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My preference for HQs right now is a Canoness, Celestine, and the Triumph in my Battalion. I simply cannot fit any more without having to add another detachment, and I love every single one of these models so I'm kinda screwed.

I wish one of these things had the "supreme commander" keyword. If the Palatine and battlebox is coming alongside a new Codex, which is really just a wishlist item for me right now instead of any insight into their plans, I would hope we start to see that keyword show up...

I think the Palatine is probably best used to anchor a firebase of Retributors or Exorcists. I would expect that if a new book comes that Exorcists will not be Core, so they may not benefit, but Retributors surely will still have that keyword I think.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
I think the Palatine is probably best used to anchor a firebase of Retributors or Exorcists. I would expect that if a new book comes that Exorcists will not be Core, so they may not benefit, but Retributors surely will still have that keyword I think.

Wouldn't worry about core or not. The Palantine coming out with a boxset rather than the new codex is a pretty strong signal that our book is going to sticking around for a good long while yet.

As it should. Current codex is only 1 year old. Also perfectly functioning.

 Blackie wrote:
As it should. Current codex is only 1 year old. Also perfectly functioning.

Won't stop me from really hoping for one if only for faction focused Crusade rules.

New FAQ just dropped today. No changes for Sisters other than some points costs.
The changes as far as I could tell:
Retributors to 14 ppm (up from 12)
Repentia to 16 ppm (up from 15)
Zephyrim to 18 ppm (down from 20)

Not really surprised to see Repentia and Retributors take a bit of a hike. Seeing Zephyrim come down will perhaps cause them to appear in more lists- they were already at least on the cusp of being competitive. I'm honestly surprised we didn't see Mortifiers get a points hike- they are one unit that sees a fair amount of competitive play and they are pretty good, plus with the changes in the mission secondaries they aren't punished as hard for being vehicles.

So 18 repentias and 5 retributors now cost just +28 points. There's no need to change anything drastically due to points hikes, just a few details.

I think Rhino is up for 5 points

Null Rod and Simulacrums are now free, so there's now no real reason not to equip every squad with them.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
New FAQ just dropped today. No changes for Sisters other than some points costs.
The changes as far as I could tell:
Retributors to 14 ppm (up from 12)
Repentia to 16 ppm (up from 15)
Zephyrim to 18 ppm (down from 20)

Rhinos to 80 (up from 78)
Canoness Null Rod is free
Simulacrum Imperialis is free

Not a bad set of changes. Unless your list was all about Retributors and Repentia, this can easily be a non-issue for your list.

 alextroy wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
New FAQ just dropped today. No changes for Sisters other than some points costs.
The changes as far as I could tell:
Retributors to 14 ppm (up from 12)
Repentia to 16 ppm (up from 15)
Zephyrim to 18 ppm (down from 20)

Rhinos to 80 (up from 78)
Canoness Null Rod is free
Simulacrum Imperialis is free

Not a bad set of changes. Unless your list was all about Retributors and Repentia, this can easily be a non-issue for your list.

though free simulacrum for said retributors so the points even out there if you were already taking one in the unit.

Free simulacrums?

Wow, that's really nice, I have about a dozen in my last list!

Considering both 'free' items are not mentioned, it could simply be an oversight rather than them being 0 points. Seems more likely to me as well, especially considering GW has a reputation of doing so. I'd be really enthusiastic about the Zephyrim if it weren't some of the most horrible models to paint... Too difficult to hold and to access all the (visible) areas. I've started on my first plastic Seraphim and it's just a struggle.

Us3Less wrote:
Considering both 'free' items are not mentioned, it could simply be an oversight rather than them being 0 points. Seems more likely to me as well, especially considering GW has a reputation of doing so. I'd be really enthusiastic about the Zephyrim if it weren't some of the most horrible models to paint... Too difficult to hold and to access all the (visible) areas. I've started on my first plastic Seraphim and it's just a struggle.

From the first page of the Munitorum manual:

You can use this book to determine the points (pts) value of each unit in your army. Each entry lists the unit’s size (i.e. how many models the unit can contain) and how many points the
unit costs. If an entry has a unit cost of ‘x pts/model’, then the unit costs x points for every model in that unit. You must then add points for each weapon, or item of wargear, that is included
in that unit if it is listed in that unit’s entry (weapons and wargear not listed in a unit’s entry cost no additional points to include in that unit).

I'll wait a couple weeks to see if the FAQ gets FAQ'd, but there doesn't seem to be a reason not to include a Simulacrum in every unit if they're free.

warmaster21 wrote:

 alextroy wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
New FAQ just dropped today. No changes for Sisters other than some points costs.
The changes as far as I could tell:
Retributors to 14 ppm (up from 12)
Repentia to 16 ppm (up from 15)
Zephyrim to 18 ppm (down from 20)

Rhinos to 80 (up from 78)
Canoness Null Rod is free
Simulacrum Imperialis is free

Not a bad set of changes. Unless your list was all about Retributors and Repentia, this can easily be a non-issue for your list.

though free simulacrum for said retributors so the points even out there if you were already taking one in the unit.

A 10 point increase for 5 models isn't offset by not paying 5 points for a Simulacrum. But if your list has more than a few SI, the points will balance out over the army.

Asmodai wrote:I'll wait a couple weeks to see if the FAQ gets FAQ'd, but there doesn't seem to be a reason not to include a Simulacrum in every unit if they're free.

We will have to wait and see. Maybe GW decided they were too expensive given the need for a model to hold it and losing the ability when the model dies? But then again, you still have to pay for a Vox Caster in an AM Infantry Squad, so who knows what happened.

for some reason I was thinking simulacrum was 10pts before, my bad

Conspiracy theory: maybe they decided to make SI free because they knew enough people had decided not to build them, so now that everyone is going to want one they'll have to buy more boxes to get them. For the record I don't necessarily believe that, but rather that they accidentally missed adding the cost to the new MFM for some reason. I mean, this is GW we're talking about here.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
Conspiracy theory: maybe they decided to make SI free because they knew enough people had decided not to build them, so now that everyone is going to want one they'll have to buy more boxes to get them. For the record I don't necessarily believe that, but rather that they accidentally missed adding the cost to the new MFM for some reason. I mean, this is GW we're talking about here.

I'm not buying more boxes - I'll just file the hands off the poles of the simulacrum then mount them between the backpack and the back of the armour on regular bolter Sisters.Will only take a dot of super-glue to attach them, so removing them should be fairly non-destructive if the rules change again.

Given that vox-casters still cost points for Guard, I'm guessing the Simulacrum being free is an error.

Unfortunately, the MFM 2021 Mk 1 is full of errors. We all know that Retributors can take Flamers, Meltaguns, or Storm Bolters. And it is odd that Null Rods are free.

 alextroy wrote:
Unfortunately, the MFM 2021 Mk 1 is full of errors. We all know that Retributors can take Flamers, Meltaguns, or Storm Bolters. And it is odd that Null Rods are free.

It has Flamers, melta guns, storm bolters though...

 alextroy wrote:
Unfortunately, the MFM 2021 Mk 1 is full of errors. We all know that Retributors can take Flamers, Meltaguns, or Storm Bolters. And it is odd that Null Rods are free.

Are you talking about Dominions?

 dracpanzer wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
Unfortunately, the MFM 2021 Mk 1 is full of errors. We all know that Retributors can take Flamers, Meltaguns, or Storm Bolters. And it is odd that Null Rods are free.

Are you talking about Dominions?

That should have been "We all know that Retributors can't take Flamers, Meltaguns, or Storm Bolters" and yet the MFM entry for Retributors gives you the points cost for them. It also provides the points cost for Heavy Bolters, Heavy Flamers, and Multi-Meltas for Dominions. Given those errors, I'm not 100% sold that their are not unintentional omissions along with these inappropriate inclusions.

But can't the retributor superior take a flamer, storm bolter or melta hence why it was listed?

skycapt44 wrote:
But can't the retributor superior take a flamer, storm bolter or melta hence why it was listed?

They cannot. They can take a weapon from the ranged weapons list which includes the combi weapons, bolt pistol, and boltgun.

It does appear as if they just copied the valid options for a BSS onto the other units.

Ah yes, you're right. Likely a copy paste error. I doubt we see an FAQ to their FAQ quickly so let's just assume these are simple errors for the time being. It is odd that by the document the Simulacrum become FREE and it also looks like the Gemine Power swords are now free and they cost 18pts total.

Geminae Power Swords, I think, have been folded into the unit's cost, same with Zephyrim. It's because they are a non-optional piece of gear; they can't choose to not take power swords.

The Geminae were always just 18 points. They are in the Named Character section of the 2020 MFM.

Quick after-action report: I took 1500 points against Imperial Guard tonight and won a pretty lopsided victory (87-22). I ran two Exos, three Rhinos, two Celestians, Dominions, Zephyrim, and two relic-toting Canonesses, among others. He brought Creed, Nork, Pask, a Tank Commander, Wyvern, Manticore, Sentinels, Ratlings, and a Vindicare on top of the core troops. I've played variations of his list before... the mix of indirect fire and sniper fire have made it difficult to use the board effectively and I've had trouble keeping my auras intact and using terrain to screen my advance. I managed to overcome those this time and do well with board control secondaries (Raise the Banners, Engage on All Fronts, and the mission secondary for Surround and Destroy). The first turn was a huge asset as usual, and I lucked out when he failed to destroy a transport in his first shooting phase. I got both Russes in Turn 3 and started running away with the points from there.

So, a very satisfactory game... I hope you're managing to sneak in a few from time to time as health and good sense allow!

Death Guard are the fresh hotness, how are sisters at with dealing them? MM Rets can hurt Morty so that's more than most have going on.

Honestly I feel like Sisters are better prepared than most for dealing with DG nonsense. Their damage reduction ability is of limited use against our meltas or Exorcists, and useless against things like Arco-Flagellants or Mortifiers with flails (both are 1 damage weapons). Repentia will find themselves much less useful though. And DG's Contagion abilities will make their bolters wound on 2's vs. Sisters, which is not great for us. Perhaps if DG become popular in the meta, we'll see some people trade out a unit of Repentia for a unit of Zephyrim, as like Arcos their weapons are 1 damage and thus unaffected by the damage reduction, plus their native wound rerolls will help tremendously against DG's high Toughness models.

Death Guard do have some decent psychic powers and good characters to cast them, so it could be worth taking the Sacred Rite that actually makes the Sisters units' Deny the Witch relevant. And/or ally in an Inquisitor Psyker (DG don't easily give up full Abhor the Witch with the FAQ'd rules so no loss to us for bringing a psyker).