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Originally posted by Penddraig, then forwarded first by the Age of Darkness Podcast on their Facebook page and then by Berne here on B&C.

Penddraig:

The GW offices at Warhammer World are currently having a massive extension added. As well as new production facilities and warehouse space there is also more room for the various design studios. The plan is once this is constructed, each of the design studios (main GW, Specialist Games, Age of Darkness and Old World) will have more space for the various teams.

This also means that each team will be expanding considerably over the next two years. This will include new rules writers (2 more for Age of Darkness for example) and miniature designers. As part of the re-structuring, Andy Hoare (ex-Heresy rules writer and head of Specialist Games) is now manager of the Specialist Games Studio and the Age of Darkness studio. This role is extremely new so Andy has lots of ideas but nothing has been put into action yet. From personal experience, Andy is a great bloke who has a lot of experience within the hobby; a clear vision of where the company and the game systems can go and also communicates clearly about what is happening (within the usual limits of GW policy).

Future hopes and plans
After a long chat with the Forge World team it’s clear that the new re-structuring is still in early days and we aren’t likely to see much change as customers for the foreseeable future.

However, the team is aware of the main community concerns and hopes. The two key ones they mentioned are:
* A cheap introduction for new players into the 30k games set
* More plastic kits

Neither of these are confirmed as in production or development but the fact that the team are having conversations about these is positive. The team also discussed that by expanding the number of writers, it would be hoped that they could release more than one Heresy-related book a year. Once again, this is future developments so only Book 10 is in current development due to the current size of the team.

One final point that we discussed in a jokey manner was the ‘Heresy is dead’ mindset. It was mentioned that currently Heresy is still producing very healthy sales figures alongside other Specialist Games and the successes of all the games is allowing the company to invest heavily into new facilities and staff. One member of the team stated that there are so many long-plans for the Heresy that they expect that within two years, “everyone will be playing Heresy”.

Alan Bligh's death and the delays with the warehouse / office expansion have messed their production schedule up. I agree there needs to be another 'cheap' plastic box, but there also needs to be cheaper books - specifically the army lists.

My big wonder now is are they going to end it with the Battle of Terra and not run into The Scouring, as originally planned.

beast_gts wrote:
Alan Bligh's death and the delays with the warehouse / office expansion have messed their production schedule up. I agree there needs to be another 'cheap' plastic box, but there also needs to be cheaper books - specifically the army lists.

My big wonder now is are they going to end it with the Battle of Terra and not run into The Scouring, as originally planned.

I suspect it'll depend on how much money and intreast is in the HH material once they hit seige of terra

Glad to hear the Ded Gaem Brigade are talking nonsense as per.

That said, at this point I only really want to hear one thing from the AoD team, and that's when they're going to extract thumb from bum and get the sodding campaign books back in stock, ideally in hardback with the same size, format, materials, and quality as the existing ones, or at the very least if they have to switch to softbacks that they will be doing all of them in that format.

When this new facility expansion comes on line it might take them a couple of years to take full advantage of it in terms of plastic production and new team members producing new content, but they can mark out a spot in the expanded warehouse for new print runs of the existing books immediately, and should do so.

"Everyone will be playing Heresy". Sounds like updating the rules to bring it in line with 8th edition.

Nah. No reason to turn hh into inferior ruleset. Fw isn't interested in killing good rules like thap

I wonder how a Starter Set would look. I think about a bigger form of Start Collecting Box but with Rules and Accesories, not a two Player Starter?

Content could be 20 Tactitcal Marines, 5 Terminators, a new Multi-Part Contemptor Dreadnought and a new Multi-Part Captain/Centurion. Those could be exists in different Versions for the main Legions with Shoulder Parts and Legio specific Weapons and Equipment. Everyone culd choice the Legion he wants to play. Otherwise there could be a Decal Sheet with Icons for all 18 Legions.

A new starter could be a really good time to embiggen Heresy Marines and make everyone buy their armies all over again.

Especially if we're not going to see any of these new developments for another few years. After Specialist Games were rolled out with generous plastic kits and even bringing back the Old World in one way or another, I have a hard time believing Horus Heresy will remain so heavily resin focused. And if they're making new plastic Marines for it, there may not be much of a sense of commitment to continuity on GW's part.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
"Everyone will be playing Heresy". Sounds like updating the rules to bring it in line with 8th edition.

Sounds like an over-exaggeration for 'it's going to be really popular' rather than any comment about rulesets.

Maybe we'll finally see some plastic mk VI marines. Would be nice to see. Oh, and maybe we'll finally get fires of Cyraxis

I would like to see HH rules in both 8th and continuing in 7th. I have two friends who play HH and like 7th, but they know about a half a dozen more who prefer 8th. So...both?

And a Start Collecting set would be grand. MK IV and MKII would be my votes. I like the clunky aesthetic of the older armor.

GW, five years from now:

"The demand for new gene-seed led to most Legions using slightly inferior stock, meaning the Space Marines were smaller, and some would say, less capable then their Primaris brethren. This required all new types of arms and equipment to properly kit out the Space Marines. These Space Marines served as the line troops of many Legions, while the more capable Primaris Space Marines formed the vanguard and elite units of the Legions. It has been postulated by the sages of Terra that these smaller Space Marines were more open to the deprivations of Chaos. Indeed, the Heretic Legions, cut off from the Primaris Gene Stocks of Terra continued to use the inferior gene seed throughout the Heresy and after."

Who doesn't like a little retcon once in a while, eh? LOL

Careful there. Didn't Black Library threaten to tell us "what really happened" at the climax of the Siege of Terra? You never know what GW might do.

That said, with the large number of Heresy novels and, if I gathered this correctly, the foundation of Cawl's Primaris program being in the wake of the Horus Heresy (do correct me if I got this wrong, please) I'd expect the Heresy (and possibly the Siege) itself to stay intact but the aftermath getting some Primaris action.

Insurgency Walker wrote:"Everyone will be playing Heresy". Sounds like updating the rules to bring it in line with 8th edition.

This would force me to finish my 30k Salamanders. I already own a decent amount of AOD units but I bought them based on how they look and that I could get more mileage out of them in 40k as well.

Most 40k (astartes) players in my area wouldn't mind picking up 30k as well if it wasn't for 7th ed rules.

 Geifer wrote:
That said, with the large number of Heresy novels and, if I gathered this correctly, the foundation of Cawl's Primaris program being in the wake of the Horus Heresy (do correct me if I got this wrong, please) I'd expect the Heresy (and possibly the Siege) itself to stay intact but the aftermath getting some Primaris action.

I'd imagine another HH game like Betrayal at Calth or the Burning of Prospero is in order. I want my plastic Beakie squads damnit!

Interesting that they use “Age of Darkness” and not Horus Heresy. Maybe there is plans for the Heresy follow up into the Scouring. Which would make sense as it ends the last of the characters. If we’re really lucky they might make some non-primaris marine campaigns.

I’m sorry but, no matter how much people try to talk up HH, I refuse to regard it as being in a healthy state as long as there are armies which have never been finished and armies with units out of production.

Ok so despite me taking the piss on HH i actually do like it. it just need some stuff to make it succeed i think
1: Infinitely simpler rules access.
When it was 7th edition, it was east for someone who play 40k to get into HH easier because it removed one more book to buy.
if i wanna get into HH i gotta buy so much. the rule book, the book that has my legion, the book that has my legion and all the legion units.
my idea is to go 100% digital. and have simple, 20$ bundles of your legion rules. wanna play alpha legion? boom 20$ gets you its Rites rule and units. This makes it so you dont have to track down rules. basically make it easiers
2: Start Collecting horus heresy. Maybe they can make a Mk3 and mk4 preator kit and have like 2 of the Start collectings
the Mk4 will have the Mk4 and the Tartaros and the mk3 will have the others.
Boom, Horus heresy exploded when the 2 boxsets came out but then petered off.
3: I dont have a 3rd idea.....but i might.

I want to see them do mk 2 crusader armor, since that offering no longer exists in resin. And early in the heresy that was the most common armor set, especially on istvaan etc. Mk III is just an up armored version for assaults/boarding actions. Not sure why they decided to do that set instead. If they could work that into a new start collecting box that would be great.

If they release another plastic Heresy set they'll have to upscale the marines to be proportionate to Primaris. Marinelets won't sell anymore, at least not in numbers.

JWBS wrote:
If they release another plastic Heresy set they'll have to upscale the marines to be proportionate to Primaris. Marinelets won't sell anymore, at least not in numbers.

That, or imagine this - people are fine with the HH marines being the size they are, since they look fine in that game and setting?

another plastic heresy box'd be great. those should also sell really well because 40k players will buy it too, calath was an AMAZING deal even if you never played HH

MkII Crusader armor in plastic would be huge for me.

 Crazyterran wrote:

JWBS wrote:
If they release another plastic Heresy set they'll have to upscale the marines to be proportionate to Primaris. Marinelets won't sell anymore, at least not in numbers.

That, or imagine this - people are fine with the HH marines being the size they are, since they look fine in that game and setting?

Sure some people are. But big marines will clearly have a far wider appeal. Chaos marines are big now. Sisters are big. Loyalist marines are now big. Some people won't mind marinelets, far more people won't have them.

JWBS wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

JWBS wrote:
If they release another plastic Heresy set they'll have to upscale the marines to be proportionate to Primaris. Marinelets won't sell anymore, at least not in numbers.

That, or imagine this - people are fine with the HH marines being the size they are, since they look fine in that game and setting?

Sure some people are. But big marines will clearly have a far wider appeal. Chaos marines are big now. Sisters are big. Loyalist marines are now big. Some people won't mind marinelets, far more people won't have them.

We definitely don’t need this. It’s bad enough for me to figure out how to fit Primaris marines into my 40k list, and now you want me to fit them into a 30k list with little to no background why they are there.

JWBS wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

JWBS wrote:
If they release another plastic Heresy set they'll have to upscale the marines to be proportionate to Primaris. Marinelets won't sell anymore, at least not in numbers.

That, or imagine this - people are fine with the HH marines being the size they are, since they look fine in that game and setting?

Sure some people are. But big marines will clearly have a far wider appeal. Chaos marines are big now. Sisters are big. Loyalist marines are now big. Some people won't mind marinelets, far more people won't have them.

people have been fine withg "marinelets" for ages, and they won't change the HH marines for the same reason it took GW so long to do so..

UPGRADE KITS. forge world produces a ton of legion upgrade kits, resized marines will be incompatable with them.

JWBS wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

JWBS wrote:
If they release another plastic Heresy set they'll have to upscale the marines to be proportionate to Primaris. Marinelets won't sell anymore, at least not in numbers.

That, or imagine this - people are fine with the HH marines being the size they are, since they look fine in that game and setting?

Sure some people are. But big marines will clearly have a far wider appeal. Chaos marines are big now. Sisters are big. Loyalist marines are now big. Some people won't mind marinelets, far more people won't have them.

It's all but a guarantee that they will reboot with the new size. People will want to crossplay with their marines. Expect to see Primaris retconned into the HH setting within the next decade.

 Togusa wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

JWBS wrote:
If they release another plastic Heresy set they'll have to upscale the marines to be proportionate to Primaris. Marinelets won't sell anymore, at least not in numbers.

That, or imagine this - people are fine with the HH marines being the size they are, since they look fine in that game and setting?

Sure some people are. But big marines will clearly have a far wider appeal. Chaos marines are big now. Sisters are big. Loyalist marines are now big. Some people won't mind marinelets, far more people won't have them.

It's all but a guarantee that they will reboot with the new size. People will want to crossplay with their marines. Expect to see Primaris retconned into the HH setting within the next decade.

Are Razorbacks in the Heresy era lists?

 Togusa wrote:
It's all but a guarantee that they will reboot with the new size. People will want to crossplay with their marines. Expect to see Primaris retconned into the HH setting within the next decade.

I'd assume the next unannounced book myself.

At this point it's a pretty simple choice, if you want HH to have a future it's going to get dragged in the direction everything else is going. If you want it to stay as is, it'll die. The projects main driver has died, without him the project's direction will change, and when marines are facing such significant changes in 40k, 30k is either catching up or going by the wayside permanently.

Barring someone who really, really likes squatting marines taking over the project and further fragmenting the lines of space marines available to the point of complete irrelevance to 40k at large. And even now I don't see business side of GW letting that go. Not when they could make money selling you an entire new army of slightly larger marines. Heck, primaris are already using the excuse of imitating HH load outs.