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Even though its still concept art stage that TK news is going to be ever so welcome for so many!

Fairly boring update to say we've been waiting months on it.

Some Tomb Kings stuff that will make a certain element of the fanbase go wild. GW know exactly what they're doing but it could just be some artwork from the rulebook.

One interesting point is that 2023 is the 40th anniversary of Warhammer, those madlads aren't going to be crazy enough to release 10e 40k and 9e WHFB in the same year...are they?

Very very excited. Honestly wish the boar boyz set was still around. It came out when I first got in the hobby and it was great.

(though if I'm wishing for the return of old fantasy kits, the list is much much much bigger)

That was get exited and over.

Can I have more please, i almost have hope.

Hey cool. Tomb Kings. I built 3 Necropolis Knights two weekends ago. Those guys are pretty cool.

Sarouan wrote:
I mean, just look at HBMC and read his reactions to Kislev and Cathay stuff, or his own comments here. It doesn't take to be a genius to see he won't be satisfied with the Old World project, because it will never be what he wants it to be : the old Warhammer Battle world exactly as he remembered and loved. Because the people designing it will be clearly different / older than the ones who did design Warhammer Battle at that time, and their interpretations / sources of inspiration change too.

Don't presume to speak for me or believe you know anything about me.

I've never played Warhammer Fantasy. I love Warhammer Quest '95, but beyond that I have no dog in this fight. I don't really care what they do with The Old World outside of generally hoping fantasy players get what they want.

What I care about is Total War Warhammer III being completed, which means getting the obviously missing pieces like Chaos Dwarfs and Araby. That's the extend of my connection to Warhammer Fantasy.

Glad they're averaging about 0.2 illustrations per month.

To be honest, Tomb Kings fans are so starved for so long even a picture of one phalanx half buried in the sand will be seen as the advent of Settra's new golden age.

It's the map that's the interesting part of the article, IMHO. Again.

There are indeed more locations / coats of arms. And Lustria, Naggarroth and Ulthuan are still out of it.

Apart of speculations, what can we do from it anyway ? We're pretty clear still far away from anything really substantial for the game...

40K and The Old World releasing in the same year does make sense (certainly more sense than releasing against a new AoS edition)

a fair number of gamers are SF or Fantasy not both

The Old World is unlikely to launch with anything like the amount of stuff that previous WHFB players will expect. There's no way they'll be able to make all the old kits available again (even if the choose to go with them intiailly) as they'll hit the production capacity problem they've had since before covid

you'll either get a fiarly shallow release of a lot of factions, or a deeper release of a few

so either way a player of a single faction won't be spending as much as GW would want and 40K will soak up the excess cash from those at do play Fantasy and SF

I like the art, and it's great to see Bretonnia and Tomb Kings...but is that really it? After months with nothing and barely anything for this whole year in the first place (and even then, it was all TW:W3 related), we get 4 pieces of art and a slightly updated map? And then just them saying we'll get more next year.

 Overread wrote:
Even though its still concept art stage that TK news is going to be ever so welcome for so many!

Not for me, but I can't help but think that there is something very meme-worthy about the artwork with that giant horse skull in the center.

 Londinium wrote:
One interesting point is that 2023 is the 40th anniversary of Warhammer, those madlads aren't going to be crazy enough to release 10e 40k and 9e WHFB in the same year...are they?

GW has released new 40k/AoS editions and Specialist Games big boxes before. If it happens, it likely means summer for the main game and November for Old World.

Apple fox wrote:
That was get exited and over.

Can I have more please, i almost have hope.

Well, I mean...

GW wrote:This truly is a gargantuan project with lots to show off, but...

I wrote:...we ain't doing any such thing.

They're doing the thing they've been doing for the last three years which is, for the most part, not telling us a damn thing. I think they're getting pretty good at it by now.

Some great images and the map is coming along nicely!

I can't tell if it's a good or bad thing that despite the miniatures being quite old now and the game being set hundreds of years earlier than WHFB, was, the artwork is basically just the same WHFB miniatures even down to some of the details. I expected things to be similar and in the same vein as the classics but still updated a little with more detail and such, either because of the time period change or because things have moved on a bit since they were made.

Hmmm...the update was just some art that looks a lot like the 6th-7th edition art. Each piece could have been from an army book in 2005 and reused in the margin of countless White Dwarf articles.

I haven't seen anything to change my initial impression. Between other rulesets, a broader selection of fantasy plastic kits, and STL creators...I just don't think I need or want Games Workshop to be involved in my Warhammer Fantasy Battles anymore.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I can't tell if it's a good or bad thing that despite the miniatures being quite old now and the game being set hundreds of years earlier than WHFB, was, the artwork is basically just the same WHFB miniatures even down to some of the details. I expected things to be similar and in the same vein as the classics but still updated a little with more detail and such, either because of the time period change or because things have moved on a bit since they were made.

A lot of the factions won't change that much in 200 years, we're not talking about the irl jump from 1800 to 2000 here. The main areas you'll probably see change is less technological development in the Empire and Skaven, less organised and advanced magic in the Empire and that's well probably it. Bretonnia in particular is a society in economic and political stasis by the conscious decision of the elites. So the artwork being largely the same makes sense, I imagine GW don't want to spook people with changes either, considering this will rely upon getting the old crowd back into the game to form it's core playerbase.

As you get deeper into the marketing roll out (likely well into 2023), once it's been established that this is still the WHFB that people used to love, we'll probably see some new or unusual stuff.

Magic is a big one for the Empire - there is no Colleges of Magic until the 2300s so unless you have a powerful patron such as a Emperor/Empress or noble you have to avoid witch hunters and mobs. Only a few places like Middenheim have any official centres of magical learning.

Not been following this much but do we KNOW what kind of game this will be? Will it be 5he same scale etc as AOS and 40k? Just seems an odd idea to make a direct competitor to one of your brands. Suppose it works for HH and 40k. I like the idea but I think it would tempt me away from AoS with all the nostalgia.

Andykp wrote:
Not been following this much but do we KNOW what kind of game this will be? Will it be 5he same scale etc as AOS and 40k? Just seems an odd idea to make a direct competitor to one of your brands. Suppose it works for HH and 40k. I like the idea but I think it would tempt me away from AoS with all the nostalgia.

Article here answering general questions.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/07/21/square-bases-and-kislev-ascendant-see-your-questions-about-warhammer-the-old-world-answered/

These are all new art pieces and they've clearly done well to hit the tone. It is a small nugget but it's very important in setting the right frame with the artwork.


Edit: it's not as long ago as I thought rereading.

They seem to be setting it before Magnus the Pious is crowned Emperor and before the Chaos invasion by Kul.

Andykp wrote:
Not been following this much but do we KNOW what kind of game this will be? Will it be 5he same scale etc as AOS and 40k? Just seems an odd idea to make a direct competitor to one of your brands. Suppose it works for HH and 40k. I like the idea but I think it would tempt me away from AoS with all the nostalgia.

It will be the same scale as WHFB/AoS. It will have square bases. The ruleset is based on 3-8 edition (maybe only 5-8, actually. Don't fully remember).

It's not a direct competitor with AoS, because it's a rank and flank and thus the ruleset will automatically have a different appeal than the formation-free rulesets like AoS and 40k.

 Rihgu wrote:

Andykp wrote:
Not been following this much but do we KNOW what kind of game this will be? Will it be 5he same scale etc as AOS and 40k? Just seems an odd idea to make a direct competitor to one of your brands. Suppose it works for HH and 40k. I like the idea but I think it would tempt me away from AoS with all the nostalgia.

It will be the same scale as WHFB/AoS. It will have square bases. The ruleset is based on 3-8 edition (maybe only 5-8, actually. Don't fully remember).

It's not a direct competitor with AoS, because it's a rank and flank and thus the ruleset will automatically have a different appeal than the formation-free rulesets like AoS and 40k.

This does seem interesting. The free cities stuff for AoS had me interested but this maybe more so. I thought they could go a 10 or 15mm strategy game but 28mm is a bold choice. I hope they give the rules a fresh look, I found 5th onwards a bit stuffy for me.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I can't tell if it's a good or bad thing that despite the miniatures being quite old now and the game being set hundreds of years earlier than WHFB, was, the artwork is basically just the same WHFB miniatures even down to some of the details. I expected things to be similar and in the same vein as the classics but still updated a little with more detail and such, either because of the time period change or because things have moved on a bit since they were made.

To me, this points to bringing back some older kits. I am sure there will be new kits as well, but now I am thinking we will see some classic kits back.

 Londinium wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I can't tell if it's a good or bad thing that despite the miniatures being quite old now and the game being set hundreds of years earlier than WHFB, was, the artwork is basically just the same WHFB miniatures even down to some of the details. I expected things to be similar and in the same vein as the classics but still updated a little with more detail and such, either because of the time period change or because things have moved on a bit since they were made.

A lot of the factions won't change that much in 200 years, we're not talking about the irl jump from 1800 to 2000 here. The main areas you'll probably see change is less technological development in the Empire and Skaven, less organised and advanced magic in the Empire and that's well probably it. Bretonnia in particular is a society in economic and political stasis by the conscious decision of the elites. So the artwork being largely the same makes sense, I imagine GW don't want to spook people with changes either, considering this will rely upon getting the old crowd back into the game to form it's core playerbase.

As you get deeper into the marketing roll out (likely well into 2023), once it's been established that this is still the WHFB that people used to love, we'll probably see some new or unusual stuff.

I'm not really talking about technological development, but rather just the level of detail, decoration etc being in the same style and location as the old WHFB miniatures. Like that Bretonnia knight or that Orc Boar Boy aren't new updated takes on them that might have armour in a different place, a differently decorated weapon, some more or different embellishments and ornamentation, they pretty much just are the WHFB miniatures as they were before even down to that skull and claw on the Orcs shield, or the placement of the small shield details on the Knight. I expected updates in the same way as something might get updated miniatures between one edition and another, where they'll be similar but not almost exactly the same.

Grail Seeker wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I can't tell if it's a good or bad thing that despite the miniatures being quite old now and the game being set hundreds of years earlier than WHFB, was, the artwork is basically just the same WHFB miniatures even down to some of the details. I expected things to be similar and in the same vein as the classics but still updated a little with more detail and such, either because of the time period change or because things have moved on a bit since they were made.

To me, this points to bringing back some older kits. I am sure there will be new kits as well, but now I am thinking we will see some classic kits back.

I'm thinking that the 'support' that Bretonnia and Tomb Kings get will merely be the re-release of their older kits. They won't get any new stuff until all the other factions have had theirs. I wonder if GW will try and get all the boxed sets for all these armies into their stores, or if some are going to lurk as 'direct only'.

Still, nice to have doubts quashed that they are going to do all the disparate armies, not just living humans!

Well, that was pretty pointless update. I hoped to see some models at least.

In any case, my interest in this depends on whether it can be played with models on round bases. I am not going to rebase again. I doubt I'm alone in this.

I recall all the times myself and others have said 'even if you have nothing to announce at least give us an update to say it's still going, maybe show a piece of art or two'. So you know what? Thanks GW, legitimately. I can get having nothing to really showcase but we got a little 'hey still working on it!' And that's fine by me.

Anyone else think it’s funny that GW made an announcement to confirm Tomb Kings just as Mantic is releasing a new starter set with Empires of Dust plastics?

Funny in that GW is inadvertently advertising for Mantic's new range? Sure, lol, that's pretty funny.

I’m glad they are pouring their efforts into developing the rules, models, and setting and not focusing on doing previews to just appease the masses. Doing that to me is analogous of the now countless movies I’ve seen in my life that had a great trailer/preview, but was an actual garbage movie. I want this game to succeed and to be around for years to come and that will entirely depend upon how it’s done (and marketed).

 Crimson wrote:
Well, that was pretty pointless update. I hoped to see some models at least.

In any case, my interest in this depends on whether it can be played with models on round bases. I am not going to rebase again. I doubt I'm alone in this.

They haven't directly said one way or the other but it is incredibly doubtful.

They have confirmed square bases, and confirmed it is in the same scale.

And the round bases AOS uses are generally bigger than squares, so while it was possible to do base extenders to go from square to circle, you can't do the same thing from circle to square.

 nathan2004 wrote:
I’m glad they are pouring their efforts into developing the rules, models, and setting and not focusing on doing previews to just appease the masses. Doing that to me is analogous of the now countless movies I’ve seen in my life that had a great trailer/preview, but was an actual garbage movie. I want this game to succeed and to be around for years to come and that will entirely depend upon how it’s done (and marketed).

Give their track record on their marquee games, including WHFB, I would not be confident that the lack of updates means they're busy play testing rules.