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Can’t tell if satire or serious in that response.

I like it, don’t know if I would buy one, but I will wait and see the rules and how it compares.

Hope they FAQ the palatine sheet soon so we know one way or the other. Right now it’s busted.

Blood Angels player here going into a tournament next week, and I’m worried about Sisters because I have never encountered them in 9th. I figured this was the right place to ask, what are Sisters’ play style and weaknesses, and how do I need to play to those weaknesses? Thanks!

 Leth wrote:
Can’t tell if satire or serious in that response.

I like it, don’t know if I would buy one, but I will wait and see the rules and how it compares.

Hope they FAQ the palatine sheet soon so we know one way or the other. Right now it’s busted.

It's gotta be satire.

What's wrong with the Palatine?

New tank looks cool, hopefully it won't cost too many points to just get splatted by Eradicators/Inceptors.

Not sisters looking enough.

Problem lies in 2 places.

1) turret is not churchy enough. Immolator is stained glass and shrines and wood and cherub- awesome. Exorcist is wood and cherubs and organ and organist- awesome.

This....is a predator turret on top the sisters rhino chassis.

Nope. Aesthetic failure.

2) non- holy trinity weapon loadout. Even people who don't play sisters know the 3 weapons the girls have. Bolter, melta, flamer. That's it. It is literally religious.

This has a...battle cannon? Or an auto cannon? No. Army identity failure.

SirGunslinger wrote:
Blood Angels player here going into a tournament next week, and I’m worried about Sisters because I have never encountered them in 9th. I figured this was the right place to ask, what are Sisters’ play style and weaknesses, and how do I need to play to those weaknesses? Thanks!

Sisters have a quiet a variety of play styles to be honest - not managed to play 9th because of lock down but I think some of this is still true.

They have excellent short range firepower - only improved by 9th - eps stuff like Heavy Bolters. Watch out for Miracle Dice - they can build upa pool of these that can make risky or important rolls automatic - IF they get the right rolls to store away of course. I find them also very CP hungry with many powerful Strats

They can be very resiliant and/or in your face assault.

Also pretty much everything has an invulneable if only 6+.

 Leth wrote:
Can’t tell if satire or serious in that response.

I like it, don’t know if I would buy one, but I will wait and see the rules and how it compares.

Hope they FAQ the palatine sheet soon so we know one way or the other. Right now it’s busted.

I thought the Palatine was pretty straightforward... a Soroitas lieutenant with yet-to-be-known weapons options. What did I miss?

Giantwalkingchair wrote:Not sisters looking enough.

Problem lies in 2 places.

1) turret is not churchy enough. Immolator is stained glass and shrines and wood and cherub- awesome. Exorcist is wood and cherubs and organ and organist- awesome.

This....is a predator turret on top the sisters rhino chassis.

Nope. Aesthetic failure.

2) non- holy trinity weapon loadout. Even people who don't play sisters know the 3 weapons the girls have. Bolter, melta, flamer. That's it. It is literally religious.

This has a...battle cannon? Or an auto cannon? No. Army identity failure.

Are you joking? The thing is literally covered in filigree and wrought-iron spikes and the holy trinity has never, ever, been the be-all end-all of the Sisters' armament choices.

Leth wrote:Hope they FAQ the palatine sheet soon so we know one way or the other. Right now it’s busted.

Why, what's wrong with it?


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SirGunslinger wrote:
Blood Angels player here going into a tournament next week, and I’m worried about Sisters because I have never encountered them in 9th. I figured this was the right place to ask, what are Sisters’ play style and weaknesses, and how do I need to play to those weaknesses? Thanks!

This can vary depending on what their build is, sisters are a power armour army that can field more bodies due to lower ppm, but the flipside to that is lower toughness and combined with the tools we have to ignore AP1 or even AP2 under the right circumstances means that anti-horde weapons like bolters and flamers will fare a bit better and traditional marine-killer weapons will fare a little bit worse.

As for tactics, it depends on their build but most of the army wants to get in close. Pick out specific units that you can focus down and take the army apart systematically, keep an eye out for heavy and special weapons specifically, and remember that retributors can move and fire without a shooting penalty. If you have the ability to snipe characters I think the Imagifier is a priority over the Canoness. Melee focussed units can put out a lot of damage but they get hurt easily - remember that they have an advance-and-charge stratagem and don't underestimate how fast they can get to you. Seraphim and Zephyrim can deep strike, so be mindful of that if you see them.

SirGunslinger wrote:
Blood Angels player here going into a tournament next week, and I’m worried about Sisters because I have never encountered them in 9th. I figured this was the right place to ask, what are Sisters’ play style and weaknesses, and how do I need to play to those weaknesses? Thanks!

Any combination of S6 and -3AP is pretty potent... I struggle with Necrons for that reason (Destroyers, Wraiths, etc.). S6 wounds us on 2s, and -3AP makes any investment in ignore -1 and -2AP (in a Valorous Heart list) meaningless, both in terms of upgrades and tactics. High volumes of fire at better than S3 is effective in general... Punisher Gatling Cannons tend to chew through my girls just on number of dice alone, so your Baal Preds might make good on their points.

Somebody had me excited with "weapon options" for the palatine. Yeah, that turned out to be a weird disappointment. I suppose that's what's supposed to be fixed on the datasheet. Proper GW quality control. On the sheet she comes automatically with a plasma pistol AND bolt pistol. The Bolt pistol can be switched for the rosarius that you see in all the images and that gives her a 4++. Otherwise she has two pistols. Cool, but useless. The thing is with the sprue, both pistols are a right hand and the rosarius is always on the model. That's pretty dumb.

Source datasheet: https://youtu.be/09e7CPmWWVA?t=536. Sadly he did not show the points. Haven't been able to find them yet.

Sweet, was wanting to know the options so I can convert my Amalia Novena to one. Scabbard powersword and replace bolter with plasma pistol.

I also agree with above poster in regards to new tank. It's bland, really uninspiring in general in it's design (ignore chassis, focus on turret, the only new part). If I really wanted another heavy support, I'd find a way to kitbash it, but in reality I'd rather just add another Exorcist so it's no loss.

 bullyboy wrote:
I also agree with above poster in regards to new tank. It's bland, really uninspiring in general in it's design (ignore chassis, focus on turret, the only new part). If I really wanted another heavy support, I'd find a way to kitbash it, but in reality I'd rather just add another Exorcist so it's no loss.

Technically the top of the chassis and the less fiery braziers are also new - necessary changes to let the turret traverse. But the only bare spots on that turret are the forward sloped armour and the top of the main hull (which needs clearance for the hatch and storm bolter, and space for people to walk on)

I do see what you mean in that it's got some prominent space that's all black but the overall effect is still a tank that has way too much bling.

Us3Less wrote:
Somebody had me excited with "weapon options" for the palatine. Yeah, that turned out to be a weird disappointment. I suppose that's what's supposed to be fixed on the datasheet. Proper GW quality control. On the sheet she comes automatically with a plasma pistol AND bolt pistol. The Bolt pistol can be switched for the rosarius that you see in all the images and that gives her a 4++. Otherwise she has two pistols. Cool, but useless. The thing is with the sprue, both pistols are a right hand and the rosarius is always on the model. That's pretty dumb.

Source datasheet: https://youtu.be/09e7CPmWWVA?t=536. Sadly he did not show the points. Haven't been able to find them yet.

Still not sure what the other poster was saying by it being "busted". Looks perfectly fine to me.

Right now you default to having both a plasma pistol and bolt pistol. The default build out is not possible to build from the sprues which is why I think it is an error since both the plasma and bolt pistol are in the same hand. You then swap the bolt pistol for a rosarius, which seems odd.

However if the gunslinger version is intended? I’ll enjoy it, put Celestines doves on the base.

Bummer... I was hoping for some fun melee options. Still nice to have another HQ, though.

 Giantwalkingchair wrote:
Not sisters looking enough.

Problem lies in 2 places.

1) turret is not churchy enough. Immolator is stained glass and shrines and wood and cherub- awesome. Exorcist is wood and cherubs and organ and organist- awesome.

This....is a predator turret on top the sisters rhino chassis.

Nope. Aesthetic failure.

2) non- holy trinity weapon loadout. Even people who don't play sisters know the 3 weapons the girls have. Bolter, melta, flamer. That's it. It is literally religious.

This has a...battle cannon? Or an auto cannon? No. Army identity failure.

Not everything in the Sisters armory is from the Trinity. There are a whole lot of Plasma Pistols and Combi-Plasmas out there and the Exorcist is a multi-missile launcher. No reason they can't have battle cannon or autocannon tank.

 Leth wrote:
Right now you default to having both a plasma pistol and bolt pistol. The default build out is not possible to build from the sprues which is why I think it is an error since both the plasma and bolt pistol are in the same hand. You then swap the bolt pistol for a rosarius, which seems odd.

It is a super odd datasheet. I'm sure they will get around to putting out an errata since it should be a model armed with Bolt Pistol, Power Sword, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, and Rosarious with the option to swap the Bolt Pistol with a Plasma Pistol. I am sorely disappointed the "options" included in the kit are a pistol swap and a helmeted head. I was hoping for so much more after the Canoness kit, but she is a high water mark for modern character kits from GW.

Us3Less wrote:
Sadly he did not show the points. Haven't been able to find them yet.

There are no points or PL for some reason. I assume the P&P booklet comes with some sample missions using specific loadouts because otherwise theres no use for the palatine anywhere.

How many MM rets is too many? I've got 3 full squads in a list along with two immolaters but I'm considering dropping 1 squad for 3 mortifiers. (List is otherwise primarily 2x9 repentia and 1x8 zephrym, 1 melta pistol seraphim squad and a triumph along with a few other fixings)

So new character /HQ unit

Really not loving the name - but she looks quite good. Hate to think what she will cost.



Boost Leadership / Miracle Dice or inspire Sisters like a Chaptain?

Given the "War Hymns" line in the article and how they directly call her out as a Chaplain equivalent, I assume she'll have a mechanic similar to Litanies of Battle and Prayers to the Dark Gods (probably called War Hymns).

Looks like a single piece 1999 sculpt. Doesn't seem to match the new dynamic line.

I see a lot of people complaining about the tank. I think it looks fine. The problem I have with it is that it has to compete with the exorcist and retributors for the heavy spot.

I see it having a spot if it is a good MEQ killer.

I think part of the issue is sister lacking a good problem to solve. They have most things covered, at least in the context of 9th edition. Maybe a terminator-esc durable stand-in-the-middle sort of deal would help (....wouldn't have it been awesome if those mechs were holding shields?) or a mobile HQ that isn't celestine. Conceptually I'd love some atalan jackal-esc bikes or sisters on horses, but I don't know if it's really a big missing part of the army.

But what is anyone really looking to cut from the lists?

Yep, i have no use for it and it isn't cool enough either for Rule of Cool.

drakerocket wrote:
I think part of the issue is sister lacking a good problem to solve. They have most things covered, at least in the context of 9th edition. Maybe a terminator-esc durable stand-in-the-middle sort of deal would help (....wouldn't have it been awesome if those mechs were holding shields?) or a mobile HQ that isn't celestine. Conceptually I'd love some atalan jackal-esc bikes or sisters on horses, but I don't know if it's really a big missing part of the army.

But what is anyone really looking to cut from the lists?

I'd love to have the ability to cut Repentia and Retributors because I had a solid, comparable alternative to the problems they solve. I love those units, but every list I make seems to start with those as auto-picks because they're army defining in 9th. Sometimes it's even half my 2k point list in Rets, Repentia, and Rhinos.

They do the job so well, but there's no wiggle room in such a slim codex. I, for one, can't wait to see what the rules are for things like the warsuits, or the points cost on that tank in hopes that these items allow for effective alternative builds.

That is a valid point, having options for the sake of options. Though I wish some other armies like Quins would get some first.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Given the "War Hymns" line in the article and how they directly call her out as a Chaplain equivalent, I assume she'll have a mechanic similar to Litanies of Battle and Prayers to the Dark Gods (probably called War Hymns).

"War Hymns" is the name of the rule Preachers and Missionaries have that gives +1A. The cynic in me thinks that maybe they split the two off, Preachers buff only EBC, Dogmata buffs only Sisters. But hey, if that do that, maybe it comes with sweeping buffs for the EBC stuff?

 Amishprn86 wrote:
That is a valid point, having options for the sake of options. Though I wish some other armies like Quins would get some first.

I would agree - never thought I would have the pleasure of saying - Sisters have plenty of super new models (and even a few duds) - lets see some other ranges getting the same love!

 oomiestompa wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Given the "War Hymns" line in the article and how they directly call her out as a Chaplain equivalent, I assume she'll have a mechanic similar to Litanies of Battle and Prayers to the Dark Gods (probably called War Hymns).

"War Hymns" is the name of the rule Preachers and Missionaries have that gives +1A. The cynic in me thinks that maybe they split the two off, Preachers buff only EBC, Dogmata buffs only Sisters. But hey, if that do that, maybe it comes with sweeping buffs for the EBC stuff?

Good point, I forgot that's what the Priest aura is called.
If she is just a +1 A buff in power armour with a better melee weapon, that'd be a bit lame. Especially if your cynical side is right...

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 oomiestompa wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Given the "War Hymns" line in the article and how they directly call her out as a Chaplain equivalent, I assume she'll have a mechanic similar to Litanies of Battle and Prayers to the Dark Gods (probably called War Hymns).

"War Hymns" is the name of the rule Preachers and Missionaries have that gives +1A. The cynic in me thinks that maybe they split the two off, Preachers buff only EBC, Dogmata buffs only Sisters. But hey, if that do that, maybe it comes with sweeping buffs for the EBC stuff?

Good point, I forgot that's what the Priest aura is called.
If she is just a +1 A buff in power armour with a better melee weapon, that'd be a bit lame. Especially if your cynical side is right...

Meh, I dunno. I'm not against phasing out the preachers and EC. Plus, a cheap power armored beatstick giving out the buff could be fun.