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 Tastyfish wrote:
I wonder if the End Times will be an expansion pack or the final plot of Total War 3. Seems to be the main reason you'd be secretive about the dates.
That would also make a lot of sense for the end of a trilogy, and the last Total Warhammer.

I would prefer that they did not myself - I could see if they were going for Total War: Age of Sigmar (which IMO would be awesome).

Alot of stuff (sometimes contradictory) happens around 2500 IC.

 Tastyfish wrote:
I wonder if the End Times will be an expansion pack or the final plot of Total War 3. Seems to be the main reason you'd be secretive about the dates.
That would also make a lot of sense for the end of a trilogy, and the last Total Warhammer.

The shitstorm that would ensue if End Times content was prioritised against other content (regardless of whether it's the case - internet people would see it that way) means I doubt we'll see an End Times expansion pack. If End Times was going to be used, then TWW3 was the perfect opportunity to do it and CA went out of their way to explicitly say End Times will not be in base TWW3.

Personally I think that CA won't be able to do a total war warhammer game for a long time after Warhammer 1-3. The amount of ground they've covered is staggering for such a game, but at the same time by the time they finish its pretty much going to be a complete game.


What I think we will see is

1) Perhaps a Saga game. This is what CA likes to do between big projects and whilst they aren't always their most popular they are smaller projects that keep their staff busy between the big ones. I could see them doing a few key races or such in a Warhammer Saga experience.

2) Age of Sigmar Total War. I honestly expect this. It lets CA return to the fantasy setting which has done them ever so well; whlist at the same time having total freedom to expand the game and add new factions, new forces and new twists on old ones. It's also great for GW as it pairs with an actual game they make right now.



I did feel that End Times was going to be part of Total War Warhammer, but it seems its not at present. They might cover it in a Saga game or just blow past it and do Age of Sigmar.



I'd be more surprised if they don't return to the GW franchise setting or if they did Warhammer Classic again. At least I'd not expect a new Warhammer series game from them until a new engine comes along or 10-20 years pass.

They could easily do one or more Warhammer Total War: Time of Legends as Saga games

Focussing on:

Sundering and War of Vengeance period: High and Dark Elves, Dwarfs, Daemons.
Rise of Nagash: Nekehara (city staes vs the Undead (various factions), Cathay and Dark Elves on the periphery
Rise of Sigmar: Smaller scale but the Human tribes, Greenskins, Daemons, Chaos, Dwarfs and Undead.

Plus a direct tie in with The Old World would not be that difficult - new characters for human, beastmen, greenskin factions but most of the rest would not need much change.

Total War: Age of Sigmar isn't happening any time soon: https://www.pcgamer.com/a-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-rts-is-coming-from-elite-dangerous-developer-frontier/

Even GW's liberal licencing regime probably wouldn't allow two AOS RTS style games to come out in close succession.

I'm sure it would.

That said it wouldn't happen soon. CA games take a good while to develop and there would be at least 1 saga and 1 main game release between any fantasy releases.


I could well see a Medieval 3 or even a Three Kingdoms 2 appear on the horizon before any talk of an Age of Sigmar or return to the Old World. So yep its not going to b any any time soon.

Some were speculating that we'd see a Total War: Horus Heresy game with CA poaching one of the two heresy developers last year.

Could be interesting.

True they could do a 40K game considering that it basically runs on a similar system to most fantasy battles. And there's ample room in the market for a big large scale battle system and who knows CA might want to play with it and things like trench warfare in a setting that won't basically spark as much controversy for them as WW1/2 - though saying that there's so many games about those eras (esp WW2) that its likely not really much of an issue outside of a few special release considerations for the German market.

Plus shooting is already overpowered in warhammer total war. Might as well just build a game around it.

They'll have milked Warhammer 2 for almost five years - well, four and a bit - I'm sure they can milk 3 for just as long, particularly if GW allows them copy their homework for places like Ind, Nippon, etc (and vice versa?)

I feel like 'milking it' is an inaccurate sentiment. They have released a LOT of content over that period, both paid and unpaid. Quality, polished content that really shows the level of effort behind it both visually and mechanically. They haven't just been throwing out bunches of meaningless cosmetics or re-skins and calling it DLC.

Well, "polished" is in the eye of the beholder - this is CA after all who spent years saying they couldn't do a Jabberslythe, right up until the moment they did - but broadly yes, I agree with you. They haven't "milked" the game. They've expanded upon it, greatly.

Not without missteps, and there are still flaws in the game that they hope to address with the third game, but certainly the end result as TWW2 comes to the end of its life is greater than the sum of its original parts.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well, "polished" is in the eye of the beholder - this is CA after all who spent years saying they couldn't do a Jabberslythe, right up until the moment they did - but broadly yes, I agree with you. They haven't "milked" the game. They've expanded upon it, greatly.

Not without missteps, and there are still flaws in the game that they hope to address with the third game, but certainly the end result as TWW2 comes to the end of its life is greater than the sum of its original parts.

It wasn't so much that they said they couldn't do it so much that it would cost as much as the entire art budget for the age of charlemagne dlc.Thus why they brought forth a few of the usual community's memes themselves when that unit finally came to pass.

But yeah out of all the games they've made the DLC for Total War hasn't really had any issues compared to some of the others. There's been some slight missteps surely but nothing that is out of place.

 Overread wrote:
I'm sure it would.

That said it wouldn't happen soon. CA games take a good while to develop and there would be at least 1 saga and 1 main game release between any fantasy releases.

This bears repeating.

Ever since the sudden announcement (and it was very sudden) that no further work on Three Kingdoms would happen, we have no idea what Creative Assembly is doing in the "big historical" game realm. The information they've revealed in the past suggests that they likely have a team working on a non-Saga historical game. But whatever it is, it's far enough off that we haven't even got a vague hint of what it might be.

Whatever CA decides to do with its Warhammer team after this is so far off as to not really even be worth considering at this point.

That border princes map is gorgeous! So much room for campaigns and creating unique armies. The best part of this is fleshing out the world. Love the focus on the much smaller factions.

They’ve referenced Cathay getting 8th rules so I’m wondering if they are bringing all the old (which I think there were 3 - Beastmen, Skaven, and Brets) up to date and then releasing 8th rules for the new armies while they continue developing the rules for Old World.

I took it more as CA built their game referencing the 8th edition books so making them a Cathay book with that edition's approach was done to help them integrate them.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/09/14/watch-grand-cathay-come-to-life-in-an-epic-collaboration-for-total-war-warhammer-iii/

At the very bottom, sounds like they are developing 8th rules for Cathay

nathan2004 wrote:They’ve referenced Cathay getting 8th rules so I’m wondering if they are bringing all the old (which I think there were 3 - Beastmen, Skaven, and Brets) up to date and then releasing 8th rules for the new armies while they continue developing the rules for Old World.

No, that seems very unlikely.

Eldarain wrote:I took it more as CA built their game referencing the 8th edition books so making them a Cathay book with that edition's approach was done to help them integrate them.

This is how I read it too.

 nathan2004 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/09/14/watch-grand-cathay-come-to-life-in-an-epic-collaboration-for-total-war-warhammer-iii/

At the very bottom, sounds like they are developing 8th rules for Cathay

In the great lore interview with Andy Hall (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQEOEpgPBuU) it was mentioned, that GW made a Cathay armybook for CA as a reference for creating the faction.

I hope we get to see that book at some point. I would love to read those rules and the whole lore background.

 nathan2004 wrote:
They’ve referenced Cathay getting 8th rules so I’m wondering if they are bringing all the old (which I think there were 3 - Beastmen, Skaven, and Brets) up to date and then releasing 8th rules for the new armies while they continue developing the rules for Old World.

They also had a full 6th Ed. Chaos Dwarfs book ready to go that was squatted to make way for Ogre Kingdoms. By your logic should they not release that as well?

 Just Tony wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
They’ve referenced Cathay getting 8th rules so I’m wondering if they are bringing all the old (which I think there were 3 - Beastmen, Skaven, and Brets) up to date and then releasing 8th rules for the new armies while they continue developing the rules for Old World.

They also had a full 6th Ed. Chaos Dwarfs book ready to go that was squatted to make way for Ogre Kingdoms. By your logic should they not release that as well?

I'd be interested to read it, if only to see how the Chorfs were going to fit into the game at that stage.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
They’ve referenced Cathay getting 8th rules so I’m wondering if they are bringing all the old (which I think there were 3 - Beastmen, Skaven, and Brets) up to date and then releasing 8th rules for the new armies while they continue developing the rules for Old World.

They also had a full 6th Ed. Chaos Dwarfs book ready to go that was squatted to make way for Ogre Kingdoms. By your logic should they not release that as well?

I'd be interested to read it, if only to see how the Chorfs were going to fit into the game at that stage.

As someone who still plays 6th I have a much deeper vested interest in seeing it put out. That doesn't mean GW should be in any way obligated to do so, though. Still, it'd be neat to take the time to put out some maybe online only books for each edition, sort of filling the gaps. That way those people who still occasionally play those editions could have access. Hell, make it part of the Warhammer+ package so I have to pay for their service to have access. I'd do it.

GW should, if they had any intereset of get old things going again
but they don't need to and specially with doing all new with TOW they won't support any old version with unreleased stuff

different to Mortheim were you get all those kind of things that were planned but never made, semi-offical from the designers

 Just Tony wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
They’ve referenced Cathay getting 8th rules so I’m wondering if they are bringing all the old (which I think there were 3 - Beastmen, Skaven, and Brets) up to date and then releasing 8th rules for the new armies while they continue developing the rules for Old World.

They also had a full 6th Ed. Chaos Dwarfs book ready to go that was squatted to make way for Ogre Kingdoms. By your logic should they not release that as well?

Has that ever been confirmed? I've heard that rumour a few times now and it makes no sense why they wouldn't have just printed it for White Dwarf content if they decided not to publish it as a book. Also GW usually creates the miniature lines around the same time as the Army Books as they influence each other back and forth and we've never seen any 6ed Chaos Dwarf minis.

"GW"

"makes no sense"

You just got your answer as to why they wouldn't print it. This wouldn't be the first or last time GW shelved something with little to no reasoning behind it. I'm guessing that they decided the investment wasn't worth it.

They could always give the book away... for... fr...

Sorry, almost made it through that sentence without laughing.

 Londinium wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:

 nathan2004 wrote:
They’ve referenced Cathay getting 8th rules so I’m wondering if they are bringing all the old (which I think there were 3 - Beastmen, Skaven, and Brets) up to date and then releasing 8th rules for the new armies while they continue developing the rules for Old World.

They also had a full 6th Ed. Chaos Dwarfs book ready to go that was squatted to make way for Ogre Kingdoms. By your logic should they not release that as well?

Has that ever been confirmed? I've heard that rumour a few times now and it makes no sense why they wouldn't have just printed it for White Dwarf content if they decided not to publish it as a book. Also GW usually creates the miniature lines around the same time as the Army Books as they influence each other back and forth and we've never seen any 6ed Chaos Dwarf minis.

Well, that's basically why. If they decided to not pursue an updated miniatures line, they wouldn't do a book. Even back then, they weren't going to print something just so people could use the old metal Chaos Dorfs.
Despite what people are saying, it does make sense, particularly at the time- GW's line of thought was that books existed to push models. Without a corresponding model line, there wasn't anything to push.

Sorry misinterpreted, thanks for clarifying

The confusion comes from miscommunication. For example, when Tony said "ready to go" that is in an 'internetese' dialect, in conventional English it means "designed". His statement would actually translate as "they had a Chaos Dwarfs army book designed, but it was cancelled and Ogor Kingdoms took the release slot" which while only slightly different in phrasing makes sense.

Of course this is still speculation with no evidence.