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I'll be frank and say that even though I have a nice sized death army, I would quit AoS if they kicked out Cities of Sigmar, my second army, I would not play the game. The book for that itself while having good rules is sparse with details and lore and feels so TM that there is barely any unique named units to model besides the color swap on the different cities.

This was a chance for the world of AoS to be further fleshed out and it missed the mark.

I think the community embrace of that book will save it. It does seem like a stopgap for the lost toys but the amazing armies it's inspired are a real triumph of the open narrative of AoS.

I could see it changing form over the years getting new fantastical kits (possibly even inspired by the more impressive community creations) and having the legacy kits retired or moved over to TOW if the game is compatible.

chaos0xomega wrote:
To my knowledge at least two of the toy lines you just mentioned are actually completely new sets of molds designed to look like the originals but with slight modifications to the design. The Masters of the Universe Origins line of action figures (which I assume you are referring to) feature 16 points of articulation.... the originals from the 80s only had 6.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/mattel-is-bringing-back-the-original-vintage-he-man-fig-1836426928

Likewise the Transformers Vintage Reissues aren't actual reissues of the original. They are mostly based on modified variants of the early 2000s era Transformers Collection toys, but modified to meet modern toy safety standards and to try to more exactly duplicate the look of the originals. Transformers do one of these reissues every 10 years or so with a new set of redesigned/re-engineered toys designed to look like the originals. The last time Transformers definitively reissued the toys straight from the original molds was the Classics release in 1991 for the Asia/Pacific market - but even then they had re-engineered the tooling prior to the release in order to make some modifications to the designs (mainly in order to omit the rubsigns and to block out the original date and location of manufacture). There was another reissue from the original molds in the mid 2000s as part of the Takara Collectors Edition but they were mixed with non-original redecoes and some of the supposedly original reissues appear to be modified in various minor ways. Likewise, the late 2000s Gen One Commemmorative Series also had similar shenanigans going on. Anyway, point is, unless you're referring to another reissue series I'm unaware of, the Transformers line also isn't reissues from the original molds.

A quick google search suggests that the GI Joe Retro Collection figures fall in the same category as the above - new toys from new molds designed to look like the old ones:

https://bleedingcool.com/collectibles/gi-joe-hasbro-retro-collection/

"These 3.75-inch figure stays true to that iconic first line of figures but features some new design and detail. Three solo figures were announced and the return of a classic GI Joe vehicle. Destro, Roadblock, and Scarlett return once again all with updated mold and corresponding accessories."

Generally speaking, toy reissues are rarely "actual" reissues, whereas model kit reissues really depend on the kit and the manufacturer. Aurora kit reissues, for example, are always (or almost always, there might be an exception I don't know of) from the original molds. Revell/Monogram reissues can be hit or miss, since they had molds for the same kits in different places for different markets that sometimes had differences and were sometimes identical. The reissue you're buying in these cases may be from *an* original mold but not necessarily *the* original mold, nor even the same mold that produced the kit that you bought as a kid. Revell (IIRC) also had a tendency to recut their molds for reissue as new product as well - Revells Flipper the Dolphin kit was recut into Ensign Darwin the Dolphin from Seaquest, for example, rather than making an entirely new set of molds for it.

So, I think you kinda torpedoed your own argument there, at least to some extent. The AMT kit is, in fact, the same set of molds from the 70s, so you got that going for ya, but a number of the other AMT reissues are not.

The Masters of the Universe reissues happened in the early to mid 2,000s with a short release during the turn of the millennium.

https://www.he-man.org/collecting/toycollection.php?id=5

So yes, they did a straight reprint of the toys. Was the plastic identical? Possibly not. But the exact molds were used.

One "torpedo" down...

Now Transformers? That one's near and dear to my heart as I've been collecting them since the beginning of the 90's. The Transformers Commemorative reissues, which tied in with the Takara book reissues a, only altered molds that were damaged or necessitated a change for safety regulation changes. For instance, the changes made to the Starscream mold were relegated to the missiles, while the Srstscream in Japan came with retooled accessories, including a Prime fist that could hold the small gun Megatron accessory.

Regardless, the original molds WERE used, even if repair work had to be done.

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_Transformers_Collection

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_Transformers:_Generation_One_Commemorative_Series

Another torpedo bites the dust.

Now GIJoe was a stickier wicket as the figures were indeed new molds. The vehicles, however, straight repressing.

https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2020/07/hasbro-unveils-the-g-i-joe-retro-collection-action-figure-line/

Is it still a 30 year old mold dusted off with fresh copies rerun, verifying that the notion is at least POSSIBLE with old GW kits?

Damn, no torpedoes hit...

Ultimately it comes down to how many molds GW held onto and I'd they still have the machines that run those particular plates. If they DO have the dies, then reissues are minimal investment releases.

Do you think they scrapped the molds for square bases?

 BlackoCatto wrote:
I'll be frank and say that even though I have a nice sized death army, I would quit AoS if they kicked out Cities of Sigmar, my second army, I would not play the game. The book for that itself while having good rules is sparse with details and lore and feels so TM that there is barely any unique named units to model besides the color swap on the different cities.

This was a chance for the world of AoS to be further fleshed out and it missed the mark.

I disagree. I found it to be extremely good for setting up the lore of the various cities, how they interacted with each other and the threats around them and especially how the various races interact and deal with each other on a daily basis.

I disagree as well. I see the setting of AoS still more a trampoline of attraction, bouncing the 12 year old off and possibly breaking their financial arm.

Well, I think it's somehow going into be rank and file minis.
Like, GW has two large Battle games(AOS and 40k) several skirmish, it has a dogfight one, a sport one, someday BFG will come out and be their naval game, they have their giant monster game.
Really the only one they are missing is rank and file, and they may want their piece of pie for it.
My guess is still 10mm

We're all grownups here, we know there's only a few ways this can play out. From my chair in beautiful sunny Cairo in year of our Lord 2021 I see some general directions that are realistic:

Big launch - 5-6 factions, multiple kits for each taking about a year for the first wave. Basically a Sisters of Battle level launch every two months for a year. It would suck up a lot of shelf space in stores, a lot of time and release windows, not to mention molding and development costs. All of which are resources that could go into a big Imperial Guard relaunch This would be a tremendous gamble and I'm not too sure it's likely.

Small launch - 2 factions (or just one if the Empire civil war is the direction) and a few kits on a limited release.

Rerelease - A few new kits, maybe Kislev and Chaos for a the starter, but most of the game is a rerelease of old Fantasy kits, most probably mail order only. This is a safer bet, but as others have noted a lot of the OOP kits are showing their age and new kits is what drives sales.

Something different - Mordheim, Warmaster, Man O War whatever. This would feel like a bait and switch to a lot of fans, but might bring in new players who don't have a whole closet to devote to a new game and want something that will fit in a shoe box.

Vaporware - This almost a conspiracy theory idea, that GW is just throwing some stuff out there to scare off competitors or generate buzz. And will or won't follow up depending on what they hear.

I hope we finally get some new Skaven.
They need a big revamp.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
We're all grownups here, we know there's only a few ways this can play out. From my chair in beautiful sunny Cairo in year of our Lord 2021 I see some general directions that are realistic:

Big launch - 5-6 factions, multiple kits for each taking about a year for the first wave. Basically a Sisters of Battle level launch every two months for a year. It would suck up a lot of shelf space in stores, a lot of time and release windows, not to mention molding and development costs. All of which are resources that could go into a big Imperial Guard relaunch This would be a tremendous gamble and I'm not too sure it's likely.

Small launch - 2 factions (or just one if the Empire civil war is the direction) and a few kits on a limited release.

Rerelease - A few new kits, maybe Kislev and Chaos for a the starter, but most of the game is a rerelease of old Fantasy kits, most probably mail order only. This is a safer bet, but as others have noted a lot of the OOP kits are showing their age and new kits is what drives sales.

Something different - Mordheim, Warmaster, Man O War whatever. This would feel like a bait and switch to a lot of fans, but might bring in new players who don't have a whole closet to devote to a new game and want something that will fit in a shoe box.

Vaporware - This almost a conspiracy theory idea, that GW is just throwing some stuff out there to scare off competitors or generate buzz. And will or won't follow up depending on what they hear.

There is a notable loop hole here, and that is by going back in time in the warhammer universe they not only change the settings, but the aesthetics of the soldiers. It's much easier to see many of the humans being able to use a common "men at arms" style box that has rather generically styled infantry and cavalry to form a core all the human factions buy from.

That is after all, the best true analogy to the Horus heresy: A small number of kits that most player's factions will be buying, plus upgrade kits.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Rerelease - A few new kits, maybe Kislev and Chaos for a the starter, but most of the game is a rerelease of old Fantasy kits, most probably mail order only. This is a safer bet, but as others have noted a lot of the OOP kits are showing their age and new kits is what drives sales.

Something along these lines feels like the most likely, and there are a bunch of variants possible.

Some ranges or kits may return to production as normal. If they can still sell 20-year old Skaven Night Runners or VC Zombies, there is no reason they couldn't bring back figures that are only 10 years old and much better looking.

A starter set would likely contain updated/new figures indeed, although even that isn't a given - the latest Middle-earth starter had exactly 2 new figures, and was mainly just a very financially attractive set of figures that were still kind of nice anyway. Seemed pretty popular with existing and new players alike. Those two possibilities would of course make it focus on two very different pairs of armies: either those in need of an update, or those with some of the best looking existing core units around. It could even be a combination of existing figures and some new ones. Even disregarding this aspect, what armies would indeed be the most iconic to put in such a set, or which would be the most exciting to draw in the players? For instance, Kislev would be a very interesting choice, with some fairly iconic units despite never being a major part of the game. Maybe fighting against new Norse Marauders? Could even see the inclusion of the recent Warriors/Knights of Chaos, but not sure how well those would rank up on square bases... On the other hand, simply reprinting Island of Blood might sell fine too (the Elves are nice, the Rat Ogres still better than the current lot), but that wouldn't inspire much confidence in the new game, so I'm expecting 100% new.

They may also simply create temporary rules for the old factions (like they did at the start of AoS) for people with existing collections to use, then slowly release the new figures (and/or re-release some of the old ones). To what extent the "no model = no rules" idea applies is fairly inconsistent with GW, before anyone brings that up. My Sisters of Battle codex may not feature anything GW doesn't produce (down to the exact wargear options on the Canoness), but my Necromunda and Middle-earth books contain all kinds of things for which no models exist or appear to be in the pipeline any time soon.

In addition to the above, they can do made-to-order waves for different armies. GW likes limited releases, and it seems a practical way to go about it. A bunch of kits every month, probably focussing on 1 or a few factions at a time, with 2-3 waves covering everything you need for an army. Less financial risk for GW, more sales as the limited time period will drive people to buy for fear of missing out later. This strategy isn't mutually exclusive with the above, just like they re-release old Blood Bowl teams temporarily when the plastic replacements are due at some point, but not soon.


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On an unrelated note, a little reference to someone in the Model of the Year page on WarCom:

Returning to the galaxy with cold ambition in his eyes, Szarekh, The Silent King made his entrance known to the world with the stunningly ornate Dais of Dominion as his chariot.*


* A certain imperishable Tomb King would approve.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/12/31/model-of-the-year-2020-the-results/

Thinking about it, a starter set with new Tomb Kings infantry/cavalry/chariots would be great (simply re-releasing the newer big critters alongside them for a pretty complete range already). Imagine them against Bretonnia, the two original dropped armies. That'd be quite the relaunch.

Id be very very surprised if they re-release the old kits. A lot of them look terrible compared to new ones. My hope is that we at least have 4 armies at release, cause otherwise, this will get very boring very soon

Carlovonsexron wrote:

That is after all, the best true analogy to the Horus heresy: A small number of kits that most player's factions will be buying, plus upgrade kits.

I think people are reading into the Horus Heresy statement a bit much. They probably just meant it as, "it's set in the past" and no real connotations beyond that.

As for what's out at launch, I do think we'll get shared Empire armies to start with, followed in the future by unique units and upgrade kits to differ them from the other States/Emperors/whatever. But I don't necessarily think it will be Empire vs Empire in a starter box, as Greenskins vs Empire and Warriors of Chaos vs Empire is such an iconic image to the franchise. Kislev vs WoC keeps the 'good guy human' side of the box and the iconic Warriors of Chaos featuring. Remember that this isn't 40k/30 - the Empire was popular, but High Elves and Warriors of Chaos were arguably more so, and WHFB never had the 'dominantly most popular' thing Space Marines/the Imperium does in 40k.

That said, I do think it will only be a small number of factions to start with - definitely the Empire, maybe Kislev, maybe Greenskins, maybe Chaos - but they will rather quickly move to introduce others. My logic behind this is we know GW has been pushing for a very intense release schedule, because they know keeping up momentum and not giving the customers (especially whales) time to 'think', just see the New Shiny and buy one. Release multiple, large ranges all at once and chances are the impulse buyers will pick one and stick to it. Release several over a short-to-medium timeframe and "Oh wow I just started painting my Imperials, but those Bretonnians look too cool to resist!" repeat until the basic range is fleshed out over several years.

I could see them also doing something akin to Indexes, wherein you get very basic 'Legends' rules for the 8th edition ranges and using your old models until the new stuff lands and completely supersedes it.

+++Total speculation inbound+++

> There will be a massive, beautifully presented, *expensive* “Ravening Hordes” book as part of the initial release that will include nearly all the rules and points etc. for players to use their existing armies. The lists will be generic enough, and may not even include named characters from the World That Was (because different timeline), and they will be notably underpowered compared to the new hotness. There *may* be lists for current AoS armies too

> Any re-releases of old figures/kits will be very limited, or strictly made-to-order

> heavy focus on new armies. My guess is Kislev vs. Norse raiders in the initial launch, perhaps different sets of factions every 6 months or so to go with specific campaign books.

> New models WILL come with square bases... but everything will be a shade bigger than before. I reckon 20mm squares will be gone, and everything will correspond with current rounds i.e. smallest size will be 25mm, then 32mm, cavalry will start at 65x32 rectangle etc. Models will potentially be provided with both squares and rounds, and movement trays for both will be available too.

>Diorama base-sets might be a thing, or indeed regiments might be posed in 5/10/20-model mini dioramas

(No, that’s just wishful thinking, ignore me...)

For all that big projects take 18months+ (or whatever) from initial concepts to saleable product, I’m pretty sure GW are flexible enough to be able to sit on CAD designs and rules decisions (for example) until quite late in the game i.e. they may well be taking their time to gauge what the customers want/are willing to pay for by combing the forums and checking out the competition.

I sold all of my WFB models many moons ago, and the teasers (such as they are) are giving me the itch to put an army together in advance of Old World finally dropping... but before I commit to a FireForge Not-Brettonian army I’ll finish my 2nd edition 40K space marines

I read people saying how popular space Marines are and that’s why fantasy went away, it didn’t sell as much as a whole game as Marines.
Yeah could be a reason.

But then those same people who are arguing it must be a human vs human starter, use the argument that they did it with Marines so precedent is there, it makes sense etc.

Surely you can’t ever compare another faction to Marines, as per argument one?

Particularly humans from fantasy, the plain ol’ regular guys, and I’m an Empire player!

Also I can’t remember who said they expect 4 factions for year one, three of which likely humans.
I mean, I agree maybe starting with 4 seems possible/likely.
But I can’t see how only one would be non human?
If Empire, Kislev & Bretonnia are all at launch, then I’d think there will be 6 factions, alongside the IRC’s and elves perhaps.

It could be Empire, Bretonnia, Chaos Warriors (technically a human faction!) and Orks.

Kislev might get rolled into the empire release, and maybe we'll get some kind of fun minor faction rolled into Bretonnia. (Not likely, but it would be cool)

I mean, different provinces and wars in faction I could see sure.
But it would still be one faction book I’d have thought.

Kislev I think are too different appearance wise to come from empire kits.

What were Chaos up to around this era?
It’s been too long since the Old World, I’ve pushed a lot of history out of my head..

Chaos was always there and Beastman played a big role during times of war

an Empire Book, Middenheim Book, Talabecland, Marienburg Book etc
GW would give a way possibilities to earn a lot of money if they make it just one book for all

Kislev itself and the northern lands of the Empire are similar and just the special units being different

so having a generic "man of the north" kit that also can be used as militia/peasants, state troops, elite infantry, knights, resin upgrade kits for White Wolf, Norse, Kislev, Marienburg, Bretonnia

 dan2026 wrote:
I hope we finally get some new Skaven.
They need a big revamp.

years too late, at least for me and I am not sure I would prefer new-GW style rats over the Mantic ones

Danny76 wrote:
I mean, different provinces and wars in faction I could see sure.
But it would still be one faction book I’d have thought.

Kislev I think are too different appearance wise to come from empire kits.

What were Chaos up to around this era?
It’s been too long since the Old World, I’ve pushed a lot of history out of my head..

In general:

* The Age of Three Emperors, sometimes called the Time of Three Emperors, was a centuries-long period of civil war in The Empire. It began technically in 1547 and ended officially with the election and crowning of Magnus the Pious in 2304. The three are normally based around Middenheim, Talebheim and Altdorf.
* 2173 The Keeper of Secrets N'kari rampages across Ulthuan, attempting to find and eliminate all of Aenarion's descendants. At the Shrine of Asuryan, N'kari and its daemons are defeated by a High Elf host, led by Teclis and Tyrion.
* 2201 The Errantry Wars: King Louen Orc-Slayer of Bretonnia declares the Errantry Wars to rid Bretonnia of Orcs. Countless Greenskins are put to the sword, and they are temporarily driven out.
* 2205 The Battle Black Falls: Dwarf High King Alrik mortally wounds Warboss Gorkil Eyegouger, who pulls the King over the edge of the falls. Alriksson takes leadership of the army and routs the Greenskins.
* 2231 Ariel weeps as Morghur is reborn into the world once more, this time in the Forest of Arden. The Wood Elves attempt to kill his fifth incarnation as a babe, but are repulsed.

Although I am skeptical they would change the scale from 28/32, if they were to do it, I'd put my money on the same scale as the LOTR miniatures. The contract GW has regarding the IP, dictated that they needed to be at a different scale than their mainline Warhammer games. A little birdy has suggested that clause runs out in 2023.

 Hollow wrote:
Although I am skeptical they would change the scale from 28/32, if they were to do it, I'd put my money on the same scale as the LOTR miniatures. The contract GW has regarding the IP, dictated that they needed to be at a different scale than their mainline Warhammer games. A little birdy has suggested that clause runs out in 2023.

But wouldn’t the renewal of LotR also renew that clause if so?
But yeah I too would be skeptics.

Everything they’ve shown us suggests it’s the same.
Everything they haven’t shown us yet, suggests it could be any scale.

So the easier to assume of these options.....

WHFB kits in significantly less exaggerated proportions would certainly be interesting, not the least for how it would make kitbashing easier, but the heroic style is kind of pretty heavily baked into what Warhammer in general has been for thirty years now. It's the Citadel house style.

That's not to say I find the suggestion utterly improbable but I'm not going to believe it until I see it. Would be nice, though.

Nothing they've shown us suggests anything about the scale. Warmaster used the same bases as Warhammer Fantasy Battle (IIRC they were all on cavalry bases, so not exactly "square" so much as rectangular), and concept artwork is concept artwork, it doesn't point to any specific scale.

Anyway, if I was GW the first factions out of the gate would be Warriors of Chaos, Kislev, Bretonnia, and Tomb Kings. Bretonnia and Tomb Kings because theres the most fan support for them (in the same way as Sisters of Battle). Warriors of Chaos are easily back-ended in via Age of Sigmar as most of their range is still available (though again I think GW doesn't want to sell us the same minis we already have), but also the design studio considers Chaos Warriors to be the fantasy equivalent of a Space Marine and amongst the most iconic and unique aspects of the setting. No way they reboot WHFB without Chaos Warriors. Kislev has become a meme within the Total War community, release a miniatures line, get a bunch of pc nerds hooked into the tabletop game, and then release an expac for the PC game featuring them afterwards - GW will make millions.

You still need some glue to bind those 4 factions together, so you release Empire, which sits smack dab in the middle of them. With clever art and miniatures design, an Empire range also gets you minis easily usable for Bretonnia and Kislev as well, so its kind of a win/win and the Empire was the central "good guy" faction of the setting, hard to do a reboot without them. Empire also easily allows you to bring back Vampires which are a much beloved army that don't exist as a cohesive whole in Age of Sigmar - rumors abound of Vampirates coming for AoS, which is great, but its not the same. While I'm at it, if you're doing generic Empire minis, you can easily get Estalia, Tilea, and Border Princes in too.

So those are the factions that I would expect to see if I were doing the game: Warriors of Chaos, Kislev, Bretonnia, Tomb Kings, Vampires, and Empire + non-Empire human factions.

To me, Wood Elves and High Elves are a trap, as are Orcs. I don't doubt GW will stick them in the game, just that I don't think they make sense, at least not before the others I listed.

I think if we see Chaos stuff, it's going to be Marauder/Norscan related to start with.

Danny76 wrote:

But wouldn’t the renewal of LotR also renew that clause if so?

there are some big "if" here
if they get the same license, if the renew it at all, if GW wants TOW to be compatible with AoS or not, if they want Mass-Battle R&F or not etc

of course, going with 25mm instead of 32mm could add the possibility for lower price of models while units are bigger than in AoS and making it something on its own so most newer models cannot be used
there are some advantages here also to get 3rd party models out of the way

As someone (along with my normal group) who had been introduced to WHFB through Total War and instantly fell in love with the setting, we were very disappointed to find that the entire TT setting was nuked a few years prior to us discovering it. We looked into Age of Sigmar and were thoroughly unimpressed so we decided to go with 8th. After months of collecting dozens of boxes of older minis still available on GW's storefront (greatswords, dreadspears, skelies, kemmler/krell etc) and those now discontinued elsewhere (the guy putting together a Stirlander army almost had a stroke when he saw the prices of empire archers on ebay), we thought we were in a pretty good place after hearing about the "Old World".

Needless to say, we hope there are no major changes to scale. If so, we'll just go back to our original plan. No harm, no foul.

So far we've no hint at a scale change - its purely the result of people chatting and wish-listing/dreaming on things they'd like.

IMO - the base assumption about the game should be "We don't know anything at all about it and its foolish to start collecting an army of legacy miniatures to play with the game before we have any real details whatsoever", followed by "the game is probably 28mm, but not guaranteed to be".

Any deviation from that is just asking for trouble.

NuhJuhKuh wrote:+++Total speculation inbound+++

> There will be a massive, beautifully presented, *expensive* “Ravening Hordes” book as part of the initial release that will include nearly all the rules and points etc. for players to use their existing armies. The lists will be generic enough, and may not even include named characters from the World That Was (because different timeline), and they will be notably underpowered compared to the new hotness. There *may* be lists for current AoS armies too

> Any re-releases of old figures/kits will be very limited, or strictly made-to-order

> heavy focus on new armies. My guess is Kislev vs. Norse raiders in the initial launch, perhaps different sets of factions every 6 months or so to go with specific campaign books.

> New models WILL come with square bases... but everything will be a shade bigger than before. I reckon 20mm squares will be gone, and everything will correspond with current rounds i.e. smallest size will be 25mm, then 32mm, cavalry will start at 65x32 rectangle etc. Models will potentially be provided with both squares and rounds, and movement trays for both will be available too.

>Diorama base-sets might be a thing, or indeed regiments might be posed in 5/10/20-model mini dioramas

(No, that’s just wishful thinking, ignore me...)

For all that big projects take 18months+ (or whatever) from initial concepts to saleable product, I’m pretty sure GW are flexible enough to be able to sit on CAD designs and rules decisions (for example) until quite late in the game i.e. they may well be taking their time to gauge what the customers want/are willing to pay for by combing the forums and checking out the competition.

I sold all of my WFB models many moons ago, and the teasers (such as they are) are giving me the itch to put an army together in advance of Old World finally dropping... but before I commit to a FireForge Not-Brettonian army I’ll finish my 2nd edition 40K space marines

My guess would be rules to accommodate existing and old models along with two new armies in a starter at launch.
Like they did with AoS, sort of how they would have done if they released 9th edition instead of AoS.

GrosseSax wrote:As someone (along with my normal group) who had been introduced to WHFB through Total War and instantly fell in love with the setting, we were very disappointed to find that the entire TT setting was nuked a few years prior to us discovering it. We looked into Age of Sigmar and were thoroughly unimpressed so we decided to go with 8th. After months of collecting dozens of boxes of older minis still available on GW's storefront (greatswords, dreadspears, skelies, kemmler/krell etc) and those now discontinued elsewhere (the guy putting together a Stirlander army almost had a stroke when he saw the prices of empire archers on ebay), we thought we were in a pretty good place after hearing about the "Old World".

Needless to say, we hope there are no major changes to scale. If so, we'll just go back to our original plan. No harm, no foul.

Why not try Kings of War while you wait? You can use the models that you have and the basic rules are free from here with a free list builder here

 Overread wrote:
So far we've no hint at a scale change - its purely the result of people chatting and wish-listing/dreaming on things they'd like.

I don't see how it would make any sense for them to announce a big project with part of the initial reveal being "Here's a square base, remember These and The Old World setting? We're gonna return to them, get excited!" only to a long while later go "Oh, we meant Warmaster, not WHFB!" or "This is a small scope game just for for those of you who played human factions", either of those suggestions would just be absurd and be like another slap in the face to WHFB fans.

GrosseSax wrote:
As someone (along with my normal group) who had been introduced to WHFB through Total War and instantly fell in love with the setting, we were very disappointed to find that the entire TT setting was nuked a few years prior to us discovering it.

I don't think there is any better example of how badly thought out the launch of AoS was than the fact that they did it just before the release of the biggest and most anticipated video game based on their IP.