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-As others have said Poxwalkers are only down 1 point at 5pts each.
-I can’t see any helbrute point drops.
-it is to blurry to see what plague marines cost.
-actually other than a few units you can’t see many it the DG points.
A loose summary but this was during the Kirby era when GW siced their lawyers on anything possibly related to their IP. Chapter house was a 3rd party that made conversion bits and in some cases models for models Games Workshop didn't make. I know part of the problem in addition to the conversion bits was they either modeled or said in the description to be used with X GW kit. I don't remember exactly what ones, but one I am pretty sure was Thunderwolf Calvary. So GW sued them on a massive list of infringement charges. The went to court and had a big long drawn out battle where GW tried to argue that their IP was completely and totally unique and was never influenced in any way by any other source of fiction. So like for example, Tau battle suits have absolutely no influence from Asia.
Anyway, they won about half and lost others so it was basically a wash. But from that point on, everything became trademarked. That is when the names started switching from Imperial Guard to Astra Militarium and so on. It also became a semi-standard to not include units that didn't have a model and because this was the Kirby era, conversion were heresy. Except of course there were exceptions for various Imperium armies which of course frustrated everyone else for the double standard. It is also seen as a reason a lot of fun, new 5e units were squatted in future editions. For example, dark eldar losing Vect plus a half dozen other special characters because they had no model support.
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Wraithknight at -45 doesnt solve the problem of it occupying a LoW slot....it needs to be a heavy support choice, period. Also if rhinos really go up 15 points to 91 when the impulsor is 79 that is just fething DO NOT CIRCUMVENT THE LANGUAGE FILTER - BROOKM
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Let a billion souls burn in death than for one soul to bend knee to a false Emperor.....
"I am the punishment of God, had you not committed great sin, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you"
quickfuze wrote: Wraithknight at -45 doesnt solve the problem of it occupying a LoW slot....it needs to be a heavy support choice, period. Also if rhinos really go up 15 points to 91 when the impulsor is 79 that is just fething DO NOT CIRCUMVENT THE LANGUAGE FILTER - BROOKM
Supreme Command with Spiritseer, 2 wraithseers, wraithguard in a serpent and the wraithknight.
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quickfuze wrote: Also if rhinos really go up 15 points to 91 when the impulsor is 79 that is just fething DO NOT CIRCUMVENT THE LANGUAGE FILTER - BROOKM
I hate to be the doomsayer here, but I've been saying for quite some time that people shouldn't expect anything in terms of improving pre-Primaris Marines. I fully expect more and more OG Astartes units to get pushed toward the "Warhammer Legends" category that was mentioned and there won't be any real updates for them in terms of models or rules. I'm basing that off this Community article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/29/breaking-news-sisters-psykers-and-skeletonsgw-homepage-post-4/ (Down below all the fun stuff).
That being said, it's certainly GW's M.O. to push players towards buying the new shinies- even though many times, they're not very good at it because it does seem that they overestimate the effectiveness and practicality of some of their newer models (I don't think their playtesters are being very honest sometimes).
I actually believe- or at least, strongly hope that while all the old stuff will still be valid- there will be more options for our "Primaris Marines that will just be Space Marines from now on", because it's already pretty easy to kitbash older models with them, for the most part. I've already experimented with just using older Mark helmets, backpacks, and weapons from Standard Marines on Primaris bodies for the sake of "bigness"- with no real complaints from other players, only compliments. If these weaponry options were available for Marines with +1 Wound and +1 attack, and balanced accordingly with points and the like... I believe the transition could be smoother (and if all marines were rocking a Primaris Stat Line, I doubt people would gripe too much if someone put his classic Space Marines on the table).
I've no doubt GW will do a slow phase of changes to make all Marines Primaris- while doling out new units piecemeal until they up and officially say, "All Marines are now Primaris". It'd make them more money, and we'd probably go right along with it and eat it up while we complain about it.
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quickfuze wrote: Wraithknight at -45 doesnt solve the problem of it occupying a LoW slot....it needs to be a heavy support choice, period. Also if rhinos really go up 15 points to 91 when the impulsor is 79 that is just fething DO NOT CIRCUMVENT THE LANGUAGE FILTER - BROOKM
Do we know those leaks are accurate though?
If its only 5 things getting points adjustments seem bit meh..
However, I heard rumours star cannons will go up... Again seems BS but who knows.. This will affect a lot of builds if true.
45 pts drop certainly makes sword and board WK interesting imo… Distraction carnifex Dialled up to 12
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
quickfuze wrote: Also if rhinos really go up 15 points to 91 when the impulsor is 79 that is just fething DO NOT CIRCUMVENT THE LANGUAGE FILTER - BROOKM
I hate to be the doomsayer here, but I've been saying for quite some time that people shouldn't expect anything in terms of improving pre-Primaris Marines. I fully expect more and more OG Astartes units to get pushed toward the "Warhammer Legends" category that was mentioned and there won't be any real updates for them in terms of models or rules. I'm basing that off this Community article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/29/breaking-news-sisters-psykers-and-skeletonsgw-homepage-post-4/ (Down below all the fun stuff).
That being said, it's certainly GW's M.O. to push players towards buying the new shinies- even though many times, they're not very good at it because it does seem that they overestimate the effectiveness and practicality of some of their newer models (I don't think their playtesters are being very honest sometimes).
I actually believe- or at least, strongly hope that while all the old stuff will still be valid- there will be more options for our "Primaris Marines that will just be Space Marines from now on", because it's already pretty easy to kitbash older models with them, for the most part. I've already experimented with just using older Mark helmets, backpacks, and weapons from Standard Marines on Primaris bodies for the sake of "bigness"- with no real complaints from other players, only compliments. If these weaponry options were available for Marines with +1 Wound and +1 attack, and balanced accordingly with points and the like... I believe the transition could be smoother (and if all marines were rocking a Primaris Stat Line, I doubt people would gripe too much if someone put his classic Space Marines on the table).
I've no doubt GW will do a slow phase of changes to make all Marines Primaris- while doling out new units piecemeal until they up and officially say, "All Marines are now Primaris". It'd make them more money, and we'd probably go right along with it and eat it up while we complain about it.
As fun as this big wall of text is, Rhinos are 65pts before stormbolters, consistent with sister's prices.
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ERJAK wrote: As fun as this big wall of text is, Rhinos are 65pts before stormbolters, consistent with sister's prices.
Well, I try not to space it out too much- for sake of space. I should probably use spoiler tags a bit more.
But I was responding to the rumor of a potential points increase on Rhinos.
But now that you mention Sisters, Rhinos and that Chassis' Variants (and possibly even Land Raiders?) might always have a good spot in the Sororitas army. It'd be cool to ensure those units always have a place, and Tech-Sisters sounds... fun.
Get your mind out of the gutter, that is not what a Mechadendrite is for.
quickfuze wrote: Wraithknight at -45 doesnt solve the problem of it occupying a LoW slot....it needs to be a heavy support choice, period. Also if rhinos really go up 15 points to 91 when the impulsor is 79 that is just fething DO NOT CIRCUMVENT THE LANGUAGE FILTER - BROOKM
Supreme Command with Spiritseer, 2 wraithseers, wraithguard in a serpent and the wraithknight.
I was thinking skip the Wave Serpent and deep strike a big unit of Wraithblades, but yeah sup command isn't a liability by any means.
quickfuze wrote: Wraithknight at -45 doesnt solve the problem of it occupying a LoW slot....it needs to be a heavy support choice, period. Also if rhinos really go up 15 points to 91 when the impulsor is 79 that is just fething DO NOT CIRCUMVENT THE LANGUAGE FILTER - BROOKM
Why? If so why not the same for ik, ck, baneblades, etc?
I'm not attacking I'd just like to know why that particular 24 wound, t8, can fall back and still charge/shoot, still shoot heavy weapons at full bs after moving huge model gets to be heavy support while all the rest are low.
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quickfuze wrote: Also if rhinos really go up 15 points to 91 when the impulsor is 79 that is just fething DO NOT CIRCUMVENT THE LANGUAGE FILTER - BROOKM
I hate to be the doomsayer here, but I've been saying for quite some time that people shouldn't expect anything in terms of improving pre-Primaris Marines. I fully expect more and more OG Astartes units to get pushed toward the "Warhammer Legends" category that was mentioned and there won't be any real updates for them in terms of models or rules. I'm basing that off this Community article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/29/breaking-news-sisters-psykers-and-skeletonsgw-homepage-post-4/ (Down below all the fun stuff).
That being said, it's certainly GW's M.O. to push players towards buying the new shinies- even though many times, they're not very good at it because it does seem that they overestimate the effectiveness and practicality of some of their newer models (I don't think their playtesters are being very honest sometimes).
I actually believe- or at least, strongly hope that while all the old stuff will still be valid- there will be more options for our "Primaris Marines that will just be Space Marines from now on", because it's already pretty easy to kitbash older models with them, for the most part. I've already experimented with just using older Mark helmets, backpacks, and weapons from Standard Marines on Primaris bodies for the sake of "bigness"- with no real complaints from other players, only compliments. If these weaponry options were available for Marines with +1 Wound and +1 attack, and balanced accordingly with points and the like... I believe the transition could be smoother (and if all marines were rocking a Primaris Stat Line, I doubt people would gripe too much if someone put his classic Space Marines on the table).
I've no doubt GW will do a slow phase of changes to make all Marines Primaris- while doling out new units piecemeal until they up and officially say, "All Marines are now Primaris". It'd make them more money, and we'd probably go right along with it and eat it up while we complain about it.
As fun as this big wall of text is, Rhinos are 65pts before stormbolters, consistent with sister's prices.
Chaos Rhinos are not
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Let a billion souls burn in death than for one soul to bend knee to a false Emperor.....
"I am the punishment of God, had you not committed great sin, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you"
Brometheus wrote: This is precisely why they keep pushing publications on folks. Vigilus.. Faith n Fury.. People keep buying it.
Pull a Sonic the Hedgehog and tell em it's silly.
What's going to be funny is, they'll do 9th edition eventually. And when they do, if they release an Index... I'd laugh hysterically if people just flat-out ignored every book GW put out after that and made the Index the only source for tournaments and the like. If the tournaments stick to their guns, and run their tournaments their way and use an Index- what's the worst that can happen?
GW can throw a hissy fit, and threaten to quit "supporting" events- but really, what "support" are they lending tournaments- a thumbs up and a "good job for using our stuff"? This ain't an MMORPG, they can't unplug a server. They can't come and take away our toys and confiscate our Index. All they can do is try and release new shinies that only work if you have the special $50.00 book, and hope that people fold. A lot of people will, but as long as those competitive tournament organizers stick to the established standard and don't deviate from it and fold... all GW can do is be mad.
Nothing gained, nothing lost. They'll re-evaluate the way they push out rules after that, I assure you.
I dare say it. I DARE...
People could take something as simple as an Index, form a group and establish the uses, applications, variations, and modifications of the Index and run with it for years without GW so much as firing up Microsoft Word to write a single rule. Inquisitor, Necromunda, Mordheim, and multiple other games have functioned for years without GW shoving a brand new "essential supplements" into the game.
But then again, this is me thinking that for just a little while- the majority of the competitive crowd could set aside their eagerness to win and stick to principles to improve the game for everyone, and while there's a lot of them that are honest and good people... the top performers in the competitive crowd consistently get caught cheating just to win. So, I expect this to happen at some point where I get to have coffee with bigfoot while we watch the unicorns run though the fields where the little aliens park their UFO to drop off Elvis- and even then, I'd say it's unlikely to happen.
quickfuze wrote: Also if rhinos really go up 15 points to 91 when the impulsor is 79 that is just fething DO NOT CIRCUMVENT THE LANGUAGE FILTER - BROOKM
I hate to be the doomsayer here, but I've been saying for quite some time that people shouldn't expect anything in terms of improving pre-Primaris Marines. I fully expect more and more OG Astartes units to get pushed toward the "Warhammer Legends" category that was mentioned and there won't be any real updates for them in terms of models or rules. I'm basing that off this Community article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/29/breaking-news-sisters-psykers-and-skeletonsgw-homepage-post-4/ (Down below all the fun stuff).
That being said, it's certainly GW's M.O. to push players towards buying the new shinies- even though many times, they're not very good at it because it does seem that they overestimate the effectiveness and practicality of some of their newer models (I don't think their playtesters are being very honest sometimes).
I actually believe- or at least, strongly hope that while all the old stuff will still be valid- there will be more options for our "Primaris Marines that will just be Space Marines from now on", because it's already pretty easy to kitbash older models with them, for the most part. I've already experimented with just using older Mark helmets, backpacks, and weapons from Standard Marines on Primaris bodies for the sake of "bigness"- with no real complaints from other players, only compliments. If these weaponry options were available for Marines with +1 Wound and +1 attack, and balanced accordingly with points and the like... I believe the transition could be smoother (and if all marines were rocking a Primaris Stat Line, I doubt people would gripe too much if someone put his classic Space Marines on the table).
I've no doubt GW will do a slow phase of changes to make all Marines Primaris- while doling out new units piecemeal until they up and officially say, "All Marines are now Primaris". It'd make them more money, and we'd probably go right along with it and eat it up while we complain about it.
As fun as this big wall of text is, Rhinos are 65pts before stormbolters, consistent with sister's prices.
Chaos Rhinos are not
No they're currently 70 before the combi bolter. 99.9% probability when ca drops they'll be 65 before the combi bolter.
You figure out a good reason why a wraithknight should be in the heavy support slot yet?
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Brometheus wrote: This is precisely why they keep pushing publications on folks. Vigilus.. Faith n Fury.. People keep buying it.
Pull a Sonic the Hedgehog and tell em it's silly.
What's going to be funny is, they'll do 9th edition eventually. And when they do, if they release an Index... I'd laugh hysterically if people just flat-out ignored every book GW put out after that and made the Index the only source for tournaments and the like. If the tournaments stick to their guns, and run their tournaments their way and use an Index- what's the worst that can happen?
GW can throw a hissy fit, and threaten to quit "supporting" events- but really, what "support" are they lending tournaments- a thumbs up and a "good job for using our stuff"? This ain't an MMORPG, they can't unplug a server. They can't come and take away our toys and confiscate our Index. All they can do is try and release new shinies that only work if you have the special $50.00 book, and hope that people fold. A lot of people will, but as long as those competitive tournament organizers stick to the established standard and don't deviate from it and fold... all GW can do is be mad.
Nothing gained, nothing lost. They'll re-evaluate the way they push out rules after that, I assure you.
I dare say it. I DARE...
People could take something as simple as an Index, form a group and establish the uses, applications, variations, and modifications of the Index and run with it for years without GW so much as firing up Microsoft Word to write a single rule. Inquisitor, Necromunda, Mordheim, and multiple other games have functioned for years without GW shoving a brand new "essential supplements" into the game.
But then again, this is me thinking that for just a little while- the majority of the competitive crowd could set aside their eagerness to win and stick to principles to improve the game for everyone, and while there's a lot of them that are honest and good people... the top performers in the competitive crowd consistently get caught cheating just to win. So, I expect this to happen at some point where I get to have coffee with bigfoot while we watch the unicorns run though the fields where the little aliens park their UFO to drop off Elvis- and even then, I'd say it's unlikely to happen.
they're not going to put out an index for 9th edition, they put out an index as a quick stop gap to get people playing when 8th edition made such major changes to the game old codices where unusable. they did this during the 2nd ot 3rd change over too. other then that, all codices.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
quickfuze wrote: Also if rhinos really go up 15 points to 91 when the impulsor is 79 that is just fething DO NOT CIRCUMVENT THE LANGUAGE FILTER - BROOKM
I hate to be the doomsayer here, but I've been saying for quite some time that people shouldn't expect anything in terms of improving pre-Primaris Marines. I fully expect more and more OG Astartes units to get pushed toward the "Warhammer Legends" category that was mentioned and there won't be any real updates for them in terms of models or rules. I'm basing that off this Community article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/29/breaking-news-sisters-psykers-and-skeletonsgw-homepage-post-4/ (Down below all the fun stuff).
That being said, it's certainly GW's M.O. to push players towards buying the new shinies- even though many times, they're not very good at it because it does seem that they overestimate the effectiveness and practicality of some of their newer models (I don't think their playtesters are being very honest sometimes).
I actually believe- or at least, strongly hope that while all the old stuff will still be valid- there will be more options for our "Primaris Marines that will just be Space Marines from now on", because it's already pretty easy to kitbash older models with them, for the most part. I've already experimented with just using older Mark helmets, backpacks, and weapons from Standard Marines on Primaris bodies for the sake of "bigness"- with no real complaints from other players, only compliments. If these weaponry options were available for Marines with +1 Wound and +1 attack, and balanced accordingly with points and the like... I believe the transition could be smoother (and if all marines were rocking a Primaris Stat Line, I doubt people would gripe too much if someone put his classic Space Marines on the table).
I've no doubt GW will do a slow phase of changes to make all Marines Primaris- while doling out new units piecemeal until they up and officially say, "All Marines are now Primaris". It'd make them more money, and we'd probably go right along with it and eat it up while we complain about it.
As fun as this big wall of text is, Rhinos are 65pts before stormbolters, consistent with sister's prices.
Chaos Rhinos are not
No they're currently 70 before the combi bolter. 99.9% probability when ca drops they'll be 65 before the combi bolter.
You figure out a good reason why a wraithknight should be in the heavy support slot yet?
You mean other than it lacks the survivability AND firepower of every other comparable LoW AND costs about 25-33% more. Litterally only way to run one is sword and board just to get the invul same that a rampager knight gets for free
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Let a billion souls burn in death than for one soul to bend knee to a false Emperor.....
"I am the punishment of God, had you not committed great sin, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you"
You mean other than it lacks the survivability AND firepower of every other comparable LoW AND costs about 25-33% more. Litterally only way to run one is sword and board just to get the invul same that a rampager knight gets for free
Yeah, but all the Imperial/Chaos Knights in close combat loadout get a bonus attack and a better Weapon Skill just for showing up. The Wraithknight doesn't. Not to mention Imperial/Chaos get free 3 CP if they take 3 of them in a super-heavy detachment. Wraithknights don't.
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Just a sort of tangent here, but worth consideration-
CA is an annual compilation of updates and rules and point values, etc. That's all fine and good. They're doing the same thing with Kill Team and Blackstone Fortress, apparently.
...any reason why there hasn't been something like a compiled book of nothing but missions/scenarios for 40k? Like, maybe a variety of Matched/Open/Narrative play mission in one big book?
quickfuze wrote: Also if rhinos really go up 15 points to 91 when the impulsor is 79 that is just fething DO NOT CIRCUMVENT THE LANGUAGE FILTER - BROOKM
I hate to be the doomsayer here, but I've been saying for quite some time that people shouldn't expect anything in terms of improving pre-Primaris Marines. I fully expect more and more OG Astartes units to get pushed toward the "Warhammer Legends" category that was mentioned and there won't be any real updates for them in terms of models or rules. I'm basing that off this Community article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/29/breaking-news-sisters-psykers-and-skeletonsgw-homepage-post-4/ (Down below all the fun stuff).
That being said, it's certainly GW's M.O. to push players towards buying the new shinies- even though many times, they're not very good at it because it does seem that they overestimate the effectiveness and practicality of some of their newer models (I don't think their playtesters are being very honest sometimes).
I actually believe- or at least, strongly hope that while all the old stuff will still be valid- there will be more options for our "Primaris Marines that will just be Space Marines from now on", because it's already pretty easy to kitbash older models with them, for the most part. I've already experimented with just using older Mark helmets, backpacks, and weapons from Standard Marines on Primaris bodies for the sake of "bigness"- with no real complaints from other players, only compliments. If these weaponry options were available for Marines with +1 Wound and +1 attack, and balanced accordingly with points and the like... I believe the transition could be smoother (and if all marines were rocking a Primaris Stat Line, I doubt people would gripe too much if someone put his classic Space Marines on the table).
I've no doubt GW will do a slow phase of changes to make all Marines Primaris- while doling out new units piecemeal until they up and officially say, "All Marines are now Primaris". It'd make them more money, and we'd probably go right along with it and eat it up while we complain about it.
As fun as this big wall of text is, Rhinos are 65pts before stormbolters, consistent with sister's prices.
Chaos Rhinos are not
No they're currently 70 before the combi bolter. 99.9% probability when ca drops they'll be 65 before the combi bolter.
You figure out a good reason why a wraithknight should be in the heavy support slot yet?
You mean other than it lacks the survivability AND firepower of every other comparable LoW AND costs about 25-33% more. Litterally only way to run one is sword and board just to get the invul same that a rampager knight gets for free
Wraithknights are considerably cheaper than baneblade chassis and way cheaper than fellblade chassis and neither one of those have a way to get that invul through points/equipment. Same goes for stompas.
Imperial/chaos knights are maybe a little under costed or other low are over costed but anything with 20+ wounds and t8 or greater should be low.
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quickfuze wrote: Also if rhinos really go up 15 points to 91 when the impulsor is 79 that is just fething DO NOT CIRCUMVENT THE LANGUAGE FILTER - BROOKM
I hate to be the doomsayer here, but I've been saying for quite some time that people shouldn't expect anything in terms of improving pre-Primaris Marines. I fully expect more and more OG Astartes units to get pushed toward the "Warhammer Legends" category that was mentioned and there won't be any real updates for them in terms of models or rules. I'm basing that off this Community article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/29/breaking-news-sisters-psykers-and-skeletonsgw-homepage-post-4/ (Down below all the fun stuff).
That being said, it's certainly GW's M.O. to push players towards buying the new shinies- even though many times, they're not very good at it because it does seem that they overestimate the effectiveness and practicality of some of their newer models (I don't think their playtesters are being very honest sometimes).
I actually believe- or at least, strongly hope that while all the old stuff will still be valid- there will be more options for our "Primaris Marines that will just be Space Marines from now on", because it's already pretty easy to kitbash older models with them, for the most part. I've already experimented with just using older Mark helmets, backpacks, and weapons from Standard Marines on Primaris bodies for the sake of "bigness"- with no real complaints from other players, only compliments. If these weaponry options were available for Marines with +1 Wound and +1 attack, and balanced accordingly with points and the like... I believe the transition could be smoother (and if all marines were rocking a Primaris Stat Line, I doubt people would gripe too much if someone put his classic Space Marines on the table).
I've no doubt GW will do a slow phase of changes to make all Marines Primaris- while doling out new units piecemeal until they up and officially say, "All Marines are now Primaris". It'd make them more money, and we'd probably go right along with it and eat it up while we complain about it.
As fun as this big wall of text is, Rhinos are 65pts before stormbolters, consistent with sister's prices.
Chaos Rhinos are not
No they're currently 70 before the combi bolter. 99.9% probability when ca drops they'll be 65 before the combi bolter.
You figure out a good reason why a wraithknight should be in the heavy support slot yet?
You mean other than it lacks the survivability AND firepower of every other comparable LoW AND costs about 25-33% more. Litterally only way to run one is sword and board just to get the invul same that a rampager knight gets for free
So at the new points a naked sword wraith knight is 330 points. That is 80 points fewer than my kytan who has the same profile but 2 wounds less. Admittedly it has a ranged weapon and can regen 1 wound a turn, but I doubt it is worth an 80 point gap.
On no world should a 24 wound t8 model with a 3+/5++ be anything less than a lord of war.
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Maybe 9E should be written by the community instead of GW... perks include never paying for rules update, having complete control over the rules instead of hoping GW takes a step in the right direction, not ever being forced by GW to buy the newest toy to be competitive, and less moaning and groaning about GW not knowing what it’s doing. Start with core rules, find out how to scratch everyone’s itch for how to represent the tactical depth of a conflict, then core rules for armies, then start adding legion tactics, and what not...
Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. -Kurt Vonnegut
Glad to see the points drop on CSM, I really like to include such basic infantry units in my armies. I wonder if the rumours about Daemon Engines getting cheaper are true as well, sound almost too nice to be true.
Drukhari - 4.7k
Space Marines - 3.1k
Chaos Space Marines - 2.9k
Harlequins - 0.9k
macluvin wrote: Maybe 9E should be written by the community instead of GW... perks include never paying for rules update, having complete control over the rules instead of hoping GW takes a step in the right direction, not ever being forced by GW to buy the newest toy to be competitive, and less moaning and groaning about GW not knowing what it’s doing. Start with core rules, find out how to scratch everyone’s itch for how to represent the tactical depth of a conflict, then core rules for armies, then start adding legion tactics, and what not...
I don't think a committee of people who can't even agree if a Wraith Knight should be a LOW are going to make much headway designing a system to cover 30+ years of model releases with a massive variety of lore and model design to represent, 8th isn't perfect but does a pretty good job all things considered. Move to online living rulebooks and it would be great as number of rule sources is my biggest complaint.
Wraith Knight should be a LOW, all day long, every day ;-)
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macluvin wrote: Maybe 9E should be written by the community instead of GW... perks include never paying for rules update, having complete control over the rules instead of hoping GW takes a step in the right direction, not ever being forced by GW to buy the newest toy to be competitive, and less moaning and groaning about GW not knowing what it’s doing. Start with core rules, find out how to scratch everyone’s itch for how to represent the tactical depth of a conflict, then core rules for armies, then start adding legion tactics, and what not...
Not really.
The game actually was in a really good spot over the summer, pre-Marines Codex. Not perfect, certainly. Chaos was probably too strong, but stuff like GSC, Eldar, Tau, Knights, Custodes, Necrons and Orks were all competing and winning events.
Sure, Marines (incl. Blood Angels, Space Wolves, etc.. as well as Tyranids and Harlequins) needed a bit of a boost to bring them into the competition. And Eldar/Necrons/Tau, while competitive, were (are) stuck in a stale mono-build with most of the Codex being trash.
But overall, the diversity was the best it's ever been in my memory. Overall lethality IMO could've gone down a bit to negate the need for silly terrain, and there was room for gradual improvement. But ultimately, they pissed away a pretty good game with Nu-Marines.
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quickfuze wrote: Also if rhinos really go up 15 points to 91 when the impulsor is 79 that is just fething DO NOT CIRCUMVENT THE LANGUAGE FILTER - BROOKM
I hate to be the doomsayer here, but I've been saying for quite some time that people shouldn't expect anything in terms of improving pre-Primaris Marines. I fully expect more and more OG Astartes units to get pushed toward the "Warhammer Legends" category that was mentioned and there won't be any real updates for them in terms of models or rules. I'm basing that off this Community article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/29/breaking-news-sisters-psykers-and-skeletonsgw-homepage-post-4/ (Down below all the fun stuff).
That being said, it's certainly GW's M.O. to push players towards buying the new shinies- even though many times, they're not very good at it because it does seem that they overestimate the effectiveness and practicality of some of their newer models (I don't think their playtesters are being very honest sometimes).
I actually believe- or at least, strongly hope that while all the old stuff will still be valid- there will be more options for our "Primaris Marines that will just be Space Marines from now on", because it's already pretty easy to kitbash older models with them, for the most part. I've already experimented with just using older Mark helmets, backpacks, and weapons from Standard Marines on Primaris bodies for the sake of "bigness"- with no real complaints from other players, only compliments. If these weaponry options were available for Marines with +1 Wound and +1 attack, and balanced accordingly with points and the like... I believe the transition could be smoother (and if all marines were rocking a Primaris Stat Line, I doubt people would gripe too much if someone put his classic Space Marines on the table).
I've no doubt GW will do a slow phase of changes to make all Marines Primaris- while doling out new units piecemeal until they up and officially say, "All Marines are now Primaris". It'd make them more money, and we'd probably go right along with it and eat it up while we complain about it.
As fun as this big wall of text is, Rhinos are 65pts before stormbolters, consistent with sister's prices.
Chaos Rhinos are not
No they're currently 70 before the combi bolter. 99.9% probability when ca drops they'll be 65 before the combi bolter.
You figure out a good reason why a wraithknight should be in the heavy support slot yet?
You mean other than it lacks the survivability AND firepower of every other comparable LoW AND costs about 25-33% more.
The Stompa says hi.
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E - gonna share this here too, since it's relevant;
I've done a bit of research and it looks as though Orks are the only faction not to have any points changes in Chapter Approved 2019. The points changes seem organised in alphabetical order and it goes from 'Necrons' to 'Officio Assassinorum' to 'Sisters of Silence' (on the same page).
I don't think I can link pics to the leaks here but just search "blood of kittens chapter approved leaks compilation" and you'll find it.
What the actual feth? Are GW actively trying to ostracise their own player base now?
Ignore spoiler - wrong year.
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Eldar- 4436 pts
Let a billion souls burn in death than for one soul to bend knee to a false Emperor.....
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