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So the necron pts changes were leaked, most units got pts drops.

can't post the images but its on /r/warhammercompetitive


Named Characters

Anrakyr down 167 to 149

Deceiver down 225 to 180

Nightbringer down 180 to 155

Illuminor Szeras down 120 to 110

Imhotekh down 160 to 140

Nemesor Zahndrekh down 150 to 125

Orikan the Diviner down 115 to 100

Trazyn no change 90 to 90

Vargard Obyron down 125 to 115

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Generic HQs

CCB W/Gauss Cannon+SoL down 155 to 135

Cryptek W/SoL no change

Destroyer Lord w/SoL down 120 to 105

Lord down w/SoL 75 to 65

Overlord down w/SoL 94 to 80

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Troops

Immortals no change

Warriors no change

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Elites

Deathmarks down 17 to 14

Flayed Ones down 17 to 13

Lychguard w/ Sword 'n Board down 28 to 26 ??

Lychguard w/ Warscythe down 28 to 26 ??

Triarch Praetorians w/ Rod down 26 to 20

Triarch Praetorians w/ Sword and Pistol down 26 to 20 ??

Triarch Stalker w/ Heat Ray down 125 to 113

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Fast Attack

Canoptek Scarabs no change

Canoptek Wraiths down 48 to 42

Destroyers no change

Tomb Blades down 28 to 21

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Dedicated Transports

Ghost Ark down 145 to 120

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Heavy Support

Annihilation Barge down 120 to 110

Canoptek Spyders down 65 to 45

Doomsday Ark no change

Heavy Destroyers down 50 to 37

Monolith down 320 to 300

Transcendent C'tan down 200 to 180

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Flyers

Doom Scythe no change

Night Scythe down 135 to 115

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Lords of War

Obelisk down 380 to 350

Tesseract Vault no change

Nice to see noting going up, and my current list will lose 1 warrior and gain that 6th Destroyer.

Now to see some T'au leaks being as good.

Yep lol those necron warriors are definitely worth more than a space marine.

What with their 4+ armor, no bolter drill, no shock assault, no doctrines, no atsknf, slower movement, no special or heavy weapon options, way worse chapter tactics, etc.

But if your opponent (somehow in a game if 8th edition 40k) doesn't wipe out the unit and they don't just fail their morale and run they get back up on a FIVE PLUS!!!!!

Would have liked warriors to go 10pts but this is fine if correct. Anrakyr finally cost appropriate

Tomb Blades dropping 7pts seems like the big win here. Wraiths too.

HQs all dropping is also nice, though bizzare that crypteks didn't drop. They have a 4+ save and 1 attack, they should not be 80pts.

Lol at the token Monolith and Obelisk drops. Keep going guys. Both need to be close to 200pts to be worth considering.

Nothing game changing here, we're still ass tier. Just ass tier that can field a few different units.

Weirdly I think combat necrons seems to be the best build coming off the back of this.

Did Tomb Blades drop? They're still 28 with 2x guns.

The Stompa is the worst LoW of all game hands down.
T8 40W 3+ means 23 points a W
And about 9 W vs knight in shooting

Hmmm I have a feeling that whoever wrote the decrease amount didn't factor in weapons costs

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
Did Tomb Blades drop? They're still 28 with 2x guns.

Yeah, crap. Looks like the above poster didn't account for them have two guns. Well there goes that dream. Combat crons it is.

 Emicrania wrote:
The Stompa is the worst LoW of all game hands down.
T8 40W 3+ means 23 points a W
And about 9 W vs knight in shooting

the stompa is probably the worst GW model in the game right now, theres no point in repeating it over and over again, nobody is arguing against it.

I fully expect it to get a hefty pts drop, we'll see when the orks pts changes get leaked


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deTox91 wrote:
Hmmm I have a feeling that whoever wrote the decrease amount didn't factor in weapons costs

the actual picture is on the subreddit i linked, i dont play necrons and copypasted from a comment there.

If everything gets points drops...nothing does. Personally I’d like to see at least some stuff (anything, really) get points hikes to stop the stealth-creep to 2500 pt games.

Honestly, having looked this over it does precisely nothing to help Necrons climb the tier list. All it does is drag up some of our worse variant lists to the level of our better lists.

So top marks for internal balance I guess. But yeah, Necrons still suck ass.

Yeah, I'm not seeing any big changes that will push Necrons to be able to compete with any of the other books. Especially since a lot of their core units didn't see any changes. Another miss.

 greyknight12 wrote:
If everything gets points drops...nothing does. Personally I’d like to see at least some stuff (anything, really) get points hikes to stop the stealth-creep to 2500 pt games.

Quoted for truth.

 greyknight12 wrote:
If everything gets points drops...nothing does. Personally I’d like to see at least some stuff (anything, really) get points hikes to stop the stealth-creep to 2500 pt games.

Well, Marines play 2000 and everyone else gets 2500 points would be the obvious stop-gap until point changes in Chapter Approved 2020

But I suppose people (or at least TOs) like to go the tedious route.

That said, remember GW's flagship matched play events play 1750 by default, as well as some 1000 points tournament series. Nobody there plays 2000 points since about 2017.

still no notes yet about IG or Custodes that aren't FW? at this rate so much is getting reduced i have to agree- the best the factions that haven't been shown can hope for on the whole is to break even.

At this point i feel like to many units have gotten points drops.
Some of them even outright questonable.

 greyknight12 wrote:
If everything gets points drops...nothing does. Personally I’d like to see at least some stuff (anything, really) get points hikes to stop the stealth-creep to 2500 pt games.

We know the CHE & Razorwing went up as well as Plaguebearers. I do agree that if everything goes down, than "what's the point?", but I think a good approach would be this:
About 40-50% of total units get a decrease
About 10-15% get an increase
The remaining greater than 40-50% total units stay the same

If they stay within those parameters, subtle changes will have a decent impact.

My personal hope is that the Munitorum Field Manual being produced THIS year, and not in CA2017 or CA2018 indicates a sort of "final" settling of points
Almost all factions have been updated since 8E dropped and I believe all Indexes are now invalid (save certain unit/wargear options we all assume will soon become "Legends")
So CA2019 can come with an appendix of all points costs and it's unlikely much will change until 9E, or at the very least only about a half dozen changes for CA2020

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Bdrone wrote:
still no notes yet about IG or Custodes that aren't FW? at this rate so much is getting reduced i have to agree- the best the factions that haven't been shown can hope for on the whole is to break even.

I am seriously wondering if this works out to the favour of us the players or just to bring the game up to stealth 2500 pts.
Considering that Sorcerers are now 80 Pts? which is just daft imo as a chaos player

Edit:
I'd also love to see what happens with the FW index armies.

Not Online!!! wrote:
At this point i feel like to many units have gotten points drops.
Some of them even outright questonable.

This is definitely starting to feel like just inflating the scale of the game, as opposed to careful balancing. Looking at a 2000 point army from the start of 8th and seeing how much it would be worth now shows a pretty huge difference...

GW need to reinflate points values eventually. The bottom end of the scale in particular already feels very, very crowded with little room for nuance.

If those Necron leaks are true, they made Tomb Blades > Immortals into Tomb Blades >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Immortals.

 Burnage wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
At this point i feel like to many units have gotten points drops.
Some of them even outright questonable.

This is definitely starting to feel like just inflating the scale of the game, as opposed to careful balancing. Looking at a 2000 point army from the start of 8th and seeing how much it would be worth now shows a pretty huge difference...

GW need to reinflate points values eventually. The bottom end of the scale in particular already feels very, very crowded with little room for nuance.

Bah gawd, that's the 9th ed music!

By the way, Necrons deserved a point drop but it's not going to be enough to change the list meta imho. Needless to say, it's not going to make them competitive since most other armies are receiving a drop as well.

 Burnage wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
At this point i feel like to many units have gotten points drops.
Some of them even outright questonable.

This is definitely starting to feel like just inflating the scale of the game, as opposed to careful balancing. Looking at a 2000 point army from the start of 8th and seeing how much it would be worth now shows a pretty huge difference...

GW need to reinflate points values eventually. The bottom end of the scale in particular already feels very, very crowded with little room for nuance.

The bottom was broken since the start of 8th:
with grotz 3 ppm. Militia even tough worse then conscripts and IG at 4ppm and cultists at 5 ppm even though worse then IS.

 VladimirHerzog wrote:
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Troops

Immortals no change

Warriors no change

Bleh. Immortals are in sorry state these days, gauss version being particularly bad. And warriors are very bad. So tesla immortal tax continues and other troop options stay junk.

Deathmarks down 17 to 14

Flayed Ones down 17 to 13

Neither come viable.

Lychguard w/ Sword 'n Board down 28 to 26 ??

Lychguard w/ Warscythe down 28 to 26 ??

Nice though still too expensive. But less wasted points in casual games.

Canoptek Wraiths down 48 to 42

Destroyers no change

Tomb Blades down 28 to 21

Nice though destroyers should go down and stratagem go up.


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Ghost Ark down 145 to 120

With warriors junk irrelevant. Unless the ark chassis with gauss flayer is alone worth 120 pts.

Heavy Destroyers down 50 to 37

If it applies to regular squadron upgrades yey.

Monolith down 320 to 300

GW must be joking right? Need way more than that. Starting with new datasheet to fix the mechanical problems points don't solve.

Night Scythe down 135 to 115

Whole necron transport system needs overhaul to be worth it. Core issue not solvable with points.

Nice but alas doesn't really change internal balance. Optimal list stays same. Just bit more stuff. Bad units are still bad.


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 Burnage wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
At this point i feel like to many units have gotten points drops.
Some of them even outright questonable.

This is definitely starting to feel like just inflating the scale of the game, as opposed to careful balancing. Looking at a 2000 point army from the start of 8th and seeing how much it would be worth now shows a pretty huge difference...

GW need to reinflate points values eventually. The bottom end of the scale in particular already feels very, very crowded with little room for nuance.

Well gee no kidding. CA point chanes are precisely motivated by sales, not balane. Been so from the get-go

No Forge World points, reeeeeeee.

I know it's only like, 192 hours until it launches, but it's too long!

 Burnage wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
At this point i feel like to many units have gotten points drops.
Some of them even outright questonable.

This is definitely starting to feel like just inflating the scale of the game, as opposed to careful balancing. Looking at a 2000 point army from the start of 8th and seeing how much it would be worth now shows a pretty huge difference...

GW need to reinflate points values eventually. The bottom end of the scale in particular already feels very, very crowded with little room for nuance.

I don’t think they care enough. If there wasn’t stubborn demand from tourney folks, GW would just as well drop points and stick with power levels.

 Crazyterran wrote:
No Forge World points, reeeeeeee.

I know it's only like, 192 hours until it launches, but it's too long!

yeah, i really want to see the Aeldari FW stuff get some point drops.

Primaris have to go up. The rest need point adjustment. Either they do it, either we start to play smaller army.

 Emicrania wrote:
Primaris have to go up. The rest need point adjustment. Either they do it, either we start to play smaller army.

I don't agree the Primaris HAVE to go up. Maybe a 1-2ppm increase for Intercessors would be fine, but it's hardly needed.
But I 100% agree with you that everyone should stop playing 2000pts and jump down to 1750pts or even 1500pts as standard

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Orksies pleeeeeeez! I’ll keep annoying everyone until I get me leaks!