau don't have to worry about the shield drone price increase. Losing the FNP makes them useless. I hope everyone likes facing 30-50 gun drones in a list.

Instead of relying on GW to infinitely balance the game, the community of players could simply choose to stop min/maxing their armies to no benefit.

What a community we'd be if we'd just play for fun instead of for head smashing.

FFS this mentality of either side (casual vs competitive) being righ twhile the other one isnt pisses me off so much. Warhammer is a game, like any game, people have different reason for playing it. You can play it to enjoy a story (like DnD) or you can play it to try and be as competitive as possible (Chess). Both ways are perfectly fine. Everytime someone comes out of the woodworks and says that "thats not what the game is about" just shows how obtuse they are. It might not be what its about for you but its still what its about for someone else.

The fact that GW thinks their shoddy balance is fine because "just play it RAI instead of RAW" sucks because if they had a proper ruleset, both sides of the equation would benefit.

It's kind of hard when one of those two sides grossly out numbers the other. I have two stores in my neighborhood that I can choose to patron. 1 of them is nothing by WAACs, the other is much more casual. Guess which store outnumbers the other 10 to 1?

I'm lucky to even have the other store too, most people don't even get that.

**deTox91**

Togusa wrote:

It's kind of hard when one of those two sides grossly out numbers the other. I have two stores in my neighborhood that I can choose to patron. 1 of them is nothing by WAACs, the other is much more casual. Guess which store outnumbers the other 10 to 1?

I'm lucky to even have the other store too, most people don't even get that.

Com'on man don't leave us hanging like that, which one?

**VladimirHerzog**

Togusa wrote:
VladimirHerzog wrote:
Togusa wrote:
balmong7 wrote:
Well on the off chance this rumor is true. Tau don't have to worry about the shield drone price increase. Losing the FNP makes them useless. I hope everyone likes facing 30-50 gun drones in a list.

Instead of relying on GW to infinitely balance the game, the community of players could simply choose to stop min/maxing their armies to no benefit.

What a community we'd be if we'd just play for fun instead of for head smashing.

FFS this mentality of either side (casual vs competitive) being righ twhile the other one isnt pisses me off so much. Warhammer is a game, like any game, people have different reason for playing it. You can play it to enjoy a story (like DnD) or you can play it to try and be as competitive as possible (Chess). Both ways are perfectly fine. Everytime someone comes out of the woodworks and says that "thats not what the game is about" just shows how obtuse they are. It might not be what its about for you but its still what its about for someone else.

The fact that GW thinks their shoddy balance is fine because "just play it RAI instead of RAW" sucks because if they had a proper ruleset, both sides of the equation would benefit.

It's kind of hard when one of those two sides grossly out numbers the other. I have two stores in my neighborhood that I can choose to patron. 1 of them is nothing by WAACs, the other is much more casual. Guess which store outnumbers the other 10 to 1?

I'm lucky to even have the other store too, most people don't even get that.

I can't actually guess which one is more popular. From my experience, both are present in all the stores i've visited (granted i live in a city with many stores nearby).

Still, i dont think its fair for any side to dismiss the other. I play 40k both ways, i dont feel like demanding good rules only affects one of the two groups.

**Togusa**

VladimirHerzog wrote:
Togusa wrote:
VladimirHerzog wrote:
Togusa wrote:
balmong7 wrote:
Well on the off chance this rumor is true. Tau don't have to worry about the shield drone price increase. Losing the FNP makes them useless. I hope everyone likes facing 30-50 gun drones in a list.

Instead of relying on GW to infinitely balance the game, the community of players could simply choose to stop min/maxing their armies to no benefit.

What a community we'd be if we'd just play for fun instead of for head smashing.

FFS this mentality of either side (casual vs competitive) being righ twhile the other one isnt pisses me off so much. Warhammer is a game, like any game, people have different reason for playing it. You can play it to enjoy a story (like DnD) or you can play it to try and be as competitive as possible (Chess). Both ways are perfectly fine. Everytime someone comes out of the woodworks and says that "thats not what the game is about" just shows how obtuse they are. It might not be what its about for you but its still what its about for someone else.

The fact that GW thinks their shoddy balance is fine because "just play it RAI instead of RAW" sucks because if they had a proper ruleset, both sides of the equation would benefit.

It's kind of hard when one of those two sides grossly out numbers the other. I have two stores in my neighborhood that I can choose to patron. 1 of them is nothing by WAACs, the other is much more casual. Guess which store outnumbers the other 10 to 1?

I'm lucky to even have the other store too, most people don't even get that.

I can't actually guess which one is more popular. From my experience, both are present in all the stores i've visited (granted i live in a city with many stores nearby).

Still, i dont think its fair for any side to dismiss the other. I play 40k both ways, i dont feel like demanding good rules only affects one of the two groups.

Store "WAAC" has a consistent 30 players per week, all with 2K point armies.
Store "Funzies" Has about four players per week, most with between 1500-1000 point armies.

Trying to get a game for fun here is about as easy as fist fighting an ork while being an 80 year old imperial citizen.

**Crimson**

Togusa wrote:

Store "Funzies" Has about four players per week, most with between 1500-1000 point armies.

Trying to get a game for fun here is about as easy as fist fighting an ork while being an 80 year old imperial citizen.

So not that hard then.

**alextroy**

I don’t thinking losing an arm in a fight counts as an easy victory

I’ve had a thought recently given all these rumors combined with wondering what rules content we are getting in this CA. Could we be getting a non-“9th edition” rules preview for Single Codex armies ala the Codex previews for Index armies in CA2017? That would explain the Mechanicus rumor and five pages of rules content for the book.

**oni**

Lemondish wrote:
YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
ITC based competitive players being part of the play test has me more or less expecting no real resolution to balance in 40k.

Exactly this.

ITC is a set of cherished house rules that should not be part of this game any longer.

Exactly! ITC and Nova have been an absolute albatross to W40K.

**Imateria**

Tiberius501 wrote:
For the love of god, stahp. The constant derailing of threads into whinging about marines getting more than the other factions is getting so old. We know. Let’s move on, please. This has been going on for like 5 pages now.

You'll find there's two problems with this. The first is that we hav ebeen desperately short on any kind of rumours for CA this year, the other is that most of those we have got are related to Marines. Kind of hard not to get people complaining about them when it's the only thing we're given to talk about at the exclusion of all else.

**Togusa**

Crimson wrote:
Togusa wrote:

Store "Funzies" Has about four players per week, most with between 1500-1000 point armies.

Trying to get a game for fun here is about as easy as fist fighting an ork while being an 80 year old imperial citizen.

So not that hard then.

Citizen, not Commissar with decades of service.

**LunarSol**

alextroy wrote:
I don’t thinking losing an arm in a fight counts as an easy victory

They never said victory; they said it was hard to fist fight an Ork which is patently untrue. It's remarkably easy to fight an Ork. They'll fight anything with essentially zero provocation. Surviving the fight is another matter entirely...

**Slayer-Fan123**

VladimirHerzog wrote:
Togusa wrote:
VladimirHerzog wrote:
Togusa wrote:
balmong7 wrote:
Well on the off chance this rumor is true. Tau don't have to worry about the shield drone price increase. Losing the FNP makes them useless. I hope everyone likes facing 30-50 gun drones in a list.

Instead of relying on GW to infinitely balance the game, the community of players could simply choose to stop min/maxing their armies to no benefit.

What a community we'd be if we'd just play for fun instead of for head smashing.

FFS this mentality of either side (casual vs competitive) being righ twhile the other one isnt pisses me off so much. Warhammer is a game, like any game, people have different reason for playing it. You can play it to enjoy a story (like DnD) or you can play it to try and be as competitive as possible (Chess). Both ways are perfectly fine. Everytime someone comes out of the woodworks and says that "thats not what the game is about" just shows how obtuse they are. It might not be what its about for you but its still what its about for someone else.

The fact that GW thinks their shoddy balance is fine because "just play it RAI instead of RAW" sucks because if they had a proper ruleset, both sides of the equation would benefit.

It's kind of hard when one of those two sides grossly out numbers the other. I have two stores in my neighborhood that I can choose to patron. 1 of them is nothing by WAACs, the other is much more casual. Guess which store outnumbers the other 10 to 1?

I'm lucky to even have the other store too, most people don't even get that.

I can't actually guess which one is more popular. From my experience, both are present in all the stores i've visited (granted i live in a city with many stores nearby).

Still, i dont think its fair for any side to dismiss the other. I play 40k both ways, i dont feel like demanding good rules only affects one of the two groups.

For some reason a nicely balanced and consolidated rule set scares the casual players.

**FezzikDaBullgryn**

Custodes Spears and axes become assault 3 shooting. gunswords become pistol 4.

Venerable Landraiders drop to 150pts bare.

Jetbikes become 59ppm.

Melta Missiles become frag assault 6, krak assault 2. Same as to the rest of the profile.

Damage on swords are now flat 1, Spears 2, axes 3, fists 3. No more randomness please.

Allarus Terminators drop to 45pts. They shouldn't cost more than bikes.

**BrianDavion**

DominayTrix wrote:
Dr. Mills wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I see we're on to the part in the narrative where the fact that Space Marines of all types that weren't Deathwatch had sub-40% winrates for months is swept under the rug.

Indeed. People like to gloss over that fact.

The fact that marines came back so strong really rustled some people's jimmies to an extent its all they ever talk about. Marines had no viable builds as a vanilla force unless it included Guilliman - as it was painfully obvious marines were balanced around him.
Now that the supplaments and Codex v2 are here, I'm hoping every army gets a similar boost (because by golly some desperately need it!) but the constant diriding of marines, Marine players and the rules is beginning to be an all consuming force on DakkaDakka, and just makes for boring discussion.

Bit of an oversimplification there isn't it? It isn't that they are mad marines are suddenly super viable, instead they are mad that marines HAD a viable build even if it was only G-Man. They absolutely did need a buff, but vanilla marines had a viable build and the non-vanilla ones who actually do have the worst winrates didn't get anything. Marines can't be shoehorned into a single competitive build, but other armies have been repeatedly nerfed out of the competitive scene even if that's their only viable build. Combine this with the fact that we had 3 straight months of marinesturbation and yeah people are going to resent marine players who think they are the only ones who had to go months without a strong competitive list. Especially when GW has a terrible track record for balancing/releasing anything that isn't Imperial this edition.

From a more positive perspective, I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of people on dakka are much more positive in person and dakka provides a nice place to scream into the void. Just like how marine players spammed dakka for months on how weak marines were, people are going to spam dakka as marines are buffed for months on end. Of course people are going to complain if the once a year point adjustments dictate that months of marine dominance will turn into a year of dominance with no end in sight. This is no different from "lol Castellans are don't need point adjustments" that happened last year.

this "ohh it's that marines had a viable build, if you used a single LOW, but the other marine chapters didn't" arguement falls flat when you look at who the majority of the complainers are. the people whining all UNIVERSALLY xenos players. and no Marine players don't think they're the only ones who had to go ages without anything more then a single list (if that) the differance is marine players don't take it as a personal insult when someone else gets a good release.

**Racerguy180**

VladimirHerzog wrote:
LunarSol wrote:
VladimirHerzog wrote:

The fact that GW thinks their shoddy balance is fine because "just play it RAI instead of RAW" sucks because if they had a proper ruleset, both sides of the equation would benefit.

They've largely been a lot better about RAW in 8th. Some of it has been a little clunky, but its nice to see them adapting things like rerolls to make them interact with modifiers better.

they litterally condescended the players in the salamanders faq.

Though the Stratagem
in question is being played ‘rules as written’, on this
occasion it is clearly not something we ever intended.

this is what i was refering to, how were we supposed to know what they wrote was CLEARLY not what they meant....

And then theres this

Some fiendish combinations we had not spotted
are possible in order to reliably inflict far more mortal
wounds than were ever intended

This shows how disconnected they are from what a game's rules should be.

This was directed at those whom are specifically breaking the game. I've played the 18th for the entire edition and it would never even find a way into any games I play.

ITC should just come out with their own points costs and fixed stratagems.

**Togusa**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
VladimirHerzog wrote:
Togusa wrote:
VladimirHerzog wrote:
Togusa wrote:
balmong7 wrote:
Well on the off chance this rumor is true. Tau don't have to worry about the shield drone price increase. Losing the FNP makes them useless. I hope everyone likes facing 30-50 gun drones in a list.

Instead of relying on GW to infinitely balance the game, the community of players could simply choose to stop min/maxing their armies to no benefit.

What a community we'd be if we'd just play for fun instead of for head smashing.

FFS this mentality of either side (casual vs competitive) being righ twhile the other one isnt pisses me off so much. Warhammer is a game, like any game, people have different reason for playing it. You can play it to enjoy a story (like DnD) or you can play it to try and be as competitive as possible (Chess). Both ways are perfectly fine. Everytime someone comes out of the woodworks and says that "thats not what the game is about" just shows how obtuse they are. It might not be what its about for you but its still what its about for someone else.

The fact that GW thinks their shoddy balance is fine because "just play it RAI instead of RAW" sucks because if they had a proper ruleset, both sides of the equation would benefit.

It's kind of hard when one of those two sides grossly out numbers the other. I have two stores in my neighborhood that I can choose to patron. 1 of them is nothing by WAACs, the other is much more casual. Guess which store outnumbers the other 10 to 1?

I'm lucky to even have the other store too, most people don't even get that.

I can't actually guess which one is more popular. From my experience, both are present in all the stores i've visited (granted i live in a city with many stores nearby).

Still, i dont think its fair for any side to dismiss the other. I play 40k both ways, i dont feel like demanding good rules only affects one of the two groups.

For some reason a nicely balanced and consolidated rule set scares the casual players.

No, it doesn't. We know that they can't balance their game worth a damn. Look at Cultists. 1 Build was making them OP, so they just Nuked the unit to the point it wasn't even playable. That's not fixing it, that's knee-jerking.

**Not Online!!!**

Consideirng they also nerfed R&H cultists at the same time, mind you a cultist but worse, the same way, that is no longer knee jerking, that is stupidity.

**cuda1179**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Custodes Spears and axes become assault 3 shooting. gunswords become pistol 4.

Venerable Landraiders drop to 150pts bare.

Jetbikes become 59ppm.

Melta Missiles become frag assault 6, krak assault 2. Same as to the rest of the profile.

Damage on swords are now flat 1, Spears 2, axes 3, fists 3. No more randomness please.

Allarus Terminators drop to 45pts. They shouldn't cost more than bikes.

Is this an actual rumor, or just wishlisting? If an actual rumor I can get on board with it. Basic Custodes need help with shooting.

**Mr Morden**

BrianDavion wrote:
DominayTrix wrote:
Dr. Mills wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I see we're on to the part in the narrative where the fact that Space Marines of all types that weren't Deathwatch had sub-40% winrates for months is swept under the rug.

Indeed. People like to gloss over that fact.

The fact that marines came back so strong really rustled some people's jimmies to an extent its all they ever talk about. Marines had no viable builds as a vanilla force unless it included Guilliman - as it was painfully obvious marines were balanced around him.
Now that the supplaments and Codex v2 are here, I'm hoping every army gets a similar boost (because by golly some desperately need it!) but the constant diriding of marines, Marine players and the rules is beginning to be an all consuming force on DakkaDakka, and just makes for boring discussion.

Bit of an oversimplification there isn't it? It isn't that they are mad marines are suddenly super viable, instead they are mad that marines HAD a viable build even if it was only G-Man. They absolutely did need a buff, but vanilla marines had a viable build and the non-vanilla ones who actually do have the worst winrates didn't get anything. Marines can't be shoehorned into a single competitive build, but other armies have been repeatedly nerfed out of the competitive scene even if that's their only viable build. Combine this with the fact that we had 3 straight months of marinesturbation and yeah people are going to resent marine players who think they are the only ones who had to go months without a strong competitive list. Especially when GW has a terrible track record for balancing/releasing anything that isn't Imperial this edition.

From a more positive perspective, I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of people on dakka are much more positive in person and dakka provides a nice place to scream into the void. Just like how marine players spammed dakka for months on how weak marines were, people are going to spam dakka as marines are buffed for months on end. Of course people are going to complain if the once a year point adjustments dictate that months of marine dominance will turn into a year of dominance with no end in sight. This is no different from "lol Castellans are don't need point adjustments" that happened last year.

this "ohh it's that marines had a viable build, if you used a single LOW, but the other marine chapters didn't" arguement falls flat when you look at who the majority of the complainers are. the people whining all UNIVERSALLY xenos players. and no Marine players don't think they're the only ones who had to go ages without anything more then a single list (if that) the differance is marine players don't take it as a personal insult when someone else gets a good release.

AS A MARINE PLAYER (in bold becuase certain people ignore or perhaps choose to forget this) - lets not forget that Marines are constantly getting models from BOTH GW and FW - all the fething time. We may not want or like them and some of pretend they somehow don't count because they are not defined as the exclusive to particular sub-sub faction they play but we get them - all the time.

Rules vary more - but Marines dominated the 8th ed list at the begining and exclusively marine players linned up to say "wait your turn" to everyone else - then they have got not jst a new Codex but an entire slew of supplements and then the second and likely future Campaign books devoted manily to Marines of all different colours.

Meanwhile there is no sign or indeed likelhood of a single Supplement for a Sept, Craftworld, Dynasty, Cult, Kabal, Hive Fleet, Order or Regiment.

Thats why people not solely devoted to just Marines are annoyed.