Legends is truly the thing we feared.

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**skchsan**

Majority of the legends entries are poorly costed - meaning it would be in the tournament goers' best interest not to include them and not necessarilly events banning legends units.

I for one don't see events banning them in the near future.

**An Actual Englishman**

The primary unit that Orks lost is the Warboss in Mega Armour, which is irritating and utterly breaks any sense of established lore (why would the roughest, toughest Ork NOT wear the best armour Teef could buy?) but we kept KFF Meks (standard) and Biker Bosses, so I'd say it's a wash.

**LunarSol**

Roknar wrote:
They should at least have brought the rules in line with the current state if they're never gonna touch these units again. And in CSM case I'm really worried what that means for the future of daemonic mounts or lack thereof :(

I usually don't straighten out my garbage before I throw it in the trash.

**Polonius**

bananathug wrote:
Just got back into 40k with 8th edition so these are all models I bought/converted relying on 8th edition materials...

3x Auto-cannon+las cannon ven dreads (45$ just for the stupid FW auto-cannons)
DA libby on bike
DA master on bike
SW wolf lord on bike
SW libby on bike
5x wolf guard on bikes
Minny tiggy
Minny Shrike

So about 250$ (peanuts for the rough rider guys) removed in valid models + hours of conversion/painting (this hurts the most). For what gain? The game is already an unbalanced piece of gak, I doubt removing a couple options is going to help GW out (maybe they can buff marines more now?). And they wonder why people turn to recasters and pirate their terribly written rules...

Already salty about having to wait months for my boys to get rules so I can put them on the table (DA/SW/DW) without looking like the proverbial red-headed step child and now this.

I mean, this sucks, but I think most people had anticipated this when the codex did not include those options. 40k history is rich with conversions that lost rules, unfortunately.

**TheAvengingKnee**

I noticed a line added on: https://www.warhammer-community.com/legends/#age-of-sigmar note this address says age of signal but is also shown. When 40k is selected.

This means that Legends units are not designed for matched play

So they aren’t even just saying don’t use them in tournaments now.

**deviantduck**

On Signals today, Frontline announced no legends for LVO and stricter paint and base standards.

**Sterling191**

deviantduck wrote:
On Signals today, Frontline announced no legends for LVO and stricter paint and base standards.

Oh this is going to be delicious.

**Polonius**

TheAvengingKnee wrote:
I noticed a line added on: https://www.warhammer-community.com/legends/#age-of-sigmar note this address says age of signal but is also shown. When 40k is selected.

This means that Legends units are not designed for matched play

So they aren’t even just saying don’t use them in tournaments now.

the individual sheets say they are appropriate for matched play. AOS is different because they had some wonky issues with points early on.

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Sterling191 wrote:
deviantduck wrote:
On Signals today, Frontline announced no legends for LVO and stricter paint and base standards.

Oh this is going to be delicious.

Keep in mind that major tournaments are selling out. Stricter modelling rules were inevitable regardless.

And frankly... at a major competitive event, the only reason to use a Legends model is to exploit some sort of weird loophole, or build an army that wasn't really intended.

**deviantduck**

Polonius wrote:
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Sterling191 wrote:
deviantduck wrote:
On Signals today, Frontline announced no legends for LVO and stricter paint and base standards.

Oh this is going to be delicious.

Keep in mind that major tournaments are selling out. Stricter modelling rules were inevitable regardless.

And frankly... at a major competitive event, the only reason to use a Legends model is to exploit some sort of weird loophole, or build an army that wasn't really intended.

I'm looking forward to it, and I support it. No more awful looking armies.

**Bdrone**

OH BOY, so if i were to ever unbox my old sisters into the field, even moreso than before ill have to go base-extend all the things once that catches on amongst the tournaments, drifting down to the pick-up games, and so on...

**TheAvengingKnee**

deviantduck wrote:
Polonius wrote:
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Sterling191 wrote:
deviantduck wrote:
On Signals today, Frontline announced no legends for LVO and stricter paint and base standards.

Oh this is going to be delicious.

Keep in mind that major tournaments are selling out. Stricter modelling rules were inevitable regardless.

And frankly... at a major competitive event, the only reason to use a Legends model is to exploit some sort of weird loophole, or build an army that wasn't really intended.
I'm looking forward to it, and I support it. No more awful looking armies.

I am a terrible painter but the standards they presented don’t seem unreasonable, I could easily meet the requirements they put forth in that article.

**Sunny Side Up**

deviantduck wrote:
So... how long until ITC/ETC bans Legends?

ETC hasn't allowed index-options and Forge World for a long time. Forge World never, index not since 2017, maybe (?)

ITC is pretty free-form, I think. FLG said they won't use Legends for LVO, etc.., but I think you can run an ITC tournament with Legends without a problem, if you want. (similarly, you could always run an ITC tournament banning index, FW, Orks, whatever before just as easy).

**deviantduck**

Sunny Side Up wrote:
deviantduck wrote:
So... how long until ITC/ETC bans Legends?

ETC hasn't allowed index-options and Forge World for a long time. Forge World never, index not since 2017, maybe (?)

Neat. Except the forgeworld part.

**Gene St. Ealer**

I continue to be pissed about the Herald on Steed. 1. It's got a model in the kit and 2. It's actually a really good option to give the Herald aura on a fast platform. Now my choices are special characters, a foot herald (who will be outrun), and a Seeker/Exalted Seeker Herald, who is overkill and/or has a massive footprint. How lame!

**Roknar**

LunarSol wrote:
Roknar wrote:
They should at least have brought the rules in line with the current state if they're never gonna touch these units again. And in CSM case I'm really worried what that means for the future of daemonic mounts or lack thereof :(

I usually don't straighten out my garbage before I throw it in the trash.

oof, the truth can hurt.

**Not Online!!!**

Truth allways hurts.

Cue reality meme.

**AnomanderRake**

I'm amused that there's an entire "Inquisition" PDF just for the Null Rod.

**Gadzilla666**

deviantduck wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
deviantduck wrote:
So... how long until ITC/ETC bans Legends?

ETC hasn't allowed index-options and Forge World for a long time. Forge World never, index not since 2017, maybe (?)
Neat. Except the forgeworld part.

Remember resin>plastic and is magic.

That's why my 5 resin mark V csm always perform better than my plastic csm. They're MAGIC.

**Galef**

So they're no longer intended for Matched play, yet they list points values. The metric used solely for Matched play
*narrows eyes*

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**Not Online!!!**

Galef wrote:
So they're no longer intended for Matched play, yet they list points values. The metric used solely for Matched play
*narrows eyes*

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Indeed strange.
As if they were minimalisticly done.

**Lord Damocles**

AnomanderRake wrote:
I'm amused that there's an entire "Inquisition" PDF just for the Null Rod.

...which never even had a model!

**Platuan4th**

Not Online!!! wrote:
Truth allways hurts.

Cue reality meme.

Better than queuing Stelek.

**Not Online!!!**

Platuan4th wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Truth allways hurts.

Cue reality meme.

Better than queuing Stelek.

I had no idea what that one meant.
I looked it up.

Not dissapointed

**Inquisitor Lord Katherine**

Bdrone wrote:
OH BOY, so if i were to ever unbox my old sisters into the field, even moreso than before ill have to go base-extend all the things once that catches on amongst the tournaments, drifting down to the pick-up games, and so on...

I've been doing just that.

**warmaster21**

BrianDavion wrote:
warmaster21 wrote:
No cannoness veridian

codex sisters of battle specificly says just use her a s a canonness with a bolt pistol and power sword

And if my <insert> codex told me to use <insert random named character who currently does or does not have rules> as a generic HQ choice i would be just as fethed off.

**Sterling191**

Polonius wrote:

And frankly... at a major competitive event, the only reason to use a Legends model is to exploit some sort of weird loophole, or build an army that wasn't really intended.

A player builds an army from a list of sources from the people who created the game...and that army wasnt intended to be played?

The bs is strong with this one.

**Grimskul**

An Actual Englishman wrote:
The primary unit that Orks lost is the Warboss in Mega Armour, which is irritating and utterly breaks any sense of established lore (why would the roughest, toughest Ork NOT wear the best armour Teef could buy?) but we kept KFF Meks (standard) and Biker Bosses, so I'd say it's a wash.

Because apparently armour is a commodity that only marines have access to :I It wouldn't surprise me that the BLOODY MAGPIES (Blood Ravens) looted them all.

**flandarz**

Sterling191 wrote:
Polonius wrote:

And frankly... at a major competitive event, the only reason to use a Legends model is to exploit some sort of weird loophole, or build an army that wasn't really intended.

A player builds an army from a list of sources from the people who created the game...and that army wasnt intended to be played?

The bs is strong with this one.

You act like GW has never said "there were some unintended consequences of this unit/rule interaction that some players took advantage of to gain an unfair advantage".

**Karol**

So my only long range weapons are two dreads with two autocannons each, Does this mean they are no longer legal? Because if yes, this is really stupid.

**Bdrone**

Grimskul wrote:
An Actual Englishman wrote:
The primary unit that Orks lost is the Warboss in Mega Armour, which is irritating and utterly breaks any sense of established lore (why would the roughest, toughest Ork NOT wear the best armour Teef could buy?) but we kept KFF Meks (standard) and Biker Bosses, so I'd say it's a wash.

Because apparently armour is a commodity that only marines have access to :I It wouldn't surprise me that the BLOODY MAGPIES (Blood Ravens) looted them all.

... so THATS where all my bolter variants, the jetpack i ordered, and the generic mega pulpit ran off to for my canoness, who is one of the highest ranking slots in the ministorum...

...im almost willing to crusade alongside orks to get the shiny stuff back.